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    #16
    Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
    And if Joe does manage to get the gig our lads will be even more struggling to get on.

    Maitland and Hartley both start in the first XV for their nations. Pom and Murray are only two of those here in Munster like.


    Ask yourself this. Who do you think will become an established Irish international from the Munster squad between now and May 2017?

    CJ and............?
    Hartley was behind Youngs by then, but point taken. I'd say CJ, but Earls will remain an international and Zebo just needs things to go his way.

    The notion that we won't produce a regular test player in the next two years is too depressing to contemplate, to be honest.

    Oh, and I'm choosing to believe that we're signing Henshaw in 2016 too :-)
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      #17
      I'm not saying we won't produce them, and others who have more knowledge of our young players and the academy could put forward names, but barring a Phoenix like rise through the ranks the current squad hasn't too many names that you'd think are on a track to get green jerseys regularly.

      Foley CJ TOD Pom Murray Earls Zebo, outside of them?
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        #18
        Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
        I'm not saying we won't produce them, and others who have more knowledge of our young players and the academy could put forward names, but barring a Phoenix like rise through the ranks the current squad hasn't too many names that you'd think are on a track to get green jerseys regularly.

        Foley CJ TOD Pom Murray Earls Zebo, outside of them?
        If TOL continues in his current form, would he be a contender for another few caps?

        He looked good when he came on against the Blues earlier this month, and when he burst on the scene he was pretty impressive.

        Too long in the tooth?
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          #19
          Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post
          If TOL continues in his current form, would he be a contender for another few caps?

          He looked good when he came on against the Blues earlier this month, and when he burst on the scene he was pretty impressive.

          Too long in the tooth?
          Is that St Boniface?
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            #20
            Stand up for ourselves - Scrap the Lions

            Originally posted by Viigand View Post
            I like the Lions, it makes a tonne of money. Not a chance it will be scrapped, nor should it be.
            But it makes twelve times more money for the SH unions than it does for the NH unions. Maybe that is how they can afford to forego 1. 5 home gates in a RWC year and keep their players so fresh. The next tour of NZ is a complete and utter waste of time, the Lions will lose 3-0 and all the Lions injuries, and there will be tonnes of them, will be completely in vain. For the odd Irish player who comes back from a Lions tour a better, more experienced player, there are half a dozen who are ruined physically. I will be hoping there are as few Irish Lions tourists to NZ as possible, sorry, but it is a complete waste of time.
            Last edited by the plastic paddy; 25th-October-2015, 18:01.

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              #21
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                #22
                Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                But it makes twelve times more money for the SH unions than it does for the NH unions. Maybe that is how they can afford to forego 1. 5 home gates in a RWC year and keep their players so fresh. The next tour of NZ is a complete and utter waste of time, the Lions will lose 3-0 and all the Lions injuries, and their will be tonnes of them, will be completely in vain. For the odd Irish player who comes back from a Lions tour a better, more experienced player, there are half a dozen who are ruined physically. I will be hoping there are as few Irish Lions tourists to NZ as possible, sorry, but it is a complete waste of time.
                So what if it makes more money for them? Its still money for rugby
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                  #23
                  Wow so some games played 2 years ago resulted in Ireland's injuries, England's implosion and France who are not even in the Lions total collapse? I must go off and consult my tea leaves.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by jeepers View Post
                    Thats if Zeebs hangs around to be continually ignored by Schmidt. His contract with Munster is up at the end of this season.
                    When he gets chances like the Italy game he needs to do better as well.
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by The Outlaw View Post
                      When he gets chances like the Italy game he needs to do better as well.
                      Bit difficult if you play heads up rugby and your national coach plays by numbers?
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by sewa View Post
                        So what if it makes more money for them? Its still money for rugby
                        So the SH can keep playing fewer games each year, and it is two months worth for the top players, and, unsurprisingly the NH players are much more susceptible to injury. The more games a rugby player plays the more likely they are to get injured. No ifs buts or maybes. Whilst that was not part of my initial post on the subject, when was the last time that any SH team played 7 non test games in the NH?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                          So the SH can keep playing fewer games each year, and it is two months worth for the top players, and, unsurprisingly the NH players are much more susceptible to injury. The more games a rugby player plays the more likely they are to get injured. No ifs buts or maybes. Whilst that was not part of my initial post on the subject, when was the last time that any SH team played 7 non test games in the NH?
                          Me maybe I'm old school but I do really believe that being match fit reduces the possibility of injury.
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by McCloud View Post
                            Wow so some games played 2 years ago resulted in Ireland's injuries, England's implosion and France who are not even in the Lions total collapse? I must go off and consult my tea leaves.
                            Yet more compromised rest and recuperation compared to the SH teams who get a full summer break, every year, without fail. Doubtless Lions fans will say it is coincidence, but it is amazing how many Lions tourists to Aus in 2013 were injured for this RWC.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by McCloud View Post
                              Bit difficult if you play heads up rugby and your national coach plays by numbers?
                              Not playing Zebo against Argentina looks like a terrible mistake.

                              and Fitzgerald has now probably gone above Earls in the pecking order - if we had beaten Argentina Fitzgerald would now be the new BOD. Cant see Earls getting anywhere near a Lions selection - just hope he has a good injury free year and can get into/stay the Irish team.

                              Obviously not the right thread - but the boy Joe needs to much better than just saying - we got off to a bad start. Has he offered any explanation about the defence??
                              ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by McCloud View Post
                                Me maybe I'm old school but I do really believe that being match fit reduces the possibility of injury.
                                With the greatest respect McCloud, professional rugby in 2015 bares the scarcest resemblance to anything played by the Lions tourists in 1997, leave alone the 70s. The NH players play more games, even before you factor in the Lions, and they suffer more injuries. Add in all those extra Lions games and the warfare that is trying to get on the squad/ team in the first place, and is it any wonder the two teams that made up the biggest contingent on the last Lions tour, Wales and Ireland, were destroyed by injury at this RWC.

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