But given they had no ambition of any kind other than keeping the score down the ref chould have went for a penalty or two at least to stop itOriginally Posted by Thomond78
But given they had no ambition of any kind other than keeping the score down the ref chould have went for a penalty or two at least to stop it
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Yes more wisdom from G Hook, who said in Saturday's Indo that MUnster woudl win but had no chance of a bonus point.
I left TP with renewed optimism yesterday, yes Embra were dire, and we wasted a lot of chances, but we made it count in the last 10-15 minutes and secured the BP. We have to make the next Rabo games count as we refine and improve our approach, but we are getting there
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Delay is, at best, a free kick. I'd reckon that he felt it was of no material effect, given it didn't do much to help them.
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Result good, and we'll take the BP win, but like last year, its masking underlying issues that can't be ignored. The good thing is that the squad is young and Penny is putting a lot of faith in the young guns, and that will pay off. In a small few years we've gone from a team with 70+ HEC caps per head, to a team with single digits per head. As a result, I think we are playing a system and style at all costs. This is the game plan, go execute it. Instead we need a few of the senior guys to step up and say, its not working, and play what's in front of you. I think plan B happened by accident yesterday, it was great to see, but when the wet of winter comes, we'll need to be able to stuff it up the jumper as well as take it through the hands.
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Penney is getting more than a fair share of criticism. The way I see yesterdays match is Munster dominated but as with other weeks lacked about 5% to finish off Edinburgh earlier.
The problem with second rows on the wing yesterday was mainly down to poor handling. Having forwards on the wings helps secure ball and against a stretched defense they'll make some ground when running with the ball. That depends on good handling and passing.
Edinburgh were out on their feet with 20 min to go from having to defend all the time. They worked hard to cover any free space but that told in the end. The Munster forwards then demolished them so you could say the wide game helped tire out the opposition pack and Munster took advantage. The only criticism I'd have is they left it too late and were not ruthless enough eg when they turned down a scrum on the Edinburgh line despite having a dominant scrum.
56 hi-res photos from pitchside (South Corner) West Terrace - some good views of Keats and the boys galloping towards the line.
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I was at work yesterday but watched it through My Sky.
Is there anyway that you can re-watch the match(similar to RTE Player) with Sky? Or is there another site where it can be watched?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTp_b...eature=g-all-u
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
And are effectively a by product of fish sh*t.
Supporters and pundits alike need to get two things into their heads:
1) This is a team that is adopting to a new coaching ticket, they are playing heads up rugby which this team is not used to. This team is used to the pod system where they were told what to do and when to do it, this didnt work and I have no doubt they wouldnt have gotten a BP yesterday playing the old way. It will take time before everyone is on the same wavelength but I know it will happen.
2) Stop talking about "Munster of old", this is not Munster of old, this is current Munster, playing at present, it doesnt have all the legends and international stars that "Munster of old" had, but one must remember that there was also a time when that "Munster of old" was being put together, inexperienced, getting whomped by Toulouse. The old Munster is gone, not forgotten just gone, time moves on, stop comparing the new generation to the old, do that when this current crop have retired. Have faith, this team is new and just like the old one, I have faith that all the cogs will gel and we will see another HCUP, not this year, maybe not next year but we will, remember how long it took the "Munster of old"??
From yesterday:
Giving out about Keatley missing kicks with a difficult swirling wind, may I remind folk of a certain kicking display by one Ronan O Gara in a HCUP final in 2000, things didnt turn out too bad for him. Keatley had far from a stinker.
Well done Dave Kilcoyne and Sean Dougall for stand out performances, Dougall is already far better than Ronan. On the performances, great to see Dougie getting back into things but he looks like he is getting there. POM took his score well, carried well and I thought himself and Murray worked very well of the base of scrums. Billy Holland put in a good 20 mins when he came on for POC, no subs let the team down in any way, special mention for Butlers break, great speed and awareness to pass, well done.
For those asking, POM was captain when Dougie went off. On that note, I'm getting sick of hearing and seeing POC with the refs. If its starting to get to me, I can only imagine that it is getting to the refs. Dougie is the captain, end of. The more games go on the more I'm beginning to think that the demoting of POC from captain was a demotion and not just handing it over nicely. I reckon Penney knew full well that POC was pushing his luck with refs and he had to be taken off captaincy, one can lead without being captain remember, the only problem now is that POC mouths as much as he did when he was captain. He needs to let Dougie get on with it, the image of all three (ROG, POC and Dougie) pointing to the posts at different times for the same penalty set it off for me last week. I've no problem with a guy like POM standing next to the captain, he is learning for the future. BTW this isnt a big hatred for POC or anything, I just think he needs to hush up! He had another great hour on the pitch, that is what Munster need from him.
While happy with the win, I wasnt impressed with the performance for a number of reasons, but what we need to look at is the other results in the group.
Our season will hinge on the back to back games with saracens, and judging by how they have done against the other 2 teams we are not playing as good as them currently. We can and need to get better to overcome sarries over 2 legs to get out of the group.
1) The type of rugby we are playing isn't that clear yet. We had large periods of what looked like McGahanball, bookended by more forward oriented rugby. The pod system hasn't gone away you know !
2) When people talk of Munster of old, they aren't talking about the players, but the ability to front up to the opposition forwards, which we did when POC and Doc weren't on the wing.
The type of rugby we are playing isnt clear yet but it will be better for everyone if the phrase "McGahanball" is never used on this site again. Its in the past, it didnt work and we have a new coaching set up trying to build something.
Happy with the win yesterday but apart from a few minutes the game was poor.
A big step up is needed for the back to back games v sarries but we've time to continue progressing and getting used to Penney and his style of play before that
Maybe this question has already been posted but can anyone clear up the penalty Barnes gave against Edinburgh in the second half when they tapped down from a line out and Rees knocked the ball back. I think one of the props or Ford retreating picked up the ball and was pinged for offside. Is the retreating player not allowed to play the ball even though it was knocked back?
I've seen better centres in a box of Black Magic
Ah good old George. When his set in stone predictions blow up in his face he always shifts the goalposts to distract from the fact that he hasn't a rashers - "Oh they got a bonus point? Well they didn't produce an 80 minute performance. Oh they produced an 80 minute performance? The opposition are a low side, that's expected. Oh, it was against a top team? They underperformed."
You won't win with him when he's made a prediction that Munster are terrible and Penney is useless. Like with Schmidt - if Leinster had played exactly the same in his first season but a bounce of the ball robbed them of the final by a point Hook would be out with "see, I told you that Schmidt doesn't have it". In fact, I'll bet part of George was gutted that Leinster were so awesome that year. He was wrong, and comically wrong at that. He's not an analyst. He's a Prove Me Wrong Antagonist.
You see the type everywhere. I was stood behind this w@nker in the North Terrace yesterday who just kept banging on about how "terrible" Keatley was. Keatley does a good thing - silence. Keatley puts a penalty touch finder five feet behind where he wanted it? Shocking, useless, ****ing terrible. Keatley makes a break for the line and almost scores? Silence. Keatley misses a difficult narrow penalty when we're already leading by 16? ****ing shocking. Useless. What a load of sh!t. Tosser etc etc etc
He would prefer for the team to lose so he could be "right all along".
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Result 10/10
Performance 6.5/10 5/10 before last ten minutes
I was going ballistic after the second and third try, as the amount of time wasted spent setting up conversions and high fiving was silly. At least 3-4 minutes for the two.
So many positives though, Kilcoyne, Felix back, Keatley first OH HEC game, maul back, JJ introduced, Dougal, Zebo under a high ball and going forward, Hurley also had a good game. Good cameos and impact from all the subs
Negaitves, Downing was not played to his strengths, not just him the amount of times that players received ball at a standing start. Stop cluttering midfield with forwards, unless they are coming onto the ball flat out. Likewise with second rows on the wing. Need to maintain the good starts and not degenerate into the mcgahanball type of game for large periods of time.
Whole heap of improvement needed over the next 7 weeks, but nothing is impossible. A 6-4 points result would still see us in a good position to exit the group.
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By the time I'd got into the third paragraph, I was thinking "who the fup is this gob****e?", then scrolled down to find out (a) the author's name and (b) that I wouldn't need to trouble myself reading any further.
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Unfortunately it's not yet in the past as we keep seeing it. The sooner it is consigned to the dustbin of history, the better, I agree though.
Again this expansive style of rugby does not suit us. Whats wrong with keeping the ball in the pack, dominating the opposition and then playing the wide ball. Seeing O Connell and O Callaghnan on the wing is a disgrace. This is usually reserved for M Horan. Poor match for the first 70 minutes. Very little heart and commitment. Forward players prefering to offload the ball rather than commit to the tackle. We need to revert to up the jumper stuff.
Not so many of them in the West terrace it has to be said,everyone was willing him on.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Sky anytime have all wkend matches,just watched Munster.
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3 points up and a 5 m scrum on the Edinburgh line, we win a penalty and Howlett runs in signalling to take the 3 points. The pack looked visibly upset with the decision walking away.
In a game where we were loking for a BP win, and a penalty try looked on the cards, I felt it was an awful decision from Doug Howlett.
iirc, subsequently we missed the kick?
"That's what's difficult. You know that O'Connell is going to be the one that will jump for the ball but you still don't manage to steal it. It's kind of annoying
"I talked about it with the Toulouse players, my final in 2006 and theirs in 2008 against Munster. I was marking Paul O'Connell and they were man-marking him too. We knew he was going to jump. But I remember I was in really good condition, with a good lift, but every time I just missed it."
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We did, which for some makes it a bad decision in retrospect. But consider at that time we had no idea how bad Edinburgh could be for the whole match. Also, scrums can be made into a lottery at the behest of the referee. Had we taken another couple of scrums and then been on the wrong end of the call we'd have been disgusted. You can't generally go out with the intent to get 5 points - win the game first and the BP second.
Had Keatley kicked the other 2 penalties and made it 12-0 we would not have been too disappointed at HT. 6-0 for utter dominance wasn't enough of a return, and was one breakaway from going behind.
Was it not a later one that was missed, could be mistaken.
Con Artist
We did miss the kick, however Botha also gave away two pens in a scrum later in the game and the kick seemed to be a gimme. It could be argued eitherway imo.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
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Win the game first then worry about the bonus points. Was the correct decision at that time in the match.
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At 3-0? Go for posts. ALWAYS. We should know that better than most. Remember when we turned down kicks try-chasing against Leicester, and lost our home record in TP? Remember all those times we've been down a man, like against Northampton, they went for what seemed a certain try-delivering scrum, and got fup-all?
Never assume you'll get the PT, never shun points until the game is won beyond question. Get your four points first, then worry about the five.
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Some great pics there Stiofan, ta!
Being on that try-line made it an interesting last 5 mins.....
Cheers. God that commentator Robson is painful. Absolutely horrendous.
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