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  • ormond lad
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    Leagues started today
    Interesting to see Willie Staunton playing for Kilfeacle.

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  • Honlimerick
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    Perhaps participation levels are falling but structures dont help it.
    Long distance only really factor for some clubs.
    Really needs open forums for people to discuss these issues with those in committees and reps from clubs both players and committee people as well as other stake holders-refs etc to help things get better
    i see the fixtures are out, kicking off 29th September. with challenge cup on 20th October, at least teams will find some form before first cup game. AIB cup draw done also - tough draw for Munster clubs ,kilfeacle at home to wicklow, richmond at home to Grosvenor, NCW away to Dromore, and Crosshaven away to Instonians. Hopefully we will see Saturday night games more often - once referees are available.
    is it clubs decision or the branch? Clubs needs to push this to get crowds and generate interest levels.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Grace of God View Post
    I guess the question really should be what seems to be the problem you trying to address. We probably all have a slightly different perception of what is the issue. It could be that participation levels in Junior Rugby are falling or teams are struggling to manage the long distances (costs and getting players off work) or that Junior Club rugby is in decline in general.

    There is so much good work going on in so many clubs on a weekly basis that the reality of the problem needs to be heard within the management of the branch and hopefully they can design structures to support the clubs. Sometimes we tend to get caught up in silver bullet solutions rather than seeing that a strategy is needed with multiple solutions that are focused on helping the clubs create sustainable Junior Rugby.
    Perhaps participation levels are falling but structures dont help it.
    Long distance only really factor for some clubs.
    Really needs open forums for people to discuss these issues with those in committees and reps from clubs both players and committee people as well as other stake holders-refs etc to help things get better

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  • Grace of God
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    I guess the question really should be what seems to be the problem you trying to address. We probably all have a slightly different perception of what is the issue. It could be that participation levels in Junior Rugby are falling or teams are struggling to manage the long distances (costs and getting players off work) or that Junior Club rugby is in decline in general.

    There is so much good work going on in so many clubs on a weekly basis that the reality of the problem needs to be heard within the management of the branch and hopefully they can design structures to support the clubs. Sometimes we tend to get caught up in silver bullet solutions rather than seeing that a strategy is needed with multiple solutions that are focused on helping the clubs create sustainable Junior Rugby.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Grace of God View Post
    The Munster Branch had sent a survey around last year to see what people thoughts were on a number of issues. Didn't see any feedback on it (but may have come back to higher ups in the clubs). One of the questions related to when to play Rugby. If I remember correctly the options were something like Mid Week, Friday Night, Saturday & Sunday (open to correction on that one)
    I think when it had been raised in previous years the issue of a lack of referees kept any change off the agenda
    lack of referees may be a factor but more games could be played Saturday nights and you have refs doing TJ earlier in day before reffing a junior game in evening. works well in other provinces


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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by donjuan View Post
    was their an attempt to change junior rugby to Saturday's in Munster?
    Would senior clubs have an input in this? and if so should they?
    I dont see why Senior clubs would have an input and it could affect them as would reduce chances of getting dual status in some cases
    Would you like a change to saturdays as i think it would help. but think number of teams in divisions is a greater issue

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  • Grace of God
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    The Munster Branch had sent a survey around last year to see what people thoughts were on a number of issues. Didn't see any feedback on it (but may have come back to higher ups in the clubs). One of the questions related to when to play Rugby. If I remember correctly the options were something like Mid Week, Friday Night, Saturday & Sunday (open to correction on that one)
    I think when it had been raised in previous years the issue of a lack of referees kept any change off the agenda

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  • donjuan
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    was their an attempt to change junior rugby to Saturday's in Munster?
    Would senior clubs have an input in this? and if so should they?

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  • LimerickRugbyFan
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    Highfield won junior cup after extra time against Con. 23-23. Most tries ruling
    Great result for highfield! Very impressive what's going on there!

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  • ormond lad
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    Highfield won junior cup after extra time against Con. 23-23. Most tries ruling

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  • buster
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    Originally posted by Crescent boy 2 View Post
    Think ASR old boys would be better served staying in J2 for another season at least to allow them to consolidate themselves as a club before going up to the lower divisions of J1.
    I’ve heard that’s their plan.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Crescent boy 2 View Post
    Think ASR old boys would be better served staying in J2 for another season at least to allow them to consolidate themselves as a club before going up to the lower divisions of J1.
    would agree a lot with that. Theyre only in place a season. Settle on player base and everything else before moving up the grade

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  • Crescent boy 2
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    Think ASR old boys would be better served staying in J2 for another season at least to allow them to consolidate themselves as a club before going up to the lower divisions of J1.

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  • Grace of God
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    Totally agree. Some teams at the bottom of the divisions are only competing to survive (no offence meant). Small groups will make them way more competitive.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Grace of God View Post
    In the other province the Junior Leagues are based on the 1A/1B/2A/2B model with 8 teams in each group playing home and away. Top Team in 1A plays Top 1B to decide league winner etc. We should be looking at something similar. 39 junior teams at present, if Ard Scoil come up or anybody else that would be 40. 5 groups of 8.

    For a lot of teams the journeys across the province on the Sunday make it difficult to field and maintain interest. A bit of geographical proximity with these groupings would be of benefit, that would have to be teased out of course and one or two teams might be worse off. Still worth exploring as I not sure the status quo is exactly inspiring anybody.
    Other provinces dont have 1A/1B model and top 1A side plays top 1B side.
    In Connacht the 3 junior leagues are divisions 1A/B/C which are divisions 1 to C and Leinster division 1B is division2, 2A is division 3.
    But we should if we can get 4 groups of 8 and group of 7 even if ard scoil/anyone else doesnt come up. Would allow for more competitive leagues and make rugby better IMO

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