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  1. #15511

    Re: Banks - Economy - Housing thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sewa View Post
    Its something I have marvelled at over the years, his expertise in everything, quite impressive
    Considering your expertise on the Celtic Tiger, you are seriously taking the mickey. #clueless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar Moon View Post
    You do seem to know an awful lot about an awful lot Fitzy. It's very impressive.
    there are plenty on here that dont know their arse from .... ....., but thankfully for the advent of google, it has given this sector of "people" an expertise in all subjects

  3. #15513

    Re: Banks - Economy - Housing thread

    No expertise here, just personal experience.

    Sewa is trying to justify his tax breaks. I'm saying they are, in the context of a normal working environment, wrong.

    If you want to be a Ltd, you need to employ more than yourself after a few years.

    Saying that contracting is being flexible is a huge lie. It's nothing more than tax avoidance for most people.

    As a contractor, I can acknowledge this. It's a pity that others can't.
    Last edited by fitzy73; 9th-October-2012 at 10:27.
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    [QUOTE=fitzy73;1120106]
    If you want to be a Ltd, you need to employ more than yourself after a few years
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    Says who exactly? You are desperately swinging BS around here now
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    Minimising tax is a good thing. Less bickering please gents.

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    IMF admit they fcuked over Ireland economy

    Tuesday, October 09, 2012
    The IMF has admitted it completely underestimated the effects of austerity on the Irish economy....

    The ... body’s annual report being released in Tokyo today... says the IMF believed that for every €100 of austerity through higher taxes and spending cuts, the effect on economic growth and unemployment would be the equivalent of €50.

    But in reality the effect has been between double and three times that — stripping the economy of €90 to €150 for every €100 taken out in budgets agreed with the troika.


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    15 and a half thousand posts later! Fitzy had you any idea on the 7th of Nov 2007, what you were about to unleash here. 15,517 posts and over 500 pages
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    It's the defining story of Ireland in the 21st century. It has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of most of us. The amazing thing is that we are posting on a web forum and not out hacking our political masters to death with the nearest weapon to hand.
    For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valencia View Post
    15 and a half thousand posts later! Fitzy had you any idea on the 7th of Nov 2007, what you were about to unleash here. 15,517 posts and over 500 pages
    pretty sure some of these are merged threads, but it was kicked off at the right time....

    what a joke the country was back then..... (thinks about that for a while)......
    He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_like_cake View Post

    what a joke the country was back then..... (thinks about that for a while)......
    It still is.

  12. #15521
    Watched the Last Days of the Cowen Empire on TV (aired on Sunday I think) ..... grim but compelling viewing

    Some of the verbal gaffes were hilarious though (if it hadnt such a serious fallout)

    Smirker Collins saying Martin has an impossible task in rebuilding the FF brand

    Joe Lee wondering if FF can play the trick in getting Joe Public to buy into a rebranded FF

    Mary Hanafin telling Cowen "You cant do this !" wrt the late cabinet change stroke ..... Cowen :- "I can ! its in the constitution"
    (and Pat Carey ending up with 3 portfolios for the last few weeks)
    John Moloney (? burly guy with glasses) "I saw nothing wrong with the reshuffle"
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorob View Post
    It still is.
    Are we still doomed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    Are we still doomed?
    Depends what you are talking about.

    The economy is beginning to recover but we will really only see benefits in 3 to 5 years.

    However the recovery is coming at an enormous cost.

    For example whether you are dependent on public medical care or have private cover you are dependent on the HSE for medical care in certain emergencies. For those dependent on the Mid West Regional Hospital in Limerick it appears that if you get a heart attack caused by a blockage they will no longer treat you but instead tell the ambulance driver to keep on going to Galway. There are sufficient cardiologists attached to the hospital to give cover 24/7 but the support is simply not available due to budgetary considerations.

    The numbers of examples of the impact that our economic difficulties is having on the lives, and not just the finances, of ordinary people is growing by the day.

    With further austerity coming down the tracks things like this are only going to get worse.
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  16. #15524
    Lovely. F***ing lovely.

    10/10/2012 - 07:27:09
    The State is to pay a €5m legal bill run up by the late Charles Haughey at the Moriarty Tribunal.

    The tribunal found Mr Haughey took payments of €11.5m between 1979 and 1996 and granted favours in return.

    It found that the scale and secrecy of the payments devalued the quality of a modern democracy.

    His family disputed the findings.

    The Irish Times reports this morning that the tribunal decided some months ago he is entitled to his costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    Lovely. F***ing lovely.

    10/10/2012 - 07:27:09
    The State is to pay a €5m legal bill run up by the late Charles Haughey at the Moriarty Tribunal.

    The tribunal found Mr Haughey took payments of €11.5m between 1979 and 1996 and granted favours in return.

    It found that the scale and secrecy of the payments devalued the quality of a modern democracy.

    His family disputed the findings.

    The Irish Times reports this morning that the tribunal decided some months ago he is entitled to his costs.
    "His family disputed the findings." and then rode off into the sunset,saddlebags bulging with their ill-gotten gains.
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    Banks - Economy - Housing thread

    The real beneficiaries here are the Haughey siblings. The oul fella's a crook but they get the loot. Our Feckin loot!
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  22. #15528
    Why isn't CAB asked to recover the money?
    For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.

  23. #15529
    Quote Originally Posted by rathbaner View Post
    Why isn't CAB asked to recover the money?
    CJH made a settlement with the Revenue. That particular slate was wiped clean.

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    On the consumer price front it looks like it is a case of much done, more to do as Ireland is the 5th most expensive country for consumers in the EU.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking38.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    CJH made a settlement with the Revenue. That particular slate was wiped clean.
    but not clean enough for his costs for being caught out to be wiped off the record as well, hmm is that sound of cake being had and eaten I hear?
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  27. #15532
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...42.html?via=mr

    VINCENT BROWNE
    AT A conference in Dublin on Monday, an academic from Iceland, Thora Kristin Thorsdottir, showed a chart contrasting the impact of the crisis measures adopted by governments in Iceland and Ireland on real disposable earnings of couples by income deciles (that is the poorest tenth of earners, the next poorest tenth, through to the richest tenth).
    It showed that the poorest tenth of earners in Iceland suffered a drop of 9 per cent, whereas in Ireland the drop was 26 per cent (the data for Ireland was for the period 2008-2009 and for Iceland 2008-2010).
    For the second-poorest 10 per cent of earners, the drop in Ireland was 14 per cent, in Iceland, 9 per cent. For the second-richest tenth in Iceland the drop was 17 per cent, in Ireland it was just 2 per cent. But, the most revealing figure of all, for the richest 10 per cent in both countries, in Iceland the richest had a drop in earnings of 38 per cent, in Ireland the top 10 per cent showed an increase of 8 per cent....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...42.html?via=mr

    VINCENT BROWNE
    AT A conference in Dublin on Monday, an academic from Iceland, Thora Kristin Thorsdottir, showed a chart contrasting the impact of the crisis measures adopted by governments in Iceland and Ireland on real disposable earnings of couples by income deciles (that is the poorest tenth of earners, the next poorest tenth, through to the richest tenth).
    It showed that the poorest tenth of earners in Iceland suffered a drop of 9 per cent, whereas in Ireland the drop was 26 per cent (the data for Ireland was for the period 2008-2009 and for Iceland 2008-2010).
    For the second-poorest 10 per cent of earners, the drop in Ireland was 14 per cent, in Iceland, 9 per cent. For the second-richest tenth in Iceland the drop was 17 per cent, in Ireland it was just 2 per cent. But, the most revealing figure of all, for the richest 10 per cent in both countries, in Iceland the richest had a drop in earnings of 38 per cent, in Ireland the top 10 per cent showed an increase of 8 per cent....
    Thanks for that JCC. What wonderful leaders we have.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    CJH made a settlement with the Revenue. That particular slate was wiped clean.


    Just to be clear, the Rev presented Charlie with a bill for 2m, he appealed and was left off - paid zilch, the Appeals Commissioner at the Rev who adjudicated on the appeal was none other than Bertie Ahern's brother-in-law, who remains in situ should Bertie himself or any other favoured people have to make an appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley View Post
    Just to be clear, the Rev presented Charlie with a bill for 2m, he appealed and was left off - paid zilch, the Appeals Commissioner at the Rev who adjudicated on the appeal was none other than Bertie Ahern's brother-in-law, who remains in situ should Bertie himself or any other favoured people have to make an appeal.
    I'd be the last guy to ever defend that toerag CJH Stanley, but (and I realise it's limitations) the following came from wikipedia:-

    "Haughey eventually agreed a settlement with the revenue and paid a total of € 6.5 million in back taxes and penalties to the Revenue Commissioners in relation to these donations.[45] In August 2003 Haughey was forced to sell his large estate, Abbeville, in Kinsealy in north County Dublin for €45 million to settle legal fees he had incurred during the tribunals.[46] He continued to live at Abbeville and own the island of Inishvickillane off the coast of County Kerry until his death."

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    Love the way leaders questions always has several responses from the government to questions they can never answer, and just respond with ' we've been left in a difficult position from the previous government bla bla bla'! As mentioned earlier by someone, its funny how we express our view points on a forum, and not on the streets etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...42.html?via=mr

    VINCENT BROWNE
    AT A conference in Dublin on Monday, an academic from Iceland, Thora Kristin Thorsdottir, showed a chart contrasting the impact of the crisis measures adopted by governments in Iceland and Ireland on real disposable earnings of couples by income deciles (that is the poorest tenth of earners, the next poorest tenth, through to the richest tenth).
    It showed that the poorest tenth of earners in Iceland suffered a drop of 9 per cent, whereas in Ireland the drop was 26 per cent (the data for Ireland was for the period 2008-2009 and for Iceland 2008-2010).
    For the second-poorest 10 per cent of earners, the drop in Ireland was 14 per cent, in Iceland, 9 per cent. For the second-richest tenth in Iceland the drop was 17 per cent, in Ireland it was just 2 per cent. But, the most revealing figure of all, for the richest 10 per cent in both countries, in Iceland the richest had a drop in earnings of 38 per cent, in Ireland the top 10 per cent showed an increase of 8 per cent....
    I think I will print this out, pop it in a drawer by my front door and bring it out at every election from now on and ask of any FF, FG or FF lite callers to please explain.

    Very interesting JCC but very depressing as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rathbaner View Post
    IMF admit they fcuked over Ireland economy

    Tuesday, October 09, 2012
    The IMF has admitted it completely underestimated the effects of austerity on the Irish economy....

    The ... body’s annual report being released in Tokyo today... says the IMF believed that for every €100 of austerity through higher taxes and spending cuts, the effect on economic growth and unemployment would be the equivalent of €50.

    But in reality the effect has been between double and three times that — stripping the economy of €90 to €150 for every €100 taken out in budgets agreed with the troika.


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ng-210285.html

    What happened to all of our "Austerity must happen - there is no other solution" posters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...42.html?via=mr

    VINCENT BROWNE
    AT A conference in Dublin on Monday, an academic from Iceland, Thora Kristin Thorsdottir, showed a chart contrasting the impact of the crisis measures adopted by governments in Iceland and Ireland on real disposable earnings of couples by income deciles (that is the poorest tenth of earners, the next poorest tenth, through to the richest tenth).
    It showed that the poorest tenth of earners in Iceland suffered a drop of 9 per cent, whereas in Ireland the drop was 26 per cent (the data for Ireland was for the period 2008-2009 and for Iceland 2008-2010).
    For the second-poorest 10 per cent of earners, the drop in Ireland was 14 per cent, in Iceland, 9 per cent. For the second-richest tenth in Iceland the drop was 17 per cent, in Ireland it was just 2 per cent. But, the most revealing figure of all, for the richest 10 per cent in both countries, in Iceland the richest had a drop in earnings of 38 per cent, in Ireland the top 10 per cent showed an increase of 8 per cent....
    All those protests in Dublin are really going to explode over the top now! I don't know how the riot police will be able to cope! I just hope not too much property will be destroyed - I never saw any sense in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    I'd be the last guy to ever defend that toerag CJH Stanley, but (and I realise it's limitations) the following came from wikipedia:-

    "Haughey eventually agreed a settlement with the revenue and paid a total of € 6.5 million in back taxes and penalties to the Revenue Commissioners in relation to these donations.[45] In August 2003 Haughey was forced to sell his large estate, Abbeville, in Kinsealy in north County Dublin for €45 million to settle legal fees he had incurred during the tribunals.[46] He continued to live at Abbeville and own the island of Inishvickillane off the coast of County Kerry until his death."


    Would seem to be several tax bills


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ha...y-1191887.html

    GHOSTS OF Charles Haughey scandals past returned to haunt Taoiseach Bertie Ahern yesterday when it emerged that the former premier had had a tax liability on pounds 2m of secret gifts reduced to zero. Mr Ahern became implicated when opposition deputies (TDs) discovered that the extraordinary concession was overseen by his own brother-in- law, Ronan Kelly, a tax appeals commissioner. The finance spokesman of the Democratic Left party, Pat Rabbitte, asked Mr Ahern if he accepted that it "gives the wrong impression to the public, without reflecting in any way on the man's competence, that the brother-in-law of the present leader of Fianna Fail should adjudicate on the tax affairs of a former leader of Fianna Fail?"


    Amid rowdy scenes in the Dail, Opposition critics alleged that Mr Ahern had himself appointed Mr Kelly to his present post without advertisement. Mr Ahern replied that he first heard of Mr Kelly's involvement when he read about in yesterday's Dublin newspapers.
    The latest escape by Mr Haughey, whose skill in eluding previous icebergs earned him the nickname "Houdini", was greeted with general disbelief.

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