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    Originally posted by brightspark View Post
    “They find a club to play for.......” that tells me you don’t really understand club rugby, certainly not club rugby in limerick You do realize kids are proud to play for their club? Or should beggars not be choosers!
    Answer the question from my previous post?
    Its not simply possible for all the clubs and schools to play all through the season every week. The playing pool isnt there. I completely understand club rugby and club rugby in Limerick. Kids should be proud to play for their club but with the way schools panel players and other reasons a single club wont be able to field every season so you there must be willingness to move club
    and there has been significant movement between clubs in Limerick quite a bit at adult level so pride in ones club shouldnt be the factor you are making it to be when so often so many limerick clubs have struggled to field at some age grades.
    If the kids in the A schools just play there for September to February(move schools cup to earlier in season) and march/april/may left to clubs then where's the problem? If clubs feel they can field without guys from those A schools then they can

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      One reason players cant move to another club is that transfers are not allowed any more between the ages of 13 and 18 except in very exceptional circumstances decided by a non elected committee in private. If the schools were made to stick to the agreed 28 player panels there are enough players left over for clubs to field teams and provide meaningful rugby for all the players
      The schools would not be content to release the players back after their cups specially when you see them running so called development games after the cups when they were supposed to be releasing players back for the open cups

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        Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
        They find a club to play for. How many schools after Crescent, ASR, Castletroy, Munchins is there and how many players would be left after those in the 4 named schools are taken away?
        If not in those schools there isnt problems with eligibility and waiting for panels to be named and all mess of that.
        As it stands right now , there are only 2 Secondary schools in Limerick city that do not play Rugby at A or B standard (Sexton St and the Gaelscoil) so the city clubs at U16/U18 are left with almost no-one to choose from as the schools hold on to virtually every player way beyond the supposed 28 play squad.

        Yes , it's a problem unique to Limerick , but that doesn't make it less of a problem..

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          Originally posted by quin_dub View Post

          As it stands right now , there are only 2 Secondary schools in Limerick city that do not play Rugby at A or B standard (Sexton St and the Gaelscoil) so the city clubs at U16/U18 are left with almost no-one to choose from as the schools hold on to virtually every player way beyond the supposed 28 play squad.

          Yes , it's a problem unique to Limerick , but that doesn't make it less of a problem..
          If the schools were able to use beyond the 28 players and have proper junior/senior seconds and even thirds then where would the issue be?
          Yes the clubs by and large wouldnt be able to field teams in the Munster phase 1/2 leagues but if the schools had a freer reign and no arguments every year about player releases and we had then had clubs able to use any players in a short competition in March/April/May and even february as schools are knocked out of the cups then where is the problem?
          This should be about kids playing rugby not where they play/who they play for.

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            Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
            If the schools were able to use beyond the 28 players and have proper junior/senior seconds and even thirds then where would the issue be?
            Yes the clubs by and large wouldnt be able to field teams in the Munster phase 1/2 leagues but if the schools had a freer reign and no arguments every year about player releases and we had then had clubs able to use any players in a short competition in March/April/May and even february as schools are knocked out of the cups then where is the problem?
            This should be about kids playing rugby not where they play/who they play for.
            You are correct , it would be much less of a problem.. but that's not what happens in reality. They are not running meaningful games for 2nds/3rds teams.

            The schools will claim to be giving the players rugby and log training sessions as games because they played a 15 minute match at the end of a session to bolster their match stats among other things.

            If everybody was open and honest and came to the table with the simple goal of providing as much rugby to as many players as possible then this might be able to get sorted but sadly that's not what happens.

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              Not helped by a club like Ennis recruiting players from Limerick, at least 2 players moved to them at U16's this season, despite Ennis already having 40 players on their books at U16's and only fielding 1 team. Must be hard on those Ennis players who've played with them from mini's up only to lose out to a recruited player. Game time stats for some of those players must be v. low.
              Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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                Originally posted by Sulla View Post
                Not helped by a club like Ennis recruiting players from Limerick, at least 2 players moved to them at U16's this season, despite Ennis already having 40 players on their books at U16's and only fielding 1 team. Must be hard on those Ennis players who've played with them from mini's up only to lose out to a recruited player. Game time stats for some of those players must be v. low.
                Interesting. In light of the recent loan debacle I wonder how they got that paperwork approved

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                  Originally posted by Sulla View Post
                  Not helped by a club like Ennis recruiting players from Limerick, at least 2 players moved to them at U16's this season, despite Ennis already having 40 players on their books at U16's and only fielding 1 team. Must be hard on those Ennis players who've played with them from mini's up only to lose out to a recruited player. Game time stats for some of those players must be v. low.
                  Sulla, your ignorance about matters in Ennis is breathtaking so in the interest of balance and accuracy for other posters on the site, let me sprinkle some facts in amongst your misguided ravings.
                  • 3 players have come to us on loan this season. 2 kids came from a club in east Clare not fielding at the grade and the other kid came from a club in Limerick struggling to get a team out due to the schools issue. The same kid actually lives very close to Ennis but that's by the by.
                  • Each of the kids approached us to join and each of the clubs involved encouraged the loan once discussions had taken place between all parties
                  • We have recruited in the off season - from gaelic football teams in the locality! This has offset departures from last years panel. Perhaps other clubs should take a leaf from our book in this regard instead of whingeing about the injustice of everything
                  • We now have a panel of 27. Of that 27, active numbers at training are static at about 23/24 on a given night
                  • Whilst your concern about our fringe players getting game time is much appreciated, the facts on the ground as highlighted above don't bear out your concerns.
                  • The two age grades where we have large numbers (18's and 14's) are fielding two teams in their respective competitions. The second team in each age grade is finding the going extremely tough and they have been on the receiving end of heavy defeats to date. They are getting rugby but the cost to confidence may be too high and, ironically, we could end up losing players due to our desire to give them meaningful game time.
                  Keep posting kid but try and stay factual in future.

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                    two points form above post from dalcassian23:
                    1. don't take a swipe at other clubs regarding recruitment from GAA etc. (no club is whiter than white ). it diminishes your argument.
                    2. maybe a lesson here - ennis should have fielded two balanced teams into u14 at least (u18 is a different matter) like Shannon have done and what other clubs have tried to do. the A team at u14 are probably in with a decent shout of winning the league but the B team are shipping 60-70 points per game. two balanced competitive teams could have worked. indeed Shannon would probably ran away with the u13 league last season if they went A & B, they didn't and both teams went extremely well. maybe can be changed for u14 cup if you want to keep those "B" players.

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                      Originally posted by dalcassian23 View Post

                      Sulla, your ignorance about matters in Ennis is breathtaking so in the interest of balance and accuracy for other posters on the site, let me sprinkle some facts in amongst your misguided ravings.
                      • 3 players have come to us on loan this season. 2 kids came from a club in east Clare not fielding at the grade and the other kid came from a club in Limerick struggling to get a team out due to the schools issue. The same kid actually lives very close to Ennis but that's by the by.
                      • Each of the kids approached us to join and each of the clubs involved encouraged the loan once discussions had taken place between all parties
                      • We have recruited in the off season - from gaelic football teams in the locality! This has offset departures from last years panel. Perhaps other clubs should take a leaf from our book in this regard instead of whingeing about the injustice of everything
                      • We now have a panel of 27. Of that 27, active numbers at training are static at about 23/24 on a given night
                      • Whilst your concern about our fringe players getting game time is much appreciated, the facts on the ground as highlighted above don't bear out your concerns.
                      • The two age grades where we have large numbers (18's and 14's) are fielding two teams in their respective competitions. The second team in each age grade is finding the going extremely tough and they have been on the receiving end of heavy defeats to date. They are getting rugby but the cost to confidence may be too high and, ironically, we could end up losing players due to our desire to give them meaningful game time.
                      Keep posting kid but try and stay factual in future.
                      State what you like.
                      Must have touched a nerve.

                      I stand by my statements.
                      Last edited by Sulla; 30th-October-2018, 21:21.
                      Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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                        I have to say that some years ago when I was involved in coaching with one the the senior clubs in the city and the schools were causing problems for us regarding players we went into the county and shamelessly recruited GAA players and did quite well out of it. I have no problem with Ennis or any other club recruiting players as long as they stay strictly inside the rules laid down for us all

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                          I’m well away from being involved in any of this anymore- but am grateful for the information about the realities now. reading the posts it’s hard to escape the conclusion that some group without vested interests, but with the backing of branch and Munster, need to knock heads together and with all sides develop a plan that is in the interests of the game, and the lads who do, and might, play it.

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                            Originally posted by quin_dub View Post

                            You are correct , it would be much less of a problem.. but that's not what happens in reality. They are not running meaningful games for 2nds/3rds teams.

                            The schools will claim to be giving the players rugby and log training sessions as games because they played a 15 minute match at the end of a session to bolster their match stats among other things.

                            If everybody was open and honest and came to the table with the simple goal of providing as much rugby to as many players as possible then this might be able to get sorted but sadly that's not what happens.
                            But how can the schools get meaningful number of games for 2nds when there tug and war for players with clubs?
                            The schools do sometimes play 2nds games but need be encouraged to do more. Im certain when playing any of the Leinster, Ulster schools with bigger playing numbers theyd easily bring another squad to play and it does happen enough..

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                              There is no tug of war with clubs for players , the schools generally just tell any students that play rugby they are not to play or train with their clubs no matter how far down the pecking order they are in the schools set up. There would be nothing wrong with club players who attend a school playing in friendly matches against other schools and in fact clubs would welcome the extra training the players would be getting. However using players as tackle bag holders for the first team and denying them the right to play with their clubs at the weekend does nothing for the development of players for the future

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