...in what way will you feel more Irish if you force me to give up my feeling of being British? - David Ervine
Healy who was replaced by VdeM a player with whom he has rotated for the last number of years , Cullen covered by Browne , O'Brien covered by another Irish Int Jennings , D'Arce cover by Irish Int McFaddan , Kearney cover by one of your best players this season Madigan all be it out of position .
Your bench was weak but your starting 15 was a good side as they proved on the night .
This is Joe's third season and your squad are up to speed on how he wants to play and players can be rotated in and out but still know the game plan . The typical slow start not helped by injuries, mostly to players who would be featuring early season, but no prizes given out in Sep.
From a Munster point of view we put in a decent performance against a good Leinster side who were more experienced in key areas .
As we got on top at the end of the Leinster match our forwards were taking the ball on in close with the pick and goes and gaining territory . This aspect of play has been missing along with mauling some of our line out ball to suck in the defence before going wide . If these our the aspects of play that you want more emphasis on i am in total agreement ? At the moment we are a mixture of old and new , it is just going to take time for all the players to implement the new style . Furthermore we are missing POC's leadership in the pack , if he was playing i feel our forwards would take on more ball close in . Finally selecting our best team including the players in form and more comfortable with the new style would improve matters greatly .
Point, there is a fundamental flaw to your argument. You're not giving any consideration to the fact that ROG is responsible for our toothless displays against the Os and Leinster that look so strikingly similar to the side to side sh*t we were privy to under McGahan. You said yourself to outside inside :
EDIT: And after two and a half months you want to compare us to Leinster, Toulouse and Clermont? How about we compare oursleves to those that finished above us in the HEC last year. Edinburgh and Ulster. Bit unfair/unrealistic to be comparing us against the top 3 teams in Europe, at this point in time.
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You continuously fail to give consideration to the fact that for large elements of that Munster team this was as big a game as they'd ever played in. Even some of the older players that made appearances such as Billy Holland, did I ever think he'd play as he did in front of a decent crowd in the Aviva? No TBH, but he, like many others is showing a gradual incline in ability and talent.
This is going to take us time, and its going to take a lot of patience. How you view the result is entirely based on your perspective, Leinster had 10 of their best 15 out, at home, and it took 50 mins before they managed to garner breathing space against a mediocre and inexperienced Munster side?? Leinster scored and we went straight back down and scored. Also the toll on Leinster seems to have been far greater, the injuries continue to mount.
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Cowboy: let the troll starve (advice I'm now going to take myself).
Edit: I miss Kiff and Zapp, at least you knew who was who then...
Last edited by Thomond78; 8th-October-2012 at 09:16.
Vorsprung durch Pfennig.
Would go with
Varley, Killer, Archer, Holland, Ronan, Williams, ROG, Howlett.
\"Only Pienaar, Botha and Ferris would be in contention for a place on our first 15. That\'s a fact.\" - Tickettout\'s take on Ulster April 2011.
My hope is that Penney now has a clear understanding that Laulala is not a 12 and that Downey will start next week and Penney will begin to develop A.N Other 12 option (be that Dineen or Hanrahan or whoever). My opinion is that Keatley is currently playing the better rugby of our two 10s but I unfortunately cant see Penney dropping ROG. I reckon we will see ROG Downey at 10, 12 next week.
Thomond78 : I wonder... Is it within Mod powers to change a certain OP's status from "senior member" to, say, "whinging beeeeotch"? What an amusing little reward that would be, were it to happen...
Why would you be disappointed not to see Laulala start? He's had two stinkers in a row with very poor basic defence in both. Is it not fair to ask whether we were ascribing to him a lot of good things that were actually due to Downey making room and providing front-foot ball for everyone else?
Vorsprung durch Pfennig.
Both playing at 12 though, when he is an out and out 13.
This place will erupt or spontaneously combust if ROG gets the nod and anybody else but Downey gets picked at 12.
Reflecting on the Aviva game again, typically Munster tend not to show too many rehearsed moves etc the week before HEC
We did a few good moves on Saturday and ultimately scored 2 tries - it will be interesting to see if we have some good training ground moves lined up for Racing
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"We've got to be really careful we get our backyard right before we start looking over the fence."
Rob Penney - Rugby coach and Philosopher
Interesting also is that last year in their first home game they narrowly lost to Cardiff and two years ago beat Clermont.
I think it will depend a lot on what team they field and what interest they have in the HEC but winning in France has never been easy and I dont reckon it'll be next Saturday. But it's feasible and we proved that already so fingers crossed
Good things happen to those who wait, though mostly much too late.
I've seen better centres in a box of Black Magic
I think thats last years fixtures.
they have played 8 so far this season - Won 4 Lost 4
18/08/2012 1e Journée SU Agen 20 - 24 Racing Métro 92 25/08/2012 2e Journée Racing Métro 92 21 - 23 Rugby Club Toulonnais 01/09/2012 3e Journée Racing Métro 92 18 - 7 Union Bordeaux-Bègles 09/09/2012 4e Journée ASM Clermont 13 - 12 Racing Métro 92 15/09/2012 5e Journée Aviron Bayonnais 18 - 25 Racing Métro 92 22/09/2012 6e Journée Racing Métro 92 13 - 12 Biarritz Olympique 29/09/2012 7e Journée Grenoble 27 - 13 Racing Métro 92 06/10/2012 8e Journée Racing Métro 92 12 - 16 Montpellier Hérault Rugby
Aussiedub, are you endlessly antagonistic in every aspect of your life? It's very tiresome.
The whole world cries out peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie.