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    France to replace England in Lions

    We really need a Southern Hemisphere versus Northern Hemisphere competition rather 4 teams playing one.

    If we cant have that then some updating of the Lions format to include other European countries as per the Ryder cup - perhaps with the top 2 or 3 countries (from the 6N) making the cut - to get the ball rolling England could take it in turns with France and Wales and Scotland or Ireland could let Italy have a run?

    On the back of the AIs (and Ireland bating all round them) it reminds us how ridiculous it is to be sending 4 teams off to play one it just reinforces northern inferiority complex and hasn't made any sense since England won the World Cup in the southern hemisphere in 2003.
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    Originally Posted by mr chips
    AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

    #2
    I dont understand Adolphus, Why would France replace England specifically?
    I am the million man.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
      I dont understand Adolphus, Why would France replace England specifically?
      We have to start somewhere - and the Irish, French, Scottish and Welsh Lions has a good ring to it.
      ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

      Originally Posted by mr chips
      AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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        #4
        Like the ryder cup. We could have a team called europe and the best players chosen to play. This would open the team up to the kubrashvilli's, the parisse's, not to mention the french etc.
        Personally I'd love it.
        So I walked as day was dawning
        Where small birds sang and leaves were falling
        Where we once watched the row boats landing
        By the broad majestic shannon

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          #5
          I think it's a daft idea and it is completely unworkable. The French start their season just after The Lions tours end.

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            #6
            All things can be made to work where money is involved. Did anybody bother with the ryder cup before 79?
            So I walked as day was dawning
            Where small birds sang and leaves were falling
            Where we once watched the row boats landing
            By the broad majestic shannon

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              #7
              The Heineken Cup had to face 'modernisation' and it needed it much less than the Lions.Nobody can seriously argue that a Ryder cup Northern versus Southern Hemisphere does not make far more sense.

              We had the ridiculous situation where on the last lions trip Ireland we were just one of 4 teams to play Australia in a 3 game friendly series and we had beaten them on our own in the previous World Cup - in a competitive world cup pool game.

              That is a complete nonsense in sporting terms.
              ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

              Originally Posted by mr chips
              AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                #8
                Originally posted by AdolphusGrigson View Post
                The Heineken Cup had to face 'modernisation' and it needed it much less than the Lions.Nobody can seriously argue that a Ryder cup Northern versus Southern Hemisphere does not make far more sense.

                We had the ridiculous situation where on the last lions trip Ireland we were just one of 4 teams to play Australia in a 3 game friendly series and we had beaten them on our own in the previous World Cup - in a competitive world cup pool game.

                That is a complete nonsense in sporting terms.
                The Lions will never change. French don't want to be in the Lions and never will be included. Ireland having beaten Australia at the previous world cup and then playing them as part of Lions wasn't complete nonsense. A "Ryder Cup" Northern Hemisphere v Southern Hemisphere doesn't make more sense and wont happen

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                  #9
                  re. "Ireland having beaten Australia at the previous world cup and then playing them as part of Lions wasn't complete nonsense. A "Ryder Cup" Northern Hemisphere v Southern Hemisphere doesn't make more sense and wont happen"

                  Leaving aside the likelyhood of whether it would happen - in purely rugby terms there can be little doubt that a Northern versus Southern hemisphere would be far more interesting - don't you agree?
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                  Originally Posted by mr chips
                  AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
                    The Lions will never change. French don't want to be in the Lions and never will be included. Ireland having beaten Australia at the previous world cup and then playing them as part of Lions wasn't complete nonsense. A "Ryder Cup" Northern Hemisphere v Southern Hemisphere doesn't make more sense and wont happen
                    "Never" is not a long time. The Lions has always evolved since its inception. NH select versus SH select would be more equitable.

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                      #11
                      Lions is a great concept......makes lots of money for the home nations and for the SH team. Unlike the Ryder cup, there is no reason to reinvent it.
                      Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                        "Never" is not a long time. The Lions has always evolved since its inception. NH select versus SH select would be more equitable.
                        It wouldn't and that wont replace the Lions tour. We may see the odd NH v SH select games as one offs but replace Lions no..

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by cornerboy View Post
                          Lions is a great concept......makes lots of money for the home nations and for the SH team. Unlike the Ryder cup, there is no reason to reinvent it.
                          There is reason - it is silly 4 teams playing against 1 - especially when individually those 4 teams can beat the opponents on their own. When England won the world cup the game was up. 4 teams beating Aus who were average at best (and certainly worse than Ireland) in the last Lions tour - will someone tell me in the name of holy feck what that was point of that?

                          In money making terms the southern hemisphere play along - as it is brilliant holiday for the Lions fans - but there is no other example as silly in sporting terms?

                          If a Northern hemisphere team wins the world cup (on their own) we will all have to pretend that it will be some great achievement for the 4 'home' teams to repeat the feat on the next Lions tour - what sort of nonsense is that?
                          ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                          Originally Posted by mr chips
                          AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                            #14
                            Kiwis wait 12 years to beat the lions. They don't consider it silly at all
                            I am the million man.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                              Kiwis wait 12 years to beat the lions. They don't consider it silly at all
                              They love thousands of people visiting their country and flattering them by bringing 4 teams to take on their one. England bate all round them in the Southern Hemisphere in 2003 including NZ.

                              If the Northern Hemisphere Lions visited every 12 years they would also have the benefit of having the Aussies and the Saffers supporters there as well as they would be in the Southern Hemisphere team.

                              So more money including French TV - which apparently was a major driver for a new Heineken Cup - the Heineken Cup is far more important to Irish rugby fans and we had to swallow 'reform' of that - let the same apply to the Lions and make it a properly competitive tour. If ever anything smacks of a cosy club it is the Lions - a good boot up the proverbial would do it and rugby a world of good - including delivering proper competition.
                              ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                              Originally Posted by mr chips
                              AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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