varleys red card

[NiallGK]

So let's put a name on this character. Was it Rhys Thomas or was it Greg Morgan, I'm not sure.

[McCloud]

Then he either has serious eyesight problems, is totally incompetent or he's a cheat; any two of the aforementioned or all three. Whatever the answer is he should not be officiating at that level.

I'd suggest Munster and maybe the other provinces should send a letter to those that arrange and select officials who officiate at matches involving Irish provinces requesting that that particular AR no longer be assigned to Irish provinces matches as they have no confidence in him.

[fullback15]

So let's put a name on this character. Was it Rhys Thomas or was it Greg Morgan, I'm not sure.

Not 100 % but pretty sure it was Morgan. Maybe someone can confirm. Would be interesting to see if he is involved in the next few rounds

[shanners]

I'd suggest Munster and maybe the other provinces should send a letter to those that arrange and select officials who officiate at matches involving Irish provinces requesting that that particular AR no longer be assigned to Irish provinces matches as they have no confidence in him.

Bit harsh McCloud. We all make a complete bollix of things, now and then.

[clogs]

i knew when i started this thread there was nothing to nail him (varley)

goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnn munster

[the plastic paddy]

The thing that annoys me is that Varls has really reined in the discipline this season and is a better player for it. I suspected it might well be bs at the time as I am sure the line editors were working their fingers to the bone to find something and found sweet fa. Pleased Damian will be playing in LR, hope he keeps up his cracking start to the season, he and Sherry are having a right battle for the two jersey which is great for Munster.

[Dumptruck]

I'd suggest Munster and maybe the other provinces should send a letter to those that arrange and select officials who officiate at matches involving Irish provinces requesting that that particular AR no longer be assigned to Irish provinces matches as they have no confidence in him.

They all do, thing is , there are only so many Officials to go around.

[BOK]

The thing that annoys me is that Varls has really reigned in the discipline this season and is a better player for it. I suspected it might well be bs at the time as I am sure the line editors were working their fingers to the bone to find something and found sweet fa. Pleased Damian will be playing in LR, hope he keeps up his cracking start to the season, he and Sherry are having a right battle for the two jersey which is great for Munster.

Agree Paddy I taught Varley has been very good this season and I would very much rate himself and Sherry as on a par with each other.

Also while I agree that it was somewhat ugly the way some people jumped to a conclusion about Varls, and that that can somewhat be an ugly side of this forum, I also think it should be pointed out that most of the posters who did so were also decent enough to come back on after and apologise for doing so. We are all guilty of making bad judgement calls, it's how we respond when we find out we were wrong that really determines what kind of people we are and the majority of posters on here have shown that we are, overall, decent folk.

[rathbaner]

Sorry to go slightly off subject here but one thing I'd like Penney to do is take a harder line with poor reffing.

A Munster coach and a Kiwi bitching about the refs won't cut much ice with neutrals. It's got to start with the players. From the Fairplay league on the Pro12 website, after only 5 games Munster have the worst record already. Sooner or later it's going to cost us. Think back to the final minutes of the Clermont away game with Fla leaning over a ruck, Brock James and the ref just waiting for him to touch the ball and give away the penalty that would deny Munster the crucial losing BP. Fla had the discipline to stop. We need that back.

[Piquet]

Lads is it possible that in the dressing Room after the match:

• The ref. and the TJ had a chat about the incident
• The TJ said that, on reflection, he had been hard on Varley and maybe it wasn't deliberate
• The ref put something to this effect in his Match Report which was considered at the hearing?

Or The TJ appeared at the hearing, was asked about the incident and said, on reflection, he wasn't sure about Varley's intent?

[daveyreidy]

So let's put a name on this character. Was it Rhys Thomas or was it Greg Morgan, I'm not sure.

According to the deadsite it was Greg Morgan, PG was even good enough to put it in bold for us:

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10921.php

[Thomond78]

Lads is it possible that in the dressing Room after the match:

• The ref. and the TJ had a chat about the incident
• The TJ said that, on reflection, he had been hard on Varley and maybe it wasn't deliberate
• The ref put something to this effect in his Match Report which was considered at the hearing?

Or The TJ appeared at the hearing, was asked about the incident and said, on reflection, he wasn't sure about Varley's intent?

Very. You see similar in a lot of reported decisions. But then they'd surely have rescinded if the basis on which the red was given was wrong?

[Thomond78]

A Munster coach and a Kiwi bitching about the refs won't cut much ice with neutrals. It's got to start with the players. From the Fairplay league on the Pro12 website, after only 5 games Munster have the worst record already. Sooner or later it's going to cost us. Think back to the final minutes of the Clermont away game with Fla leaning over a ruck, Brock James and the ref just waiting for him to touch the ball and give away the penalty that would deny Munster the crucial losing BP. Fla had the discipline to stop. We need that back.

Yup. Our discipline has gone to pot. Varley does not, for mine, get a free pass on this. He kicked out at a guy on the ground when there was no need, miles away from the ball. AWJ might have been holding Varley back, but he was also taking himself out of the game. Let him. He's taking one out of their defence. Get onto the AR, bitch at him about being held, get the penalty. Be cute about it. Instead, he lashed out, got sent off, they get the relieving penalty and that red stands.

Contrast POC with Cudmore: Cudmore throws three punches, POC holds his discipline, doesn't respond, gives out to the TJ, gives out again, makes it clear he's not retaliating, then, when it's clearly self-defence, tunes him. Net result, red for Cudmore, and Clermont spend the rest of the game down a man.

Fla's line was: fire in the belly, ice in the head. We have lost that, and are seen by refs as a petulant team. It costs us. Until we are whiter than white, it won't change. Lashing out only causes more grief for us.

[Cowboy]

According to the deadsite it was Greg Morgan, PG was even good enough to put it in bold for us:

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10921.php

a PG Tip, if you will

[Thomond78]

Cowboy, FFS!

Hang your head in shame!

[bazzyg]

Lads is it possible that in the dressing Room after the match:

• The ref. and the TJ had a chat about the incident
• The TJ said that, on reflection, he had been hard on Varley and maybe it wasn't deliberate
• The ref put something to this effect in his Match Report which was considered at the hearing?

Or The TJ appeared at the hearing, was asked about the incident and said, on reflection, he wasn't sure about Varley's intent?

I'd go along with the last line there, during a professional fast game of rugby the TJ saw something and he doled out the punishment he felt suitable at the time, after thinking about it (with no 2nd chance to review it) he decided to role back on the intent not the fact that it actually happened.

Refs and TJ's get far too much grief and will always get some decisions wrong, especially when cheating by players is described as a form of art by some.

[Blindsider.]

So let's put a name on this character. Was it Rhys Thomas or was it Greg Morgan, I'm not sure.

http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/3...ost-127/page27

Post #798

I imagine the Match Assessor and Citing Commissioner were none too pleased with Mr Morgan. He will have been suitably admonished!

[Munsterboy]

I'd go along with the last line there, during a professional fast game of rugby the TJ saw something and he doled out the punishment he felt suitable at the time, after thinking about it (with no 2nd chance to review it) he decided to role back on the intent not the fact that it actually happened.

Refs and TJ's get far too much grief and will always get some decisions wrong, especially when cheating by players is described as a form of art by some.

It's fair enough if they make a mistake, as long as, when there's a hearing of this nature afterwards, such mistakes are recognised. Of course, if they make too many they should be downgraded to lower level competitions too.

What we currently get (in the Pro12) is incompetent refs protected by the system leading to a lack of accountability.

[Thomond78]

Exactly. And the refusal to publish makes it possible, and does no-one any good.

[gavindillon]

Fla's line was: fire in the belly, ice in the head. We have lost that, and are seen by refs as a petulant team. It costs us. Until we are whiter than white, it won't change. Lashing out only causes more grief for us.

Whiter than white? I agree but you must admit it's difficult with a Red team and a Red army etc etc. Serious uphill struggle to be seen by the refs as angelic. Already bottom of the fairplay league? Well first impressions will be hard to change, unfortunately...

[sledger2003]

I've just lobbed the "as innocent and as cruelly wronged as Ian Evans" grenade. I'm waiting to see the explosion.

... as honest as a Shane Williams statement ...