Answer:Originally Posted by joeriddick
You join the less than orderly queue to have his babies..
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You join the less than orderly queue to have his babies..
Some here would explode with rage.
So have Varley or Sherry or others been whining then.....I must have missed that. I very much think we should stick to Irish players for our international team. Do these foreign players have to become citizens to become eligble or just live and play here for a period of time.
Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford
The "quit whining"is to "to whom it may concern" player or no...
Under IRB rules players not capped at Senior or A / Sevens team level for another country are eligeble to play for a country other than their country of origin if they have resided in same continuously for three years.
Strauss will be eligible for Irish citizenship in two further years time...
Last edited by Sea_point; 24th-October-2012 at 18:08.
The IRB rules are based on residency of 3 years, irish citizenship requires at least 5 years residency and in the past wouldn't complete processing until 7 years of residency had been completed.
I've consistently stated my complaints about the IRB rules, I don't think 3 yrs residency is sufficient AND I happen to think that if a player has reached citizenship in a new country through a change in circumstances they should be allowed to become eligible for that new country e.g. Warwick living here for 5+ years and marrying an irish woman either of which could have gotten him citizenship. BUT I do understand that the IRB had to strike a balance in the eligibility rules between wanting to give lesser nations the chance to bring in players who may not get citizenship in their new country (e.g. Japan) & also to try to stop a potential pay for play tactics on past players in the top nations e.g. stopping england buying their entire squad from NZ 2 cap All blacks. ( A bit facetious I know but you should get the drift)
Plato: \"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.\"
I'd love to know how the Anti-Strauss posters would react. Would they celebrate and then reign themselves in? Would they celebrate and then go "f*ck it I don't care anymore"? Would they refuse to celebrate? Would they even be watching in the first place?
I'm interested to see how deep the principle goes.
Last edited by joeriddick; 24th-October-2012 at 18:41.
To The Brave and the Faithful, Nothing is Unpublishable.
Well, I've been Munster first, Ireland second for a long time which is probably why I see this for the farce it is. 2009 was great but it didn't come close to matching 2006 or 2008 for me. Actually, I think it was that realisation that finally sealed my Munster first viewpoint, it just didn't matter as much.
I'd like to care more about the Irish side, but nationalism of all hues is nonsense, tbh.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Well if that scrum half was Kyran Bracken, certainly.
I'd be of the same mindset - I've said before on here that Ireland is a distant second for me.
If Strauss plays for Ireland and does well then fair play to him. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with it.
To The Brave and the Faithful, Nothing is Unpublishable.
Its funny some are crititising IRFU for going down this route by picking a player who seems to care more about playing for his adopted home than they seem to care about shouting for their own national team.
yeah well if right was right an Irish team would be made up of Irish players and an English team made up of English its the only criteria that makes sense. Living in a country for 3 yrs should hardly qualify you. Anyway as several have said on here, team Ireland is pretty much a secondary consideration. Good luck to Strauss, if he doesnt have the ambition to play for his own country sure he can always play for ours.The "quit whining"
Under IRB rules players not capped at Senior or A / Sevens team level for another country are eligeble to play for a country other than their country of origin if they have resided in same continuously for three years.
Strauss will be eligible for Irish citizenship in two further years time...
Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford
Is he the first project player to play for Ireland? Is Wilkinson qualified by parentage?
I hope he doesn't have to endure this level of passive-aggressive bullsh!t when he's out there risking permanent serious injury for your country.
To The Brave and the Faithful, Nothing is Unpublishable.
But is provincialism (supporting Munster because thats where you're from) not the same as nationalism on a smaller scale? Then what about all the outsiders playing for munster? (i think you've addressed this issue before but i can't rememeber your response, there has been many threads of a similar theme after all).
Hold on Joe....I have nothing against Strauss, he's a fine player. My point is that In my opinion International sport is about representing your country at the highest level. Being able to choose which country you represent doesn't do it for me and in my opinion makes a joke of international sport. If ever I was good enough I would have loved to play for Ireland.....I would not want to play for Chile or South Africa or such like. Not bull**** just an honest opinion. If he gets to play for Ireland, good luck to him and I will cheer him on.
Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford
No, time served same as Strauss....
If he "doesn't have the ambition" to play for his own country? He's chosen to play for Ireland. Nobody held a gun to his head. He's chosen to do so under his own free will. Snide remarks about his "lack of ambition" is unfair on the guy.
To The Brave and the Faithful, Nothing is Unpublishable.
Jesus, there are more tools on this website at times than there are in the Xmas Special of the Machine Mart Catalogue!
Anyway, looking forward to seeing you in the green of Ireland soon Mr Strauss!
Some people seriously need to look in the mirror here. Of all teams to be querying if it was desirable that a person who is not a fully paid up citizen and passport holder should not be playing, well then yer daft. Ireland have had players who considered themselves other than Irish or carried passports of another country, even some who were born here. It's not too complicated but carrying a green (or now EU passport........) doesn't make him any more or less of an Irish team member.
This might be illuminating to a few: http://www.independent.ie/sport/othe...y-3266373.html
But then it may not be.........
He is eligible - no doubt on that, he says he wants to play. If he's good enough pick him, if not pick someone else better. Simple.
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Oh and in case you hadn't noticed, this is now our flag http://www.flags.net/images/largeflags/EUUN0001.GIF
And for those of you being picky on anthems, I just hope he can hum 'Ode an die Freude'..........
Feel pretty much the same since first Eddie "The Dagger" and then Wor Deccie took charge and showed their vision of Irish rugby.
How Irish sides can achieve five HEC's and at International level one HEC and a couple of Inter-Toto's in the same period.....
No doubt it is, but for most, following sport isn't a logical choice, it certainly isn't for me anyhow. I guess I've never been insecure enough in Irishness to have to embrace it all costs.
That being said, International rugby is a joke, NZ'ers playing for Oz, SA players playing for England and Ireland. Scotland will probably have a dutchman and a kiwi on the wing in the 6 nations, Italy no doubt will have a few nationalities on their team.
Strauss may go on to be Leinster's Andy Ward, making a new life for himself up here, or he could be O'Cuinnegain, who's been fairly hands off Irish rugby since he finished up.
I think I share Le Puc's view on it, when Italy played Argentina he knew he was playing for the wrong country and he retired from Int rugby soon afterwards. I could never anything but Irish, I wouldn't want to play for someone against Ireland, I hate the idea of someone lining out for Ireland wishing SA had chosen him instead.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Tbf, he doesn't have the ability to play for SA, we're his silver medal. Could have been anyone with a professional contract to give him.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
I am not going to get involved in the whole who is irish, who isn't discussion for obvious reasons, but I would suggest that Strauss might well have looked at Chilliboy Rapalele being on the bench for South Africa and thought that something other than ability might be preventing his having a career playing rugby for the springboks.
I would also suggest that people think long and hard before they condemn a white south african as a mercenary because he doesn't want to live in his country any more; I am sure we have all heard enough horror stories about SA crime etc to realise that these things are rarely that simple.
I'd be pretty disappointed to see himself out, for many if the reasons touched on above.
The point of international sport is to represent your country.
It's distinct from a club, or even from a province in this day and age.
To say that nationality isn't important seems to lose the question "then why bother?"
To answer JoeRiddick's question, my gut reaction is that I've no interest in watching an Irish team with Strauss (or any other project player) on it.
Not sure how that will play out closer to the time, but for now my sense is that if Ireland goes down this route then I no longer have an interest in international rugby.
It's generally ****e anyway.
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
They're no more refugees than the Aussies and Kiwis falling out of the walkabout with them.
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
Again though, that's hard lines. Part of the point of International rugby is our best guys going up against your best guys, not the best guys we can buy in.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
could he join the Irish army? what's the qualifications? I thought had to be a citizen (which Strauss doesn't have to be to play rugby for Ireland).
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Think that is very sweeping BB. The same could have been said about 'The shepherd and flock', around the corner, over the last hundred years. There are people who have got out of SA for some fairly serious reasons. Strauss might not fit into that bracket but people feel the need to emigrate for a myriad of reasons and I think it is too easy and lazy to simply label the man mercenary. That is not to touch on his irishness Or not BTW.
Last edited by the plastic paddy; 25th-October-2012 at 05:54.
The funny thing is I agree, but that was not my point and my plasticity means I don't consider it my business to get into that argument. I just think people are being very quick to fire some harsh labels onto the lad.
appears he could serve:
I am not an Irish citizen. Can I join the Irish Defence Forces?You can apply for General Service in the Defence Forces as a European Union citizen or a citizen of one of the European Economic Area countries. If you do not meet either of these criteria you may apply if:
- You are a refugee under the Refugee Act 1996 or,
- A National of another State who are lawfully present in Ireland and have 3 years legal and unbroken residency, must be in possession of a work permit and must have security clearance.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
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