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Ya, I agree completely, and I do think the type of decision making I was talking about is something he can work on. He is still without doubt my nailed on starter at 9. To be a great 9 you need a cuteness about you that I don't think he has developed yet. Plenty of time for him in terms of his career but unfortunately our season's needs might be less patient.
Some one else mentioned the knock he got a few weeks ago; wonder if there's something in that as he looked away on a different planet at times. Hope it was one he can put behind him. If not I'd have Williams under consideration. Stringer might not offer too much variation, but at least he can still do the basics.
I wouldn't say Strings is the opposite of what we need nor would I say that he is the future but I'd say we might have to gain from transferring a bit of that unique experience that Strings have to Murray. It means playing a bit of both instead of leaving one of our most valuable servant on the touchline when the other SH is having a bad day.
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4/7ths of the starting backs were either late 20s or early/mid 30s
That's hardly a bunch of spring chickens.
People are making far too many excuses for the team, as per usual. Do you know how many injuries RM92 had? Barkley barely knew his colleagues names, let alone the backline moves. Hernandez, had only landed on Thursday and must have been fcuked with jet-lag.
Don't think we had a pint together. We didn't turn up to O'Sullivans till 11.30pm and everyone was pretty fcuked at that stage. Left pretty sharpish when we saw the choice of alcohol on offer!
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A few takeaways from the weekend performance for me were:
- Keatley's kicking game is way below par and he needs to up his length, variety, consistency of execution & option taking here.
- POC- great to see the great man back and in farily good form.
- Munster backrow- keen but green. POM badly needs this SA guy to arrive firing on all cylinders
- Murray- potentially great but needs to use his team around him to win games and stick to the gameplan under pressure
- Denis Hurley- really excellent when he came on, everything he did was good or better, must be in the frame to start.
- Overall- Munster's new game plan philosophy of trying to create & exploit space is great and a huge improvement from playing from rote, as they appeared to be doing for past year or 2. They will have to temper when to run with conditions and the opposition defence e.g. wet & rush defence => kicking more, punching up the middle more, etc dry and drift => passing & running wide earlier. Keatley, Rog & Murrays option taking needs to reflect this a bit better. Also I think Munsters pack needs to up it a level or 3 if they are to seriously compete. Good to see POC back, DOC, Ryan, new SA Back row & Coughlan will all help the cause too - hopefully. A lot of gloom in the media for an away bonus point in Paris....
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Three days later and I've decided that the key factor affecting the result on Saturday was the state of the pitch, and the rain that made playing on it progressively worse.
This was too much for an inexperienced team learning a new game plan, robbed of its leaders and up against a team ideally suited for 10-man rugby, with a 10-man outhalf behind them.
Nights in recent years that might compare with it would have been the 5000 phases in Llanelli or the disposal of Wasps at Thomond. But we had a team and leaders then who could deal with it, and use it to their advantage. Not so on Saturday. I just think those conditions came way too soon for this team grappling with loads of new stuff hitting them from the staff.
All the other events - Conor Murray, Dougie, kicking, breakdown, passing errors - I feel were as a result of being unprepared and unable to adapt to the conditions.
I don't discount all the other views posted above, (including my own post-match reaction). It's a good post-match thread to be honest.
But in years to come, the memory that will stick with me will be the state of the pitch*, and little else.
* And Zebo's try, of course
"Playing against ROG, your big game plan is to try and pressure him but he’d dump it off to Wally and next thing you’re five metres behind the gain line because he was an absolute freak." Rory Best, Irish Examiner, May 2012
first log in since getting home from Paris late last night. A bit of a sickener but hopefully the much-maligned backlash will kick in because we definitely need 5 point on Sunday.And the painful lessons are learned. A lot to learn! Ah well, it brought me back to the days when we travelled to France more in hope than in expectation. And despite the lashing rain I managed to have a good weekend. (Though I wasn't too keen on O'S's...) I should be just about caught up on my sleep deficit by next weekend...
would i be right in saying we probably need to win all our games from now , we will definetely need to do double over saracens . 20 points from 5 wins should be our aim and top group.
Don't think we will do it mind but thems the sums!
Sarries could have 10 after this weekend, another 5 from home v Edinburgh, 4 from our head to head as per above so would need to beat RM away to qualify if we had the results above
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We've got the ideal scrum half for this team and this gameplan. With Rog &/or Keatley he complements their overall game, strengths & weaknesses ideally. He is also sufficiently physical behind a less than convincing Munster 8 currently. Reddan would have hated some of RMs counter rucking on Saturday whereas Murray did quite well with the quality of possession he was allowed by his pack.
Munster badly need to set a better platform at ruck time for Murray and his outside backs. They also need to improve their own lineout hugely. Finally if they can add a better defensive poaching lineout & continue to improve defensive scrum and defence then you might see a real, stingy Munster emerge who can use the ball & space better than the past few years & that would be a big improvement.
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