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    Fianna Fáil second biggest party according to IT poll....

    How quickly we forget....



    The Irish Times - Thursday, October 18, 2012


    Fianna Fáil bounces back as second-biggest party, poll finds
    STEPHEN COLLINS, Political Editor


    FIANNA FÁIL has bounced back to become the second-biggest party in the State for the first time in more than two years, according to the latest Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll.


    Since its disastrous general election performance 18 months ago, Fianna Fáil has frequently found itself in fourth place in opinion polls behind Fine Gael, the Labour Party and Sinn Féin.


    Fianna Fáil is now narrowly ahead of Sinn Féin and well ahead of Labour, having gained a substantial level of support over the course of 2012.


    Fine Gael has dropped a point since the last Irish Times poll in May while Labour is up two.


    Satisfaction with the Government is down six points while the satisfaction of all the main party leaders has dropped. Taoiseach Enda Kenny is the most popular party leader.


    When people were asked who they would vote for if a general election were held tomorrow, the figures for party support – when undecided voters are excluded – compared with the last Irish Times poll were: Fine Gael, 31 per cent (down one point); Labour, 12 per cent (up two); Fianna Fáil, 21 per cent (up four points); Sinn Féin, 20 per cent (down four points); Green Party, 2 per cent (no change); and Independents/Others, 14 per cent (down one point).


    The survey was undertaken on Monday and Tuesday of this week among a representative sample of 1,000 voters aged 18 and over, in face-to-face interviews at 100 sampling points in all constituencies.


    The margin of error is plus or minus 3 per cent.


    The core vote for the parties compared with the last Irish Times poll was: Fine Gael, 20 per cent (down three points); Labour, 8 per cent (no change); Fianna Fáil, 14 per cent (up two points); Sinn Féin, 14 per cent (down four points); Green Party, 1 per cent (no change); Independents/Others, 10 per cent (down one point); and undecided voters, 33 per cent (up five points).


    The number of undecided voters at one-third of the electorate is very high, but it reflects the fact that the Government is just 18 months into its term and a general election is not regarded as likely for a long time.


    The jump of four points in support by Fianna Fáil since the last poll at the end of May looks even more impressive when in the context of a seven-point increase since the first Irish Times poll of 2012, which was conducted in April.


    Sinn Féin has slipped significantly since the last poll, which put it in second place to Fine Gael.


    That poll was conducted near the end of the referendum on the fiscal treaty, and absence of the massive television and radio exposure it obtained due to broadcast rules for referendums has seen a decline in the party’s support.


    There will be some relief in Labour that the steady decline in party support over the past two years has been halted with a modest increase of two points despite the negative publicity that surrounded the resignation of the party’s junior health minister Róisín Shortall.


    Fine Gael has again slipped marginally, for the third poll in a row, but the party is still comfortably ahead of all other Dáil parties and not far off its general election performance.


    The fact that there has been a marginal improvement in the combined support of the two Government parties may be some compensation for a serious decline of six points to 21 per cent in the Government’s satisfaction rating.


    All of the party leaders in the Dáil have seen a decline in their satisfaction rating since June with the biggest loser being Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams, who is down eight points.


    The other party leaders in the Dáil have each dropped three points, with Mr Kenny the most popular party leader on the relatively low rating of 33 per cent.


    Green Party leader Eamon Ryan has seen his rating improve by two points, but only to 12 per cent. His party, which remains stuck on 2 per cent, is still struggling to make an impact in the absence of Dáil representation.


    Support for Independents and smaller parties has dropped by one point to 14 per cent.
    4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election

    "Frankfurts way or Labours way."

    28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty

    "A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."

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    that 4% seems to be a floating vote between Fianna Fail and the Shinners who are equally repulsive for very
    different reasons......

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    This depresses me.
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    I am very much considering abstaining from future voting...really, what's the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugler View Post
    I am very much considering abstaining from future voting...really, what's the point?
    Abstaining is a victory for parties who don't want change.

    If no one represents you and you feel you've something to say, then get involved yourself and help make the change.

    This news is depressing, but not surprising.
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    1 in 5 wanting to vote for the Shinners is as bad.
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    Easy for FF to hide in the wilderness, keep the head down, hoping we'll forget their recent performance in government while FG/LAB blunder from household charge to property tax etc

    The lack of real choice is depressing
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    Government satisfaction rate of 21% would suggest that Enda and Co have thrown away the opportunity for change and the chance to improve the publics perception of politics and politicians in Ireland.
    4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election

    "Frankfurts way or Labours way."

    28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty

    "A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCloud View Post
    Government satisfaction rate of 21% would suggest that Enda and Co have thrown away the opportunity for change and the chance to improve the publics perception of politics and politicians in Ireland.
    I think it suggests the public are dumb as ****.
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    Labour are very big losers. People are unhappy with all politicians.
    Opportunity for something new.
    Globally even.
    well looka

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsMcGahan View Post
    Labour are very big losers. People are unhappy with all politicians.
    Opportunity for something new.
    Globally even.
    Something new as in new parties forming containing people untainted by association with any of the current political parties in Ireland?
    4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election

    "Frankfurts way or Labours way."

    28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty

    "A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."

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    Quote Originally Posted by John123 View Post
    I think it suggests the public are dumb as ****.
    For voting for a carbon copy of FF into government? Tend to agree with you.....
    4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election

    "Frankfurts way or Labours way."

    28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty

    "A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCloud View Post
    Something new as in new parties forming containing people untainted by association with any of the current political parties in Ireland?
    I don't believe there is any sort of quick fix.
    One advancement, locally and globally, is that people are more informed about politics and economics and more demanding of equality/rights fair opportunities etc.
    Corporate business (mercantilism in reality) and hoarding of capital are anti human activities and a ground swell of opposition to these aspects of 'capitalism' grows as ordinary people appreciate their exploitative nature.
    But that is looking at the bigger picture and how it will play in in detail is difficult to visualise.
    well looka

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    If you really want to get an understanding about the mentality of the irish voter, next time you're in an average place, for me, my local, look around the room and ask yourself, honestly, good and all as these people are, how many would i trust to make the right decision on my behalf. Always found that worrying and leads me to feel detached from Ireland. Very much in the minority. These aren't my people...
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    So there's 4% of the population who are not happy with the way things are going and then are thinking “I know who'd do a better job of rescuing the country ...... Fianna Fail."

    WTF? What's the point in calling your local arsonist when your house has just been burned down?
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    Give it a few years and I genuinely think there will be a sizeable portion of the electorate who won't be able to tell you who was in power over the (false) boom and bust years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugler View Post
    Give it a few years and I genuinely think there will be a sizeable portion of the electorate who won't be able to tell you who was in power over the (false) boom and bust years.
    Probably about 42% of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugler View Post
    Give it a few years and I genuinely think there will be a sizeable portion of the electorate who won't be able to tell you who was in power over the (false) boom and bust years.
    I don't know, we have strange memories. People still bring up the tax on children's shoes or the blueshirts when discussing FG but struggle to remember that this is the third time FF have bankrupted the State.

    FF will bounce back, all we can do is hope the Government has strengthed the checks and balances to curb the worst of their excesses.
    It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MunsterTel View Post
    If you really want to get an understanding about the mentality of the irish voter, next time you're in an average place, for me, my local, look around the room and ask yourself, honestly, good and all as these people are, how many would i trust to make the right decision on my behalf. Always found that worrying and leads me to feel detached from Ireland. Very much in the minority. These aren't my people...
    unfortunately Tel its not just in the pub is it?
    voting apart, I have an imbecile posing as a dentist a ludramán as a doctor, (the pharmacist gives me better advice), a muinteor that sends me incomprehensible texts regarding the 5 year old, and the regional took 3 goes and 4 hours to get a line into my 2 year old, blew his vein 1st time and then left it leaking into him and not his vein second time. ive just had a 5grand new screen in the back-the handles of the sliding doors are a good 1" off square, theres scratches on the windows from the factory ffs.... we are a bunch of eejits how can we be expected to do anything other than cast a sado masochistic FF vote?
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    I had the misfortune to be admitted to the regional on a saturday night, of all nights, recently....ironic considering my last angry post they were absolutely feckin brilliant in every regard in there. efficient, professional and god damn caring people-it single handedly restored my faith in our country and our people....pity none of them would do a nixer on the sliding doors
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    Quote Originally Posted by munsterforever View Post
    I had the misfortune to be admitted to the regional on a saturday night, of all nights, recently....ironic considering my last angry post they were absolutely feckin brilliant in every regard in there. efficient, professional and god damn caring people-it single handedly restored my faith in our country and our people....pity none of them would do a nixer on the sliding doors

    Has the burning stopped since you started taking the penicillin?

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    the itching has become manageable too
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    Fianna Fáil second biggest party according to IT poll....

    Quote Originally Posted by munsterforever View Post
    I had the misfortune to be admitted to the regional on a saturday night, of all nights, recently....ironic considering my last angry post they were absolutely feckin brilliant in every regard in there. efficient, professional and god damn caring people-it single handedly restored my faith in our country and our people....pity none of them would do a nixer on the sliding doors
    I think it is only when we or one of our loved ones needs urgent medical attention that you realise how bloody brilliant most of the nurses & Doctors in our health system are. It's easy to be cynical but these people work damned hard
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    The caring Nurses and doctors around these parts are not only the salt of the earth but the glue that keeps this place ticking over. It's like watching the the fraggles.
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    These polls don't make much of a difference. The parties in Ireland are all much the same. Changing your mind on who to vote for is little different to deciding whether to wear your blue or black overcoat.

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    Re: Fianna Fáil second biggest party according to IT poll....

    Quote Originally Posted by No Bother View Post
    The caring Nurses and doctors around these parts are not only the salt of the earth but the glue that keeps this place ticking over. It's like watching the the fraggles.
    Fraggles, you mean doozers surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterchief View Post
    Fraggles, you mean doozers surely?
    10 mega points to MC!
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    In tomorrow's Sunday Times:-


    FG - 30% (-1%)
    FF - 22% (+6%)
    SF - 14% (-4%)
    Lab - 12% (-2%)
    Ind - 19%
    Greens - 2%

    Pretty good news for FF with Martin (42%) now having the highest popularity rating of any party leader, just ahead of Enda on 41% and Gerry the Widowkiller on 40%.

    The poll also asked about assisted suicide for people with terminal illness and found 69% in favour, 26% against.



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    Fianna Fáil second biggest party according to IT poll....

    That's some transformation for a former Minister of Ireland's greatest ever calamity of a Govt.

    If the figures are accurate. We then surely get what we deserve & are a nation of fools
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