Nowhere. I was responding to JR's ceist.. : did I think him becoming a citizen would pass muster.Originally Posted by blackwarrior
To me, it should be minimum.
Nowhere. I was responding to JR's ceist.. : did I think him becoming a citizen would pass muster.
To me, it should be minimum.
http://www.thescore.ie/john-andress-...um=twitterjohn andress interview on his view of prop situation in Ireland.
“You can do all the scrummaging training in the world and playing in the (Ulster Bank League) and A games and that, but if you’re not getting exposure against top level props then you’re not going to learn.
- Andress...
You hear this time and again, from people who know..
Does it mean that we only need to give game time to
archer/ryan/cotter to bring them on?
If so, BJ/Afoa be gone
There's a strong history of propping in ireland, munster, limerick.
I'd like to maintain it personally. Gordon wood, clifford, clohessy:
world class.
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How long has BJB got left?
End this season WDP the end of next season
In which case he should not be anywhere near any of the November squads, it must be Archer, Ryan, Cotter and Condon. And the same applies for the six nations break. Actually thought Archer did quite well on friday night.
I have a feeling that BJ my be staying on again next season.
While Bent is qualified, bit of a shame to see him stepping off the plane into a jersey when a guy like Andress is ignored.
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,2...204595,00.html This week we will mostly be concerning ourselves with the three-year rule, the need for a single global disciplinary body and the coming around of the gone around...We are not entirely sure what has suddenly brought the issue to prominence as it's been a bugbear for some for yonks, but the issue of the three-year residency rule now needs to be looked at as a matter of urgency.England's call-up of Mako Vunipola appears to have finally cracked the ring-pull on the can of worms, but there have been disgruntled utterings for donkey's years about New Zealand's tribal gathering, as well as Australia's.The English would appear to have been the most brazen about it all, should the accusations levelled at them by Fiji coach Inoke Mali prove to be founded. The French are supposedly not far behind.Most disturbing is the accusation that the unions and clubs are luring teenagers across the globe to their academies*accusations levelled at them by Fiji coach Inoke Mali; and with the networks among the ranks of the pros, not to mention the money available, growing by the day, the whole process is not going to stop unless better regulated.But the question always to be asked is not*if*the three-year rule could be altered to protect the interests of tier two - we know the answer to that one and always have - but*how.Well, we certainly think you could change the rule to only permit people allowed*passportsof their adopted country to play for that country. That way you stop people heading over in their early twenties - such as Mouritz Botha - and using up the spots in a national squad to which they simply have no right to, spots for which born citizens would give their eye teeth to be filling.However, it would also allow the flexibility for someone like Toby Faletau, who has been in Wales since the age of seven and is now naturalised, to play for the country he has grown up in. Obviously there's a conflict of interest for people born in a country but who have never lived there, but maybe here you could invoke a three-year residency clause?That's one suggestion. We are sure there are others. But one thing's for sure, when you have - as Male claims - people born to parents of country A, in country A, and growing up in country A all with realisable ambitions of playing for country B, you have a system which is doing nothing whatsoever to protect the interests of the smaller nations who work hard to.You also have national identities for sale, naive teenagers being whisked across the world to a future far from certain and places in a national squad at the very highest level up for sale rather than for privilege. We don't think that is what international rugby should be all about...
Sorry for lack of paragraphs^^^ link attached easier to read
As we're paying these lads to feel a sense of honour and pride when wearing the green jersey, I'll be disappointed if we don't get floods of manly, John Hayes tears when they line up for the anthems. A short spiel about how the craic is mighty and the scenery wonderful in the after-match interviews wouldn't go amiss either.
Mabe a short flag with an ode to him ala bod is god, sextons on fire,i propose
​I AM BENT KNEEL BEFORE ME.
​GWAN BENT TIS YOUR SHOWER
Got Bent?
I am the million man.
loved it
I hope you're right about that.
So do I
'tis a win-win! Picking Strauss to play against the Saffers means that they'll have to change their Afrikaans lineout calls.
Then, after Ireland have beaten the 'boks and ensured that we are in the top 8 in the IRB rankings for the RWC draw, Kidney discards Strauss and recalls Cronin thereby cheering up Molloy, Balla and all of their xenophobic fellow travellers.
Yet more evidence of the Cork cutehoor's ligindary foxlike cunning?
I'm supportive of capping Strauss but this Bent business seems very against the spirit of the international game. Has this lad been to Ireland before? Does he even know what amhran na bhfiann is or what the Aviva looks like? Has he met Kidney before?
I hope he's not capped, not Irish to me.
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/r...rs-212427.html"Michael Bent qualifies on the basis of his grandmother on his mother’s side who grew up in Rathmines and served in the British Army over in Wales where she met her husband who had joined the New Zealand Air Force and was stationed in Wales. He is the holder of an Irish passport and his sister Kim was an entrant in the Taranaki Rose of Tralee contest a number of years ago. She plays the tin whistle and has been living in Dublin for a number of years."
Irish grandmother, sister lives in Dublin and ex Rose of Tralee contestant so obviously Irish is important in the family and has claimed Ireland and Spain are his favourite holiday destination...how is that not Irish???
He should have said Inch,we would all have been sold with that.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Yep, its as Irish as O'Bama.
Never been here before but he is Irish?
...in what way will you feel more Irish if you force me to give up my feeling of being British? - David Ervine
And apparently, despite never being before, it's his favourite holiday destination.
Then again, so far he's been staying at Carton House, which is a nice place to spend a holiday.
Ah yes, anybody who wants to preserve international sport is really just a xenophobe. We're all just anti-saffer racists deep down.
Sing along OD "Imagine there's no countries. It's easy if you try. Nothing fight or play for. Except a big pot of cash."
Seemingly, Irishness is losing its global popularity:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...325868423.html
(I assume that the Bent family have bought theirs!)
More light-heartedly: LINK
They should be compulsory, as should being able to make your own brown bread.
So it's all about "preserving international sport", is it? Fantastic!
In its own way that's an objective almost as idealistic and visionary as John Gormley and his Green Fools coalescing with Fianna Fáil in order to "save the planet" - or Martin Ferris and his mates importing semtex and guns in order to free Ireland from 800 years of English oppression!
You're a latter-day hero! May I be so bold as to suggest that you consider a hunger strike in support of this uplifting and admirable aspiration?
Stop playing the moral superiority card and answer a couple of direct questions:
If international sides are no longer representative and there's effectively a transfer market, what's the point in international sport? How is it any different to the club game?
How can you claim to belong to and represent a country you've never lived in and look upon as a "holiday destination". It's insulting.
It's fine being proud of your roots and heritage, it's not fine confusing that with your identity and thinking you're one of the people of this land.
Thats a load of cobblers. I have an Australian friend whose grandparents were Irish, came on a visit and never went back to Australia because she felt more at home here than in Australia. Seems Michael Bent's sister is very settled in Ireland. As for the comment about the holiday destination - usual Q&A player quesetions - was probably framed "favourite holiday destination". Another question might have been Favourite food.
We owe these people something - their grandparents had to leave this country because there was nothing here for them. Many of them sent money back home which enabled this generation to thrive and prosper and throw it all away.
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