Inability to win our own LO ball was what killed any chance of a performance . Forwards strolling to the LO , running around b4 throw which removes our 2 Jumper and leaves only one option a blind man could have read our LO . Add in Sherry's slow lobbed throw and everything done at as slow a pace as possible, shambles . And where is our forwards coach ? The few times we secured our own throw in an attacking position we went through some phases and scored . Absolute basic win your own ball .
One thing that should be noted was ROG was often standing much flatter. It may come, and he wasn't bad; kicked well. However, with him, we need a hammer 12 and a back-row carrier, both of which we did not have tonight. I do wonder if Dineen and/or Barnes might do better.Originally Posted by joeriddick
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If Penney's teams are still producing it in three years time I doubt he'll be feeling much love.
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I was saying he needed time at the start of the season but he has gotten plenty of it and hasn't done anything worth mentioning with it. He is an average player at best I'm afraid. Might be a bit late with regards the sarries game to blood Sheridan in but who knows. I reckon Stringer will get the nod in Muzzer to see if he can find some of the form we know he has. In the mean time we just have to hope and pray that Murray doesn't get injured on Intnl duty.
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I mentioned the lack of lock options when the Irish lads would be away,looks like I was right.
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Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
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Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
More or less my feelings on the topic.
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I'd still say that could be ring rust for Strings. He was playing well for Falcons at the end of last season.
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He wasn't bad - it's just that slow ball + O'Gara = zero overlaps and zero space. So overall he had a negative effect on the performance.
With Murray, a big bull of a backrow and Downey on the field O'Gara's weaknesses are compensated for. That's the only combination that will work with the O'Gara of 2012 at this point.
He's still a viable HEC starter IMO but only under those criteria.
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Nagle was excellent in that last 20 minutes. Can any of our resident expertstell us if the multiple messups prior to his coming on were the result of bad throws or poor lifts? Anyway, he should be started at the next game just to give Sherry/Varley some confidence.
Forget who made the smart arse comments about TOD earlier on but he played very well as did our 12/13 axis of Keatley and Casey-mostly defending!
Archer showed what he can do with a half decent ref (although we got away with that last scrun in our 22-ref got that one wrong). And LOD had a great game on the wing.
We could have won that game by 20 or lost it-just like the Racing game. But we won. I just hope Dougall isn't too badly hurt, Any updates?
So, hard luck to Cardiff. They were really gutted by the loss but played with pride so well done to them( and to Huwie and blueboys-ye probably deserved the win on your second half performance and I like the cut of your dreadlocks captain tonight. The season will definitely improve for you)
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I think the real key there is an inside runner of a backrow who can hit inside shoulders of a rush defence by running off ROG lying flat. Shooting up at 13 stretches gaps to be hit there, and forces a defence to have to choose. Butler plus Stander, maybe?
Hurley coming into the line would also help immensely. Felix didn't offer that, IMO, despite the midfield options you would have hoped he'd exploit.
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No Balla...just no.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
No question that he's not the player he was. But he put in better performances than that six months ago.
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"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
It's reasonable, given how much better he got with game-time, to wonder if it is rust.
'Cause if it ain't, we are as goosed as a foie gras factory.
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Out of the first choice pack, Munster had Sherry and Dougall, which was quickly reduced to just Sherry. It was understandable that with so many changes the cohesion would be a bit off. They struggled to put phases together and to produce quick ball, which resulted in a lot of kicking and a few yardage losses. The problems at the lineout made any territorial victories temporary, and there were loads of turnovers for knock-ons and badly protected ball. The referee didn't help either, allowing fringe defenders to loiter offside and counter-ruckers to interfere with the scrum halves. Considering it was such a bad and error-strewn performance, I have to say I'm ecstatic with the win. It keeps Munster in touch at the top, and with 3 weeks before the next game, there's plenty of time to fix the evident problems.
We always stink the place out in Cardiff as far as I can remember.
Most depressing thing is Sherry, I think. WTF is it that starting does to his throwing? He came on against Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago and was hitting the back jumper at will.
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"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
Felix was poor enough tonight actually. There wasn't any space for him to hit a lot of the time so it cut down on his main strength. Stander/Butler/Murray/Downey would allow O'Gara the space and time to play his game without narrowing down the time margins for those outside him.
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Thing is, Joe, I don't remember him offering himself to pull space for others, either. I may well be wrong, and it may be clear on review he was working hard off the ball, but that was the impression I got.
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Felix won't start for Ireland. I think Cardiff centered on Holland for obvious reasons.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
after 2 games it would be madness to pitch him into a game with the most physical team in the world.
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Both himself and Varley are great off the bench but neither seem capable of doing it from the start. One of them will have to step up and put in a solid 80min performance and I don't really care which one it is so long as one of them does it.
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Worked a treat
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Wonder would it be worth soundinfg out Cronin and try to get him to come gome instead of warming the bench out east,Well send Varley up to replace him!!
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Was slated on Strauss thread by the experts for saying sherrys darts have to improve.
Sherry did last week, but with better options. That, plus the improvement when Nagle came on, makes me wonder if a lot of it wasn't being caused by slow lifts/jumps being picked off. Sherry's best throw is a fast, arced lob that puts a jumper on a fast lift clear of the opposition, but any slow lob is vulnerable to a good counter-jump.
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I thought a good young side particularly up front were let down at key moments by senior backs who should know better, Strings telegraphed box kick, ROG dumb yellow, a fullback catching an easy ball in his own 22 and launching a suicidal up and under, generally pretty happy, tough decisions ahead for Penny regarding ROG, Strings and an ineffective Howlett imo
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On the plus side, we are now consistently duffing up the weaker scrums. We may be flat-track bullies, but we're no longer flat-track bullied. That changes perception, and that'll stand to us.
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Dougie's a worry. I don't see that he's doing anything to keep O'Dea out.
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"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
He had one crooked throw, iirc, the rest were down to various systems failures. At the risk of giving the guy a break, it's probably easier to throw to a pack containing POC, DOC, Ryan and POM than a pack who haven't played that much together.
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It's worth remembering Jones might be 25 but he's played less than 40 professional games, he's experienced but not that experienced. Still think Hurley has to be ahead of him for now though.
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