Munster v Zebre 26th Oct Team named post 59

[the_dazz]

The one thing that really bothered me about last night is that without Paulie, we really don't seem to possess a defensive lineout!! They were rarely troubled on their own throw in, except by the crowd that is

Ive noticed this year that POM is being used way less as a defender in the lineout. Last year he was doing a good job defending at the front but this year he doesnt seem to be doing it as much.

[Paddy Whac]

	Scrum (Reset)	Pen (Shot at Goal)	Lineout	Free Kick	Totals	Scores
1st Qtr	7 (4)	7 (2)	6	1	21
2nd Qtr	6 (1)	6 (3)	5		17	3 - 3
3rd Qtr	5	5	6		16	14 -0
Final Qtr	5 (2)	6	3		14	12 -0
Total	23 (7)	24 (5)	20		68	29 -3
Munster	15 (5)	14 (2)	9		38
Zebre	8 (2)	10 (3)	11	1	30

A breakdown of all the breaks in play per quarter. looking at the first 20 mins it's no wonder there was no score the play was stopped for most of it
Munster had another lineout but it was overturned for a penalty after a bit of a scrap on the sideline.

[Thomond78]

Paddy, that's a cracking analytical tool. Any chance of keeping a series of them?

[Paddy Whac]

Paddy, that's a cracking analytical tool. Any chance of keeping a series of them?

Thanks but that took about 2 hours today when I had the TV all on my own and I dont get that opportunity too often ;(

Edited to add - Maybe someone could offer to to do it for a particular game and then post them here on a Stats thread?

[McCloud]

Thanks but that took about 2 hours today when I had the TV all on my own and I dont get that opportunity too often ;(

Edited to add - Maybe someone could offer to to do it for a particular game and then post them here on a Stats thread?

Nice one Paddy Whac. Something worth looking into.

[Bickley]

Hi, any one got a spare programme from last night. I will of course pay any costs involved. Thanks.

[99_oK?]

I remember that passage - it's the perfect example of what Penney wants. Most of the opposition to "forwards on the wing" is the apparent positional irony that those four words convey and the dissonance that this supposed upside down thinking creates when compared with "Glorious Successful Munster of Ye Olden Tymes". I get this in a way, I mean, "forwards on the wing" sounds a bit like "wingers in the scrum" if you choose to interpret it in black and white terms.

I think if people started to look at it in terms of "forwards securing the wide channels, making the opposition play where they don't want to and searching for ball carrying mismatches" it would create a lot less confusion.

That's the one I remember working (mentioned above..) too; but I'm still not totally convinced he would not have been better doing it up the middle. In any case we scored off that one and it could be crucial later on in the year.

For years Puppy was derided (mainly by the D4.5 lot....) for loitering on the wing; I can even remember Micko scoring a very important try out on the wing (NE corner.....). Oh, and we already do "wingers in the scrum" - I mean joe, do you not think Dougie is already a signed-in member of our b-row...? One of our strongest scrum pushes of the year....! Where have you been all along....

[99_oK?]

Thanks but that took about 2 hours today when I had the TV all on my own and I dont get that opportunity too often ;(

Edited to add - Maybe someone could offer to to do it for a particular game and then post them here on a Stats thread?

I had nearly the same time in front of the other TV (Istanbul tennis was on d'other....); but I might need training to do the analytical.

Well done though. Interesting stats.

[mtcmolloy]

I remember one passage of play in the first half last night. A ball came at Ryan at a decent height and it ended up going through his hands and bouncing off his chest. That kind of thing must kill Penney. Our system can only work when forwards are more likely to catch and offload then they are to fumble and knock on.

ryan is inclined to do that.. despite improviing geometrically since getting capped.. not a natural ball handler

[Hugged Rugger]

While I'm very optimistic about a lot of what I'm seeing this season my main worry is that this run them into submission stuff for 50 odd minutes is fine against inferior or similar opposition when we have possession, but when we're going into half time having been outplayed at the breakdown and were 10 points down I hope we have a suitable tactic to compensate

[Piquet]

Oh, and we already do "wingers in the scrum" - I mean joe, do you not think Dougie is already a signed-in member of our b-row...? One of our strongest scrum pushes of the year....! Where have you been all along....

And the Ladies has a Scrum half at Blindside tonight.

[99_oK?]

And the Ladies has a Scrum half at Blindside tonight.

Saw that; actually réiteor said it was openside......

Well done Mr. Boss...!

[joconnell]

ryan is inclined to do that.. despite improviing geometrically since getting capped.. not a natural ball handler

Oddly enough I'd think he's far better skilled than paulie and doc. The younger forwards seem far better coached in it. Oddly enough buckley had great hands too.

[onthe 22]

Oddly enough I'd think he's far better skilled than paulie and doc. The younger forwards seem far better coached in it. Oddly enough buckley had great hands too.

Very true and overlooked point.
But his bread and butter trade description (TH) was poor.
Whether that was coaching is another question.

[<BM>]

Very true and overlooked point.
But his bread and butter trade description (TH) was poor.
Whether that was coaching is another question.

Buckley is a very skillful player, he was just too heavy to be lifted as a second row, not fast enough for a back row and that left him as a prop who couldn't scrummage.

[MrsMcGahan]

ryan is inclined to do that.. despite improviing geometrically since getting capped.. not a natural ball handler

'geometrically'?

hhmmm...........

Ryan's Lineout Theorem: The shortest distance between 2 sides in a lineout is inversely proportional to the specific gravity of the ref's warnings.

[Paddy Whac]

Is this a record? - one team has 100% possession, also we scored 4 tries but only convert 3, we missed 1 pen and they missed 2 and still 100% kicking stats.From espnscrum.com

Munster		Zebre
4	Tries
3 from 3	Conversion goals	0 from 0
1 from 1	Penalty goals	1 from 1
100.0%	Kick at goal success	100.0%
	Dropped goals
Kick/pass/run
13	Kicks from hand	8
185	Passes	81
84	Runs	52
352	Metres run with ball	167
Attacking
100%	Possession	0%
5	Clean breaks	2
11	Defenders beaten	2
4	Offloads	7
68 from 73 (93.2%)	Rucks won	40 from 48 (83.3%)
0 from 0	Mauls won	0 from 0
9	Turnovers conceded	16
Defensive
50/2	Tackles made/missed	83/11
96.2%	Tackling success rate	88.3%
Set pieces
10 won, 3 lost (76.9%)	Scrums on own feed	6 won, 2 lost (75.0%)
12 won, 1 lost (92.3%)	Lineouts on own throw	9 won, 2 lost (81.8%)
Discipline
11	Penalties conceded	15
0/0	Yellow/red cards	0/0

[mtcmolloy]

'geometrically'?

hhmmm...........

yup. 2.21 here was what inspired my choice of word. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTeK1...eature=related.
The season before, he'd dropped a heart breakingly simple pass in toulon during our HEC'11 exit. seemed like progress to me

[Paddy Whac]

Munster rugby have posted some photos from the game

[i_like_cake]

Did the Irish prop come on for Zabre..??
if yes, how did he play..?

[Ruck Em]

Did the Irish prop come on for Zabre..??
if yes, how did he play..?

Just to be consistent with the Strauss thread, he is American.

yes he came on, little impact.

[scotscor]

Just to be consistent with the Strauss thread, he is American.

yes he came on, little impact.

I thought he was great in the loose, he made at least one turnover and was involved in a few other things as well.

[NiallGK]

I missed the match on Friday night (I felt it was more in my interest to go for pints with my new employers to see whether I had passed my probation period).

No sign of it yet on the TG4 Player, anyone know when they normally put the matches up there?

P.S. I now have an indefinite contract.

[munstershane]

Great news Niall.

[lactose intolerant]

I missed the match on Friday night (I felt it was more in my interest to go for pints with my new employers to see whether I had passed my probation period).

No sign of it yet on the TG4 Player, anyone know when they normally put the matched up there?

P.S. I now have an indefinite contract.

on the match highlights thread, there's a link for the entire thing up on youtube!! HINT: Skip to about the 50 minute mark....

[NiallGK]

Thanks Larry, much obliged. Thanks Shane, I've not had a contract as challenging or as interesting within the five or six years. The great thing is that they pay good money.

[deadlyBuzz]

its definitely on the tg4 player, watched it this morning. only shows up as a 10 minute video though in case thats misleading you.?

[Thomond78]

Just watched the first 20 twice. We were twatting them in the scrum. There are about ten, including resets, and Archer goes over the midline every single one.

It is also a diabolically bad reffing performance. Inaccurate and inconsistent.

[the plastic paddy]

Ref ruined the game and kept the zebras competitive. I thought Archer completely split Perugini and the hooker and there only defence was illegally standing up, with a good ref Archer would have put perugini in the bin IMHO. Archer being pinged for not binding at one point was ridiculous as perugini was completely detached and pushing on his hip. Archer should be able to make hay against the blues on friday night although they will be better than they were in their pathetic display against Leinster.

[Paddy Whac]

ref ruined the game and kept the zebras competitive. I thought archer completely split perugini and the hooker and there only defence was illegally standing up, with a good ref archer would have put perugini in the bin imho. Archer being pinged for not binding at one point was ridiculous as perugini was completely detached and pushing on his hip. Archer should be able to make hay against the blues on friday night although they will be better than they were in their pathetic display against leinster.

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