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It was a hurricane (cat 1 - lowest...) when it was a in the Caribbean (& where many more died...). It is now a storm, winds were 80mph at one point in US, now about 40mph - try Mayo or Donegal on a typical November afternoon...... Then compare and contrast, please.....Originally Posted by joeriddick
The damage was done by flooding and falling trees. Flooding was because there was a surge and it co-incided with high tides (similar happened in Cork earlier in the month....). Many trees fell because they were still in full foliage (it's a physics thing...), cutting power lines. The biggest issue is that it hit the most densely populated area of the USA - flanked on one side by NY city (stock exchanges closed - remember the last time they closed...?) and Washington DC on the other. I mentioned Katrina (not the strongest hurricane, but a hurricane, to hit US in recent times but...) where many, many (times....) more people died. The cause of the damage/debts wasn't just the weather, it's what people (in power mainly...) have been doing/not doing. In Katrina's case the funds/personnel for maintaining the flood-prevention infrastructure were diverted to other uses (a foreign war...); in this case the flood defences also failed amongst other things (funding wasn't fully restored even after Katrina...) and now Romney wants to disband this measure altogether....
It's a major disaster that is going to cost millions (& some lives); it's not the biggest natural phenomenon/disaster to hit the US this year but because it affects so many people including in NY and Washington it's getting serious coverage. Some of the others weren't deemed that newsworthy. Iowa or Nebraska (even Texas..) isn't deemed as important as New York city or Washington. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's more 'in the news' if you like. Why, even the Huffington Post was closed down......!
Fair enough, not a hurricane but it was a seriously strong storm in a hugely populated area that killed people and ruined a lot of property including, as I've discovered, two cousins of mine. It was a massive system, it affected nearly 60 million people and nobody on this side of the pond had to look at a single second of footage if they didn't want to bar what was mentioned fleetingly on the news.It was a hurricane (cat 1 - lowest...) when it was a in the Caribbean (& where many more died...). It is now a storm, winds were 80mph at one point in US, now about 40mph - try Mayo or Donegal on a typical November afternoon...... Then compare and contrast, please.....
The damage was done by flooding and falling trees. Flooding was because there was a surge and it co-incided with high tides (similar happened in Cork earlier in the month....). Many trees fell because they were still in full foliage (it's a physics thing...), cutting power lines. The biggest issue is that it hit the most densely populated area of the USA - flanked on one side by NY city (stock exchanges closed - remember the last time they closed...?) and Washington DC on the other. I mentioned Katrina (not the strongest hurricane, but a hurricane, to hit US in recent times but...) where many, many (times....) more people died. The cause of the damage/debts wasn't just the weather, it's what people (in power mainly...) have been doing/not doing. In Katrina's case the funds/personnel for maintaining the flood-prevention infrastructure were diverted to other uses (a foreign war...); in this case the flood defences also failed amongst other things (funding wasn't fully restored even after Katrina...) and now Romney wants to disband this measure altogether....
It's a major disaster that is going to cost millions (& some lives); it's not the biggest natural phenomenon/disaster to hit the US this year but because it affects so many people including in NY and Washington it's getting serious coverage. Some of the others weren't deemed that newsworthy. Iowa or Nebraska (even Texas..) isn't deemed as important as New York city or Washington. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's more 'in the news' if you like. Why, even the Huffington Post was closed down......!
Are people honestly complaining about that the US channels gave 24 hour attention to a massive storm that seriously affected numerous states? Or was the storm not wet and wild enough for all the rainy summer badasses in here?
"A massive storm surge is coming towards Battery Park but just so you don't feel too bad about your sh!t getting ruined, there was another storm in Asia earlier this year that just awful too."
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I don't mind the extent of the coverage in NY. It's kind of like dublin weather getting massive airtime compared to the rest of the country during floods/snow but on a continental scale. Its very easy to cover Because there are Almost unlimited resources there to draw on for commentary, footage etc.
It's the almost complete lack of reference to the people who died in the carribean first I find a bit myopic
I tend to agree with SRG and OD on this. This is from the BBC site. Hyberbole or what? Tree downed!
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Tree downed?I tend to agree with SRG and OD on this. This is from the BBC site. Hyberbole or what? Tree downed!
Have a look at some of the hyperbole here.
Oh wait, a sh!t load more happened than just a tree being downed.
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Sorry about that - I've been a bit jumpy all day with this ****. Couple of relatives and friends homes in Staten and Jersey totally messed up. From my point of view it isn't hyperbole because it's happening in my neighborhood while I'm over here looking at it on the TV.Janey mac, what's got into your knickers!! Jump down my neck why don't ya!
It's not just US news with the constant coverage, which is of course completely expected, but the international news also. I was just saying that other natural disasters of similar or even worse proportions don't get this kind of blanket coverage. Sheesh....
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Damage expected to cost several US$ Billion to repair. My brother lives in central N.J. and said it was pretty nasty.
some of the subway stations in manhattan are completely flooded.
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In fairness its pretty bad over here.....just because tv networks are in your view OTT , which they can do in any news item...shouldn't deter from the fact how bad it is.
In ain't no Katrina or Stephens day tsunami. but comparing death tolls on which is bigger is ridiculous...one death is always going to be a tragedy for the family involved...
For the city that never sleeps....it hasn't budged in 48hours...350.000 evacuated from lower Manhattan is a big story...
No bother JR. My own bro over Stateside (NY) so I know what you're saying. I absolutely meant no offence.
Hope all are well!
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Didn't mean to belittle anyone's suffering ND. I hope that ye are all safe and well.Agree completely that it is a big story, of course, and rightly so. And should be top of the agenda where ye are, etc.
All I was saying, maybe badly, is that there is a whole wide world out there and there are floods and natural (and unnatural) catastrophes every other day that don't get the coverage that they also deserve. In no way was I insinuating that Sandy wasn't a big story that shouldn't be covered. I would just like to see even half the coverage given to other countries, and I mean here, in Europe, where it isn't local news. And that countries that maybe need a bit more external help and support should get some sort of international coverage and recognition. That's all.
Peace??
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Any word on the tree?, does anyone know if it had any saplings?
Crew stayed behind to limit the damage to this yacht in Rhode Island yesterday, placed to be blown off its moorings (better to be blown off than blown on. (tell that to yer missus tonight)). Notice the offshore lines used to pull the yacht away from the dock, and the multiple doubled long lines to the next dock. I would have put her further away from that edge.
The axe that cuts the tree can easily forget, but the tree thats been cut will not forget.
Right. Firstly, for clarity - let's not argue about whether it was category 1 hurricane again or not when it made landfall. The winds strengthened considerably. It did exactly what all of the weather models said it was going to do for days in advance. It was a Cat 1 hurricane that merged with an artic storm and became a Nor'easter. People in the NE US know from experience to fear nor'easters more than hurricanes as they are the ones that have caused more damage than hurricanes. My mission here is not to talk up the storm even though some people here are claiming that it wasn't some freak - but people weren't sure what it was going to do because this never happened before (in modern history). At 946mb it was by far the lowest pressure ever recorded. Therefore, meteorologists and millions of people were watching with fear as the most powerful storm ever recorded to make landfall was approaching. Fact.
I know these things because I was scouring for the blanket coverage because I have loved ones, friends, etc that are in South Jersey exactly where it was predicted to make a direct hit and in Manhattan / Queens where it was predicted to be pretty devastating. A direct hit from a hurricane hasn't occurred in anyone's lifetime and not since 1903 when it took out the boardwalk and hotels - as did a few other subsequent storms like in '44 and '62.
SRG, not to belittle the plight of the thousands that have died in natural disasters elsewhere in the world, and I also understand your sentiment, but your post above was somewhat reactionary and I think not thought through (and a little bit insulting). I don't know the extent to which African, Asian, and Arab TV stations might have reported on Sandy and I don't know the extent to which people from the Eastern World know or care about a storm scaring people on the East Coast of the US. However, and I will agree that US News stations are sensationalist (not all, but most). However, I couldn't get enough 24/7, minute by minute updates here. I was all over the internet watching reports and frustrated that the local South Jersey news stations and newspapers weren't updating because they had already lost power. I didn't know if I was going to have friends or family in the middle of what New Orleans looked like after Katrina since we knew this was going to be the strongest storm surge to hit the North East ever in recorded history.
So, frankly, I EXPECT blanket coverage and 24/7 updates.
I prayed that it wouldn't be so bad and thank god those that I know on the mainland weren't killed by falling trees, won't have their electricity out for over a week, haven’t drowned from the back bays meeting the inland waterways. Thank god others that I know evacuated safely from the barrier islands (yet to know if their houses are destroyed or not).
When you know people in a place like this expecting an unprecedented storm surge - you worry and want blanket coverage minute by minute:
See the bottom tip of that Island Atlantic City is on (Absecon Island)...That town is called Longport. The first street in Longport is "11th street". Can you guess what happened to the first 10? If you look at the map of New Jersey - the bottom tip is Cape May. When you stand on the beach and look out to sea where the neighbourhoods of South Cape May used to be - you wonder when the next map changer is coming
Yup - train tracks.
So when you've seen Long Beach Island and the inlet that was carved through the middle of it by a Non-hurricane creating two islands - You tend to watch the news a lot when they're saying this might be one of those ones...
Sorry - but complaining about blanket coverage of a storm seems (to me) to be a little sillier than the blanket coverage. Yes - I'm sorry for thousands of people that are wiped out by tsunamis in the pacific. I'm sorry for people are killed in "tornado alley", but no - I'm sorry I don't want to watch the news constantly about that. If it was common knowledge that a substantial proportion of the news watching public knows someone at the expected "ground zero" (which was like the size of Western Europe almost?) - I'm not surprised they give the story a lot of attention. It also seems reasonable to give it particular attention when the damage estimates in monetary terms have already well surpassed Ireland's debt. Thank god it wasn't worse. thank god for small blessings that even more weren't killed. But the expectance for and actuality of millions and millions of people without electricity alone is a "news story". I was worried here in Ireland when it was happening and I didn't know how bad it was happening...
I am sorry for the poor poor people from the inlet in Atlantic City -
Geographically - this wasn't small...
Cape May
Connecticut
Hoboken
N. Carolina
Rhode Island
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So Whether the weather did what it did in Point Pleasant, NJ
Or Maryland:
Or Queens:
It seemed there was a lot to cover and a lot of people interested in the coverage.
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It's a shame the camera work is so bad...A flight from tip of Cape May to Barnegate Light. You can just about make out the varying degrees of flood damage. In all flippin fairness - look at the geography of Long Beach Island and no one should be surprised about its fate...People have been surprised it's still there for decades now let alone that it's holding water now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFYIdIsJMss
Your right...the international coverage of sandy before it headed north was embarrassing....but unfortunately as od rightly pointed out...floods in Battery park v shantys knocked over in Haiti .. the "sexy" news will win out.Didn't mean to belittle anyone's suffering ND. I hope that ye are all safe and well.
All I was saying, maybe badly, is that there is a whole wide world out there and there are floods and natural (and unnatural) catastrophes every other day that don't get the coverage that they also deserve. In no way was I insinuating that Sandy wasn't a big story that shouldn't be covered. I would just like to see even half the coverage given to other countries, and I mean here, in Europe, where it isn't local news. And that countries that maybe need a bit more external help and support should get some sort of international coverage and recognition. That's all.
Peace??
PLus it makes more compelling viewing( sounds bad to phrase that way) when its sights and landmarks you recognise.
Peace...of course
I don't understand why you think the Caribbean hurricane Sandy didn't get enough coverage. I don't mean to be mean and sound insensitive, but people have become desensitised to tropical storm devastation in those places. It is the norm. They are real people suffering real suffering, but I don't understand how you would expect or want constant updates every minute even if there was the technology in place to bring it to you. And because there is nothing I can do about it, no one that belongs to me there that I am particularly attached to and that it is truly feckin sad what happens to them - Why would I want in-depth coverage and minute by minute updates? It's really a shame that they don't have the infrastructure, evacuation mechanisms, strong and well-equipped emergency crews. The Caribbean is always getting wiped out by tropical storms in general. Yes it was the deadliest storm to hit Cuba in 7 years. Yes it's sad that over 50 people were killed in Haiti. On a pure logical level though - I thought it was getting appropriate and adequate coverage - I was watching updates from that region on The Weather Channel hourly though - they were bringing us what information they could. However failing to see how the first time in history NYC was expected to be flooded and the NE coast of the US expecting the worst damage perhaps ever in history while this was unfolding was bigger news is strange to me. Isn't that much bigger "news"?
Right - I was watching most of this on the internet - The Weather Channel and US News stations. I saw what was unfolding in the Caribbean. There needs to be constant coverage of this sort of thing as it approaches in the US because people are constantly making decisions about what action they need to take...Stage 1 - time to buy batteries and water and tins of food, Do I need to buy plywood to board up the windows?, Should I get a generator / gallons of petrol?, Is it too late to buy water and batteries? Are they all gone? Is this going to hit that area over there and how high is the water going to get? Is Auntie K going to be OK? Does she need help? So, yes. News stations will incessantly cover as much as possible about what is going to happen locally. They do not need to cover incessantly what is happening in another country. If you want to fly out to help in another country before the storm hits - you have enough advance information to go on and a reasonable idea of what it is going to look like after you arrive. There isn't enough personal attachment to people from this side of the world or from America to other countries to warrant more camera crews, expert predictions, and action to be taken advice about what is happening there.
Rationalising the coverage here and in the UK - Almost everyone here knows someone that was going to be under that storm there - hence some fairly frequent updates on the event.
I don't think that is "SEXY" news. But on the other hand do you really want or need to see an update every time someone in one of those poor Caribbean islands drowns? It's sad and I don't care to know the details. The feckin body counts are sufficient. I'm sorry if I prefer to get updates about how many trees are falling on houses and cars because it gives me a better picture of the risk people I know personally are facing. Sensitivity is complex.
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i was merely talking about Sandys coverage here inthe US prior to it heading here. The election is on 24/7 the Caribbean version hardly hot a mention. I don't know to what level UK and Irish stations are covering it.
I pointed out in previous posts why its big news here and why it should get big coverage
My last post was being in partial agreement with SRG on the disparity on.news issues in 1st and 3rd world.
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Ok
Sandy
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Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
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Taz .....wasn't it -22 or something in Carlow or somewhere equally cold 2 years ago?
Another Siberian winter is the last thing we need
I can see the Boards of the energy providers rubbing their hands together with glee
I am the million man.
Something ludicrous like that alright. That winter 2 years ago,I got snowed in twice and could not get anywhere... Strange because where i live we rarely even see snow,never mind get snowed in.
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Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
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Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Another Siberian winter is the last thing we need
I can see the Boards of the energy providers rubbing their hands together with glee
Get 6/7ft of snow here every winter
I just carry a hip flask around and pretend im in Fargo.
Are u well down in.west cork.....would be a rarity alright id say....
Far enough down,far enough.
The US have a decent thing called infrastructure though which helps. Bought two Bridgestone Winter tyres on Saturday for €160,hopefully they will keep me safe.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
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Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
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