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  • Omerta
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    Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
    Well, Henshaw's not a very good 12. He's a big lad doing a job.

    No idea whether Ringrose is better option or not. Personally I'd like to see them both playing in their best position: 13.
    Whether Henshaw is a 12 or 13 is irrelevant really. The point now is that he is by a fair distance the best 12 in the country, hence his Lions selection, and fella's like Marshell, Scannell, Stuart Mc are a long way off suggesting that they are ever going to hold down an international jersey, let alone get a Lions call-up. It's hardly worthwhile dropping either of Ireland's two outstanding young talents to try out different options at 12. That's the 2019 WC centre pairing, injury permitting.

    If Joe Schmidt thought Ireland would get more from Henshaw and Ringrose with their roles reversed, then he'd do it, no reason not to. He cant play both at 13. Maybe Aki will add some options to the mix.

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  • Munsterboy
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    Originally posted by whimpersnap View Post
    Henshaw is a better 12 than Ringrose and Ringrose is a better 13 than Henshaw. I assume that's the selection criteria.
    Well, Henshaw's not a very good 12. He's a big lad doing a job.

    No idea whether Ringrose is better option or not. Personally I'd like to see them both playing in their best position: 13.

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  • whimpersnap
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    Henshaw is a better 12 than Ringrose and Ringrose is a better 13 than Henshaw. I assume that's the selection criteria.

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  • Daithi
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    Originally posted by Spiffy View Post
    Would agree with all that. There is another interesting option - Experiment with Ringrose (12)/ Henshaw (13). Ringrose did get a run at 12 in one of his early caps and actually did well (was it against NZ?) though everyone thought Joe Schmidt was mad at the time. 12's certainly don't have to be be boshers. Europe's best 12 at the moment is Fofana - a runner with speed and footwork, rather than a heavyweight bosher.
    Don't know how much longer Sexton will hold down the Ireland 10 shirt, but I've always thought Paddy Jackson might have the makings of a good ball playing 12 with his footballing skills, speed and decent defence.
    hmmm , i can't agree with a lot of that Spiffy. Sure Fofana has some speed and great footballing skills, but he also has serious, serious power and packs a huge punch. Just looking at him, his power to weight ratio looks similar to BOD in his prime i.e. stratospheric for his height and weight.

    also young Ringrose is undoubtedly a very fine player going forward, but he is still lacking power IMHO and too regularly gets steamrolled still in midfield, and probably needs another preseason or 2 to reach parity with most (or any) international centres.

    Jackson at 12 , yeah maybe, a fine distributor, footballer and decent tackler for a 10, but again would he have the power &/or defence required of a 12 at international level!?

    ..... as Scotty may have said once or twice 'not so sure there captain..... I canno give you no more power'

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  • Munsterboy
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    Originally posted by Spiffy View Post
    Would agree with all that. There is another interesting option - Experiment with Ringrose (12)/ Henshaw (13). Ringrose did get a run at 12 in one of his early caps and actually did well (was it against NZ?) though everyone thought Joe Schmidt was mad at the time. 12's certainly don't have to be be boshers. Europe's best 12 at the moment is Fofana - a runner with speed and footwork, rather than a heavyweight bosher.
    Don't know how much longer Sexton will hold down the Ireland 10 shirt, but I've always thought Paddy Jackson might have the makings of a good ball playing 12 with his footballing skills, speed and decent defence.
    Couldn't hurt to try a few things alright. Would like to see if Ringrose has the distribution skills for IC.

    If there's one thing the likes of the Scarlets, Glasgow, Connacht and the Lions have shown it's that, unless you have a pack that can steamroll all-comers, you need guys in midfield who can get the ball wide quickly and accurately.

    Jackson has all the skills but think he's too valuable a 10 to convert at this stage. There are others about the place though.

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  • Spiffy
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    Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
    And moving him to 12. He's truly D'Arcy 2.0: made his name as an exciting 13 who could also play back three. Converted to a boshing IC to get him on the pitch alongside the pre-ordained superstar at OC.

    Why can't we consider having two contrasting options at OC and focus on developing the likes of Scannell, Marshall, Olding, Aki (if he declares) and whoever else puts their hand up for 12.

    No hope of that since Leinster have nobody to replace him.
    Would agree with all that. There is another interesting option - Experiment with Ringrose (12)/ Henshaw (13). Ringrose did get a run at 12 in one of his early caps and actually did well (was it against NZ?) though everyone thought Joe Schmidt was mad at the time. 12's certainly don't have to be be boshers. Europe's best 12 at the moment is Fofana - a runner with speed and footwork, rather than a heavyweight bosher.
    Don't know how much longer Sexton will hold down the Ireland 10 shirt, but I've always thought Paddy Jackson might have the makings of a good ball playing 12 with his footballing skills, speed and decent defence.

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  • Oldschoolsocks
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    Originally posted by Daithi View Post
    That's a pity. May I suggest that if you used your other hand for self love activities, which you so obviously do alot of, that your wrist would heal that much quicker.

    Also you wouldn't lose so much weight so it should be a double whammy for you really .
    Stay classy...

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  • Munsterboy
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    Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
    That could be down to coaches turning him into a battering ram.


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    And moving him to 12. He's truly D'Arcy 2.0: made his name as an exciting 13 who could also play back three. Converted to a boshing IC to get him on the pitch alongside the pre-ordained superstar at OC.

    Why can't we consider having two contrasting options at OC and focus on developing the likes of Scannell, Marshall, Olding, Aki (if he declares) and whoever else puts their hand up for 12.

    No hope of that since Leinster have nobody to replace him.

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  • the plastic paddy
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    Originally posted by Spiffy View Post
    I'm sure he can keep himself fit without excessive weight lifting, especially since he's a back. Probably too much emphasis on gym work over ball skills these days anyway. E.g. - The enlarged version of Robie Henshaw does not quite seem the player he was before bulk up.
    That could be down to coaches turning him into a battering ram.


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  • Spiffy
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    Originally posted by Daithi View Post
    Thanks for that. Jeez both of those injuries sound like they will seriously disrupt his pre season training, which as any pro will tell you is the most important training you do all y year. As oss points out above(all joking aside) bench pressing with his wrist and squats with his tendon will be seriously hampered for starters.
    I'm sure he can keep himself fit without excessive weight lifting, especially since he's a back. Probably too much emphasis on gym work over ball skills these days anyway. E.g. - The enlarged version of Robie Henshaw does not quite seem the player he was before bulk up.

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  • Daithi
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    Thanks for that. Jeez both of those injuries sound like they will seriously disrupt his pre season training, which as any pro will tell you is the most important training you do all y year. As oss points out above(all joking aside) bench pressing with his wrist and squats with his tendon will be seriously hampered for starters.

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  • Daithi
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    Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post
    as a player that struggles to put on and maintain weight this represents significant challenge for him. I broke my wrist 10 weeks ago and still cannot press or bench press both good mass gaining exercises.
    That's a pity. May I suggest that if you used your other hand for self love activities, which you so obviously do alot of, that your wrist would heal that much quicker.

    Also you wouldn't lose so much weight so it should be a double whammy for you really .

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  • james_a
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    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/r...final-13358392

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  • Oldschoolsocks
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    Originally posted by Daithi View Post
    Did anyone else hear a news report (newstalk wed night rugby iirc) the other day that Johnny Sexton played the last test with a broken wrist apparently !?

    If it's true, I hope he is ok, and that it doesn't hamper his coming season too much.
    as a player that struggles to put on and maintain weight this represents significant challenge for him. I broke my wrist 10 weeks ago and still cannot press or bench press both good mass gaining exercises.

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  • Daithi
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    Did anyone else hear a news report (newstalk wed night rugby iirc) the other day that Johnny Sexton played the last test with a broken wrist apparently !?

    If it's true, I hope he is ok, and that it doesn't hamper his coming season too much.

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