Yea But he generates great momentum on these pages ,
Yea But he generates great momentum on these pages ,
THE IRISH WOULD HAVE RULED THE WORLD, IF THEY NEVER INVENTED THE PUB
Yep, don't want home gettin ahead of himself. Have him on boot cleaning duty as pennance
Long term I see JJ playing at 10. I still don't think Keatley is quite good enough to win us a HEC. We'll grab McSherry off Connacht to fill the 12 jersey. We might grab that young fullback while we're at it. I like the cut of his jib.Originally Posted by The Outlaw
Glad to see Penney finally took the rumblings of Mfer's seriously and boy was he rewarded, two trys in his first proper run out...fantastic stuff. I would still say, as I did a few pages previous, this should have happened sooner. Beyond that no reason that he won't eventually move into 10, better IMO to let him get used to the pressure at 12 before he moves in one, besides Keatley is also looking like he is starting to deliver on a more consistent basis. The interesting thing for me is whether O'Gara will be brought back into the fold immediately after his injury or will he have to try and play his way back in?
ROG will be back sooner rather the later.
At this stage Keatley is only a pretender to his throne, JJ is barely at the races yet.
You mean there's some kind of "throne race" used to select Munster's OH? This I must see. When's the next one?
It'll be a while before JJ gets a shot at 10(barring injury), maybe during the 6N or if Munster are way behind or way ahead of some team with ten mins to go. Therefore O'Gara will pretty much walk back into the squad. Whether he'll walk back into the first XV is a different matter but I doubt we'll see him trying to prove himself in an 'A' game any time soon
In my most humble opinion O'Gara's time is passing, if not already gone. I guess it depends on how you want Munster to play and/or progress as a team. If you stick with Rodge you stick with a game-plan that is easy for the opposition to work out and you put huge pressure on the pack to bate the opposition into submission which I don't think they are capable off IMO. To qualify that I would say that few packs are currently strong enough to give O'Gara the platform he requires save for maybe Clermont and Toulon. If you go with Keatley and Hanrahan you change the game plan, you free the shackles a little and attack the line with purpose. Yes you will lose a significant 'game management' aspect as O'Gara was one of the worlds best master tacticians but the game has moved on.
I like to think that keatley and JJ together can become a game winning
pairing.. this would be best for munster and ireland.
If that turns out to be the case, whither downey?
There was talk of him getting capped 3 weeks ago...
I'm surprised there hasn't been much talk of jj at 13.
If anything, he seems more than anyone to have tools worthy of
the great one.
Can.....We....Please....Not....Talk....About....Mo ving....Players....Out....Of....Position.
We've produced nothing at 10 since ROG. We haven't had a home grown 12 since JJ was in nappies. We finally have a young home-grown player who looks like he has the potential in one or both of those positions. Meanwhile, we've Keith Earls (probably our best ever home grown 13, who strongly wants to play at 13) and a top quality import in Laulala. Now you want to talk about playing JJ there?
Leave JJ alone!
yes.. you're right. sorry. Would be smashing to have him an keet as the next irish pairing, now you mention it.
here's a recent interview with him, btw
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...t-3277220.html
Possibly good that he dropped that ball at the end.. The hyperbole would have been off the charts.
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[QUOTE=mtcmolloy;1130150]yes.. you're right. sorry. Would be smashing to have him an keet as the next irish pairing, now you mention it.
here's a recent interview with him, btw
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...t-3277220.html
Possibly good that he dropped that ball at the end.. The hyperbole would have been off the charts.[/QUOTE
True but the most important thing is how is he progressing geometrically.
[QUOTE=barleys chinos;1130179]ah here..
I still stand over what I said about Ryan.. so 'can' it
(even provided video evidence!)
Last edited by mtcmolloy; 29th-October-2012 at 17:38.
A near certainty for the Lions now!
http://www.espnscrum.com/lions-tour-...ry/171778.html
HA! That's mad
Céard a ceapfá, Jerry?
Paul O'Connell can get toothpaste out of an onion. Fact.
which in a sense is part of the problem, Strings has been playing A games and bringing through the next generation in that role, that should be the role for ROG for the next year or so, time to move on regardless of whether that is painful or not.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Are we being fair or unfair to Hanrahan here in calling for him to get more game time? Right now he's obviously no better than 3rd behind ROG and Keatley for outhalf and 2nd or third for IC slot. Is he actually as good or better than ROG or Keatley? Is he actually as good or better than Downey/Laulala?
Is there some issue that is keeping him down the pecking order or is it simply the coaches don't rate him as highly as we do on this forum? They see a lot more of him than we see in him and perhaps we are governed by wishful thinking more than reality?
Last edited by RichardP; 6th-December-2012 at 04:25.
Who Hanrahan? We want JJ.
There are no miracles, only hidden laws. St Augustine
They're saving him for a single backline move against Clermont in this year's HEC final where he'll score rugby's first and only 73 point try to clinch the victory.
Do you mean Jesus squared, ustix?
You're confused.
The plan is to defend the full game in our own 22. Then JJ will kick a drop goal from behind our own try line in thr 80th minute.
well looka
Verily, I does.
There are no miracles, only hidden laws. St Augustine
Yeah but the judges for the best 3 U20s in the world rated him a touch highly as well, can everyone else be wrong on this?
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Richard,
"obviously no better than 3rd behind ROG and Keatley" - you seen any of Munster's games this year...?
Keatley's form deserves him to start this w-end, but if I believe even a quarter of what's posted here and elsewhere, he hasn't a snowball's of starting against Sarries; RoG (no matter how badly he plays...) seems to be an automatic 1st Munster XV even if he could not now beat his way out of a wet paper bag. His cameos against both SA and Pumas were bad, sad and ultimately will destroy his hard-earned reputation of the past 13 years (look at what the English papers wrote). Keatley was playing well until dropped for RoG (RM) and RoG wrapped that game up early (unfortunately for them...). JJ got one cameo at IC and was given MotM (I disagreed because he dropped a ball a mortal should have caught, and when in a position to score, maybe under the posts....); he hasn't been seen since...... Oh, sorry, he came last minute on to kick a point against a hail gale.
Seems neither has 'earned' (whatever that means..) the right to start. If current policy prevails much longer I can see RoG being wheeled out in his bathchair to do a DG or kick to touch when I'm of pension age (not too long, but it's coming too.....). But he has his supporters here.........
RoG is now behind the current Cookies U21 FH on form (not saying he doesn't have any, just that their 2nd choice U21 kicker and playmaker is now better than him).
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It's not we that rated JJ btw: Rabo have their own criteria, SA tournament wasn't judged on Munsterfans either......
Jeez 99 ..... stand back and just read what you've posted!! ROG has his critics, including me, but being delusional isn't compulsory for this site you know.
ROG may not be playing behind the #1 pack in the NH anymore, but he sure knows how to control a game and I'll gladly take him this weekend. I've been a supporter of Keatley this season but I am still bugged big-time about our failure, with IK at 10, to manage the game in the monsoon v Scarlets. A home defeat against a team we normally swat away (yes) is a huge issue, and running the ball madly in a deluge resulting in a fly-hacked, bundled & slithered match-losing try has shaken my confidence in Ian Keatley big-time. Perhaps permanently.
So for you to take the line you have just posted needs to be rejected out of hand. There is some wet dream with Munster supporters that we still have the Munster team that played out the last 10 minutes of the 2008 HEC final. Er ... we don't. Sorry if I'm being uncharacteristically blunt.
"Playing against ROG, your big game plan is to try and pressure him but he’d dump it off to Wally and next thing you’re five metres behind the gain line because he was an absolute freak." Rory Best, Irish Examiner, May 2012
Last point first. When ROG was behind that pack he directed them brilliantly. Kicks to the corner being a huge percentage of that directing. Other than that and the penalties/conversions, what else did he do? Yes I was glad of him, but always knew he was majorly flawed and said it often. If he didn't have Wally, he'd have been rated a lot lower than he ultimately was.
As far as I can see, Keatley played the coaches game agains Scarlets. No 33 phase type rugby tolerated. I wasn't mad at Keatley, I was mad at Penney. And, if Foley is unhappy at Munster, which is the vibe, I'd say, good man Foley. This consensus that Kiwis know everything about rugby is nonsense. Good on England last weekend.
Hello friends in Brussels. Baldy here
Forgot the thread title in me rant. The question is, given the type of game ROG is comfortable with, the type of game Keatley can play up to a point only, why not give Hanrahan a go? He is an open book. Selecting ROG - even at his best, which he clearly is not any more - to play Penneys game, has to be totally against every fibre in Penneys body. So why is he nailed on to start on Saturday?
Hello friends in Brussels. Baldy here
I think you misunderstood my remark or read in a meaning that wasn't there; I meant in the eyes of those who select the team he is in 3rd spot. That isn't a value judgement by me, but it is by Penney. And yes, I've seen them all
O'Gara has been dire in every match he played so far this season bar the brief bit of HEC action when he played fairly well apart from his very last play.
If he is picked and plays well against Saracens then it is pretty obvious that he simply wasn't arsed in all the rabo matches and international matches. He always has been exceptionally focused on the HEC but that can't be his only concern.
Right now both Keatley and Hanrahan deserve to be ahead of him for the OH spot
not sure wasn't arsed so much as we'd be seeing that players on central contracts get the benefit of numerous chances to gain form that players not on them aren't granted.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
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