...so many people on this board have been soiling their pants about us having to play? This group is there for the winning if Ireland want it. Even allowing for opening match etc we can win all 4 games and get a juicy little QF. Not underestimating Argentina but they weren't that great, France were dire and that was both first teams. Pressure looks like getting to the French.
I would be willing to bet my bottom dollar that France will play ten times better than that against Ireland...
it doesn't matter...France thought they would win, Argentina were fired up to win. That's the difference. Does Ireland have the killer win-win instinct? Vamos ver, muchachos!
I was under the impression that france were going to win the world cup due to all the hype!
I suppose Ireland have gone form no hopers to winners now![img]smileys/confused.gif[/img]
Nah, I reckon SA.Originally Posted by dropkick
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yeah cos France can just turn up and step it up 20 levels but we could never do that cos we're just s**te little Ireland that's rubbish. Guys a decent but not particularly creative Argentina knocked France out of their stride. Will France be better? For as long as it takes us to get in their faces and put the doubts back. But then it's only s**te little Ireland so how could that happen.
Spot on OE.
That's all well & fine but you forget who is coaching us.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
Like a broken record your still at it. If your assessment of EOS is as accurate as your assessment of the French team / manager EOS has very little to worry about.
Ok... both teams weren't that great, or to be clear France were s**te.
Argentina's tactis were simple 1) slow ball down, 2) make France
play in a narrow chanel 3) Kick everything up in the air to give
forwards a target and France no opportunity to counter off the back
foot. France were inept.
For me, last night was one of the best possible results, and I never
saw it coming. France were always going to be favorites against
Ireland; they are better than us and have consistently found a way to
beat us both home & away for the past four years. But against
Argentina, they didn't respond to pressure at all, took poor options
with dreadful decision making at 9,10 and seemed lost at times.
Their confidence will have taken a bashing.
Now, Ireland have a strong chance to beat a French team that will
simply be under more brutal pressure. We can win our group, and
avoid New Zealand. The All Blacks will crush everything they face up
until the time we can see how they will respond to the pressure of a
semi or final. If we win our group, we probably play Scotland, whom
we should be supremely confident of beating.
Last nights result.. a big positive.
What assesment of Laporte sewa? Perhaps you might find it for us &
post it up here & show us where it was wrong. Otherwise go and
annoy some one else with your inane ramblings you ignorant WUM.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
I agree that our chances have improved thanks to last nights result.
This french team tends to fall to pieces a little bit when put under
intense pressure. We saw that in some of their friendly matches with
the AB's and again most definetly last night. On the other hand, if
they manage to get on a role, they can be hard to stop. Argentina never
let them breath & put them under intense pressure. All the
self-doubt came flooding back.
The team picked for the Irish match is going to be highly motivated and
basically some of their players will possibly playing their last match
in a french shirt. There will be huge tension & emotion. The
pressure on them will be enormous. This could go 2 ways. Ireland start
well stay with them not allowing them score tries in which case the
doubts & nerves are going to grow. If we're still in with a shout
with 15/20 mins to go, the french may go to pieces. On the otherhand,
we do our usual thing, dont show up for 20mins, gift them a few easy
scores, that pressure will come off their shoulders, and suddenly
you'll see a diff french side. That'll be a long match for us and a
very heavy defeat.
I hope the former scenario comes to pass but I fear we are more likely to see the latter with this irish team.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
It is Simon Geoghegan, but hes not from up north
Karma
Any idiot could see how far you had your tougue up his ass. Bump threads if you want to. I for one have had enough of your completely unjustified negativity. Perhaps tomorrowI will be bored enough but the fans here know what I am referring to. U were proved wrong. Simple as that [img]smileys/cool.gif[/img]
As I thought. No such accessment of Laporte existed, did it? except of course in sewa's rather small head. Of course last nights fabulous win over Namibia, has proved all Eddie's doubters wrong.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
Sewa this may come as a shock, but Mcork has been proved right.
Has he? Is EOS responsible for teaching guys how to pass a ball and catch it? Take a trip to your local U12's game. You will see kids who almost never drop the thing, can pass it backwards and possibly even a hooker who can throw the ball in straight. If guys can't execute these simple skills I fail to see what the coach can do about it. It wasn't tactics or bad selection that lead to guys like POC, DOC,Darcy and Hickie being crap. The responsibility rests with the players IMO.
The coach is reponsible for the selection (of 22 players) & preparation (both physical & mental) of the team, and it's tactics.
On all those fronts Cooder has failed, and in the recent going consistantly too.
We looked jaded, slow, and frankly not too interested last night. It was shocking.
p.s. Dropped passes and lack of other basic skills aren't his fault admittedly.
I'd stick to your guns, Dermot.
The reality is, and I'm sure Sewa knows it, that players at this level and with this experience do not suddenly forget how to pass and catch a ball.
There is a serious malaise with this team, one that can only be put down to its preparation. And that is the responsibility of the coach.
Not saying the players shouldn't shoulder some responsibility. If Ireland continue in this vein, the BOD should resign the captaincy at the end of the competition, around the same time that EOS resigns his post and waives his severance fees.
People would seem to be forgetting one minor issue
<table summary="Pool D" ="groupsStandig normal">
<caption>@@@@SPAN ="latestTitle">Pool D@@@@/SPAN></caption><t><tr><th class="img"></th><th ="t">
</th><th ="p"><abbr title="Played">P</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Won">W</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Draw">D</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Lost">L</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Points Difference">PD</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Tries Difference">TD</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Points For">PF</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Tries For">TF</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Bonus Points">BP</abbr></th><th><abbr title="Points">PTS</abbr></th></tr></t><t><tr ="odd"><td class="c img"></td><td ="l">Ireland</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">15</td><td ="c">3</td><td ="c">32</td><td ="c">5</td><td ="c">1</td><td style="font-weight: bold;" ="c">5</td></tr><tr ="even"><td class="c img">
</td><td ="l">Argentina</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">5</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">17</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">4</td></tr><tr ="odd"><td class="c img">
</td><td ="l">France</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">-5</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">12</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">1</td><td style="font-weight: bold;" ="c">1</td></tr><tr ="even"><td class="c img">
</td><td ="l">Georgia</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td></tr><tr ="odd"><td class="c img">
</td><td ="l">Namibia</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">1</td><td ="c">-15</td><td ="c">-3</td><td ="c">17</td><td ="c">2</td><td ="c">0</td><td ="c">0</td></tr></t>
</table>
Karma
It'll sadly be a very minor issue by Sept 30th Dave.
Agreed.
On a couple of occasions during breaks in play when we needed to be getting a bollicking or whatever BOD was standing with hands on hips looking clueless.
I'd stick to your guns, Dermot.
The reality is, and I'm sure Sewa knows it, that players at this level and with this experience do not suddenly forget how to pass and catch a ball.
There is a serious malaise with this team, one that can only be put down to its preparation. And that is the responsibility of the coach.
Not saying the players shouldn't shoulder some responsibility. If Ireland continue in this vein, the BOD should resign the captaincy at the end of the competition, around the same time that EOS resigns his post and waives his severance fees.
I agree. We'll have qualified by then.
Karma
I agree. We'll have qualified by then.
Where is the faith stemming from, Dave?
The point about the table above is thankfully true, and i suppsoe that's what it's all about. i'm glad we didnt have either of the 'big' two first.
I also suspect that Namibia will give somone else a run for their money before this is all over. A lot of them have more experiece playing SA provincial rugby than say, USA or Portugal etc.
Offside Ref! He's being doing it all day
Dermot - you hold his feet and I'll apply the straightjacket.I agree. We'll have qualified by then.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
Agreeing with Cahill. There is a first time for everything. Nobody here knows hwo we will turn out next time. Maybe we will be just as awful or maybe we will improve enough to give us a chance.I am pretty surewe can't be any worse. Have faith in the lads to put things right.
Some teams flew out of the blocks.
Argies notably, NZ, and to a lesser extent Oz, & SA.
W. Samoa will cause problems I reckon.
Ireland and France has started slowest, with Ireland falling over the line against the weaker opponents.
That's all fine and dandy sewa. My problem based on the games against Scotland, Italy and last nights shambles is there does not appear to bea player capable of "putting things right" when things are going down hill. According to Eddie he spoke at half time about the need to get the basics right and thngs got worse.Ireland do not seem able or are not prepared to change the game plan if things are not working on the day.
I hope we cannot be worse, I just wonder how deep the bucket is.
Question if that had been Georgia last night would we have won?
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