I lambasted someone here last month for suggesting he'd be picked,
what with our existing wealth of quality hookers in ireland.
Now he's in the squad.
This makes me puke, I have to say.
Ditto with Tom Court.
I lambasted someone here last month for suggesting he'd be picked,
what with our existing wealth of quality hookers in ireland.
Now he's in the squad.
This makes me puke, I have to say.
Ditto with Tom Court.
Just another in a series of steps to make international rugby meaningless.Originally Posted by mtcmolloy
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Totally agree with you wilbur. Down with those foreign feck bags.
Why on earth would you want to play for another country other than your country of birth? unless you had very stong family generational links
There Rice krispie cakes not buns
Hell yeah. Feck off back to America ROG.
When things go wrong, blame McGahan
same with lots of irish players, heaslip e.g.
But three years is too short, imho. I think it's really sh!tty on the likes of sherry , varley. Irish guys. They must be PI$$ED OFF
O'Gara and Heaslip were born overseas to Irish parents and grew up here. Strauss arrived 3 years ago, are you seriously comparing both situations?
And send CJ Stander back before he even arrives.
"They’re the benchmark that everyone else has to raise their game to meet." Alan Quinlan on Leinster
Money I suppose, makes you marketable? It'll be a fun thing to laugh about back in SA, "remember that time I wasn't good enough to play for here so I went off somewhere else with lower standards, good times, good times".
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
And don't talk to me about Keith Gleeson, or Frankie Sheehan for that matter.
When things go wrong, blame McGahan
Virtually no one wants Stander to play for Ireland, iirc, most of us want him to play for SA if he's good enough.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Timmy and Dave might play for the states, presumably that is completely wrong too.
I don't agree with him playing. But the issue is not now, it was whenever we instigated the project player system. Iirc Jeremy Manning played Ireland A.
And to be fair the nadir was Brian Smith, nothig will ever touch that for mercenariness and lack of loyalty.
...in what way will you feel more Irish if you force me to give up my feeling of being British? - David Ervine
I agree with the sentiment, but for the provinces to offer a young player a 'Project' contract would be meaningless unless Strauss actually gets a chance to win his cap as he is the 2nd best hooker in the country at present.
Why someone who clearly sees themselves as a different nationality would want to represent another country is another kettle of metaphors.
Manning played with the Irish university side. Almost certain he never got an A cap.
The Ryan's have an American mother, it's a different sort of tenous connection, imo.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
What like Rory McIlroy?
"They’re the benchmark that everyone else has to raise their game to meet." Alan Quinlan on Leinster
You mean the guy that was born in NI and wants to represent the place he was born in?
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Does Strauss have an Irish passport?
Nice to see some of us still stuck in the dark ages!!!
Understood Joey. My point is though that he is a project player brought over here on the promise that if he stays three years he qualifies for selection for the National side if he is good enough. In other words exactly the same as Strauss.
I read a very good interview Nacewa gave in the Irish Times last season before the world cup. He was born and raised in New Zealand and at a fairly young age, on the eve of a world cup, he was contacted by the then Fijian coach and asked would he declare for Fiji. He did and a 15 minute appearance at the world cup and his international career was over. The point I'm making is that International Rugby remains the highest standard of play there is and if a player wants to further their playing career to moving to a country where thay can get selection for that National side is within the rules, then so be it. Personally I don't like it very much but if we win a grandslam this year and Strauss is wearing the No 2 shirt I will cheer him along with all the other players. Equally if CJ Stander ends up playing for Ireland I will cheer for him too.
"They’re the benchmark that everyone else has to raise their game to meet." Alan Quinlan on Leinster
I predict naught but rational debate in this thread.
Governments don't ask themselves "what can we do that is good for the people?". They ask themselves "how do we persuade people that what we want to do is good for them?".
Strauss is Irish qualified. I can't see the issue.
p.s. He's no Tony Cascarino.
Last edited by John Cooper Clarke; 24th-October-2012 at 15:29.
How foolish was he to do that?
Thank jebus the squads are not picked based on this thread. He qualifies so therefore is elgible, whether it gains approval here or not. Should Doug bugger of because he is not from Cork
Why bother cheering an Irish team if it openly admits to not caring if you're Irish to play in it?
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
He represented Ireland at youth and junior level and has recently sparked a row when asked would he play for Ireland or Great Britain in the Olympics next time round. He said he always felt more British than Irish. I've no problem with that but it does go to show the complexities that national identity can throw up from time to time.
"They’re the benchmark that everyone else has to raise their game to meet." Alan Quinlan on Leinster
Should they dance a jig or reel to prove their authenticity?
Why bother cheering a Munster team for the same reason?
Because I care. I care deeply about my nationality and if someone, following the rules, qualifies to play for my country I will back them. Put it another way Strauss could join the Irish army, go to war and be killed serving our country. Why then shouldn't he be able to play rugby for Ireland.
"They’re the benchmark that everyone else has to raise their game to meet." Alan Quinlan on Leinster
I thought I had read somewhere that Nacewa was asked by the Fijian management to make himself available for the last world cup and he had turned them down?
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
Perhaps he eventually copped on that he'd made an ass of himself previously?
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