With or without TB?Originally Posted by friendofthedevil
With or without TB?
All I'll say is it's a good job for this site Christians aren't tolerant like Muslims
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
This is just the beginning...
Islamic states on quest to make blasphemy a global criminal offence
Next would logically be sodomy.
"Mayol, it's like the Canterbury Crusaders fans, but under steroids !" Andrew Mehrtens 2007
That is a real head shaker.... the quicker these countries get a gay female president, the better....
He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.
If that be the case then the Messiah is amongst us and masquerading as Drick the Moderator! :-)
...and Mr. Crow comes on for Mr. Magpie.
The other possibility of why they never mentioned if he had a wife was the intenisve labour of writing it down. It was a time consuming business to make paper and then make ink and find a goose and sharpen a feather. If I was a writer back in the day I would have left trivial things out like a wife!:-)
...and Mr. Crow comes on for Mr. Magpie.
But you wouldn't have been allowed to learn to write, Boo ...
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
I like the fact that Theologians and Church men have said it's only a scrap of papyrus and doesn't prove anything, kinda the same as the Bible then?...
Commemorate Nevin Spence here -
http://www.mycharity.ie/event/munste..._nevin_spence/
not really no, the bible was recorded from a collection of perceived histories handed down - not from a single scrap of papyrus that has been latched onto without any context being applied to it. It's like saying a postage stamp of Kelly Holmes found in 200 years shows she was the queen of England at the current time. Context is everything. (The Bible is actually a fascinating piece of study if you open your mind to what was behind how these stories came to be important. It carries a window into history if people read between the lines, do the research and drop the it's all bull**** attitude. Stories don't get handed down through generations as history for no good reason, the challenge is to drop not only the religious magical elements but also the atheistic it must all be lies attitude. Like I say if people do the research there's some fascinating things that come out of the background to how those stories in the Bible came about. I highly recommend the works of David Rohl and John Romer).
The professor herself has summed it up perfectly in a piece many seem to have not bothered to read:
"Ms King said the script was not proof of Jesus's marital status.
"It is not evidence, for us, historically, that Jesus had a wife," she said.
"It's quite clear evidence, in fact, that some Christians, probably in the second half of the 2nd Century, thought that Jesus had a wife.""
i.e. people writing 200 years later thought he did.
Last edited by Evil Omer; 20th-September-2012 at 12:53.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
That might be a fair enough point, but none of the gospels are contemporary to Jesus' lifetime either. Either way, it makes little enough difference to me or my life, as I don't base it on the stories surrounding him or anyone else in the church-approved collection of ancient stories and fantasies that the Bible actually is.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
Since that would be logical probably means it won't happen, logic doesn't seem to come into their thought. I still think Hugh Denis had the best comment on it.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Nope they're not contemporary and that's something that gets lost to people, that the belief is of them being initially written in contact with those who directly followed him and passed down from them - not being recorded at the time. Which is sad because there's a great deal of context lost. Like how many people realise Paul was not a direct apostle like Peter had been?
My interest is as someone with a degree in history who has studied ancient history and is constantly amazed by how much source material in the bible has been ignored (though thankfully that's changing) because of people's anti attitude to religion, rather than any thought about the content. In fact most people's idea of what is in the bible is more from Cecil B De Mille than the books themselves.
You've also reminded me of something that I found so stupid it was quite funny, guy I worked with, aggressive atheist who I have referenced on here before, giving out about the bible all being fake, all written long after Jesus, talking like he was an absolute expert. Yet when I pointed out that THE BIBLE was actually a collection of "histories" recorded over a period of hundreds of years both before and after Jesus and wasn't just about Jesus he genuinely didn't know that. He thought it was just about the life of Jesus!!!
Last edited by Evil Omer; 20th-September-2012 at 13:14.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
I'm lost...which Bible are you talking about? ;-)
very good point that - genuinely
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
I get the twist. Muslims are supposed to be (also "supposed" to be)
An easier to read verion http://www.alhewar.com/what_the_quran_really_says.htm
Of this
Save a life save all of humanity - Take a life - kill all of humanity
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Isla...-Humanity.aspx
What the Qur'an really says about killing the innocent
http://www.muhajabah.com/reallysays.htm
ISlamic extremists aren't called extremists for nothin. They are extremely wrong even about their own faith.
Brainwashed by the evil to be full of cruelty and hate.
The bits about the different types of Jihad are interesting too.
Is there a coloring book version ?
'Cause I saw that
and I wondered if....
"Mayol, it's like the Canterbury Crusaders fans, but under steroids !" Andrew Mehrtens 2007
Why yes, there are...
Firstly there's:
The Old School Testament
The New Kids on the Block Testament
There's:
The King James and the giant Peach
The King James II
The King James Easy Reader
The Sweet Baby James
And the all time favourite for the travelling family on holidays:
The Gideon's Giggleton's Rainbow Reader.
The list goes on...The variety is immense - Try Eason's
In all seriousness, the idea that a true understanding of the historical nature of the bible is primarily blocked by atheist indifference is pretty laughable.
Most atheists I know have a significantly better understanding of the historical origins of the text than religious believers.
The deeply stupid man you worked with is not a representative sample.
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
Agressive atheists and Jesus shunners and the thick ignorant have always been around. Reminds me of that scene in Ben-Hur when Jesus is giving the sermon on the mount and he's too thick ignorant to even stop to give a listen. I mean...What else are you up to that's so frickin urgent in the middle of the dessert!? Which brings me to that Charlantan Heston in general!...aheragh...never mind.
Which brings me to another point of interest. Apparently the "Sermon on the Mount" was when Jesus went up a proper fricken mountain with his posse to have a pow-wow (a sit down with the goodfellahs). It wasn't a public address on a little frickin hill! (According to the record).
See people make shit up all the time. Which is why people start ignoring things. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't pay attention and learn something!
you know the muppet who did that is asking for royalties!!! I'd be ashamed of my 7 year old producing that when painting over what was already thereIs there a coloring book version ?
'Cause I saw that
and I wondered if....
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
I didn't actually say atheist indifference I said that the dismissal of the religious side led to the concept that the bible had nothing to offer historically either. And I'm saying that from the perspective of having actually studied ancient history through a sea of accepted history that made it clear texts like the bible were for religion and had no value. Thankfully in the last couple of decades a re-evaluation of that approach has led to some very interesting historical study born from taking a religion ignoring view of the bible as a source of oral traditions. I'm glad you know so many atheists who bother to know something about it. I know a huge tide of people who are nothing in particular (not even committed enough to be atheist) who dismiss the bible as nothing but fairy stories and simply don't get that it wasn't created as a way of forcing a religion to spread but as a memory of the traditions of a people. Meaning that there's something there to be found.
Also although I didn't say that the idiot was representative (just funny), you are assuming that people you know are, yet all either of us are going on is our own experience, not some kind of properly conducted research.
Last edited by Evil Omer; 21st-September-2012 at 19:08.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
But it wasn't atheism that led to a failure to study the historical sources of the bible - it was religion. And wishing that it was won't make it so.
Humanists have been insisting on the man made nature of the bible for decades. It has been religious belief that has insisted that it is something more than the cobbled together teachings of centuries.
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
In the name of 'religion' many wrongs are done.
In the name of atheism perhaps even more harm has been done (communism).
Not to mention other tyrannies (nazism etc).
The true teachings of the great religions preach love. Which people find hard to practice.
Latter day atheists seem to have a big chip on their shoulders and an odd zeal to blame theists for the world's ills.
Seeing as a creator cannot either be proved or disproved by their criteria of proof it would be reasonable to have an open mind on the issue.
Last edited by MrsMcGahan; 22nd-September-2012 at 07:52.
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I like to visualise Satan as pinhead lanky French referee.
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Silly talk. It's not like atheism is a political platform which is built on a religious zeal, like the Taliban say, or the Tea Party. Most religious folk understand how crazy their religion is and live lives dissociated from it, dipping in every now and then. The few who practice what they preach are generally regarded as dangerous nutters. They are considered extremist becuase they think the bible or Koran should be taken seriously. So the next time a load of kids are blown to smithereens by a teenage suicide bomber, as happened last week, or an Arab farm is destroyed to make way for an illegal settlement, remember that's what happens when people do what their holy book says on the tin.
Last edited by rathbaner; 22nd-September-2012 at 09:07.
For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
You sound a bit extreme yourself Rathbaner.
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No. I understand you can see different views to your own as extreme. But I also see that You're objecting to my opinion, not the Truth as revealed in some book, therefore I will not be murdering you or attacking the embassy of your country or be banning your daughters from using contraception or some other bull**** us non religious types have to live with all our lives. So no. I am not extreme. Actually I'm incredibly tolerant of your lot.
Last edited by rathbaner; 22nd-September-2012 at 09:08.
For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
This bit from the Life of Pi reaally stuck with me when I read it years ago...
“It was my first clue that atheists are my brothers and sisters of a different faith. Like me, they go as far as the legs of reason will carry them - and then they leap. I'll be honest about it. It is not atheists who get stuck in my craw, but agnostics. Doubt is useful for awhile. We must all pass through the garden of Gethsemane. If Christ played with doubt, so must we. If Christ spent an anguished night in prayer, if He burst out from the Cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" then surely we are also permitted doubt. But we must move on. To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation.”
― Yann Martel, Life of Pi
And then they leap...
I don't know how you classify my spiritual and belief "system"...I don't profess there is not a "god" (sure we can barely see half-way across our own galaxy let alone to the edge of the petri dish we may be in). I do tend to be of the rather firm opinion that the "gods" as previously and currently depicted are not even close to what It/they really are...Like I'm fairly certain it's not an old man with a beard! But we are limited - we create images and explanations for the unseeable and inexplicable - we go as far as the legs of reason will carry us - then we leap.
No. Subtle difference is - They are not doing what it says on the tin. See my post above about the Qu'ran. They are not following the cooking instructions correctly. They are twisting the prescriptions into a perverted version to suit their evil campaigns - Be they Christian...Muslim...whatever....THese things are most certainly NOT "by the book"
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