Nice to see her go, could tell she wanted the health job from the start and has been antagonistic to Reilly from the start! Reilly has been solid health minister but of course the media seems to have turned against that guy which seems to always happen in the health portfolio, anyway she can shag off
Would that be the letter Reilly sent her today? That is the only reference I've heard to a letter can you point to an earlier one?Originally Posted by Old Dog
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
Reilly's letter to Shorthall HERE>>.
Tommy O'Donnell - David Wallace Mk. 2.
No, this would be the letter that Reilly sent her on 12 July last. It was published today to highlight the lies that she had told.
Edit - I see that Niall has gazumped me! Thanks.
Your most welcome OD. It's the least I can do after your outing of me as the dyslectic that I am last Friday (the shame of it all).
Tommy O'Donnell - David Wallace Mk. 2.
Thanks, but I see no justification for Reilly's decision to include 2 sites in his backyard. If he was a member of FF there would be uproar, standards dropping I guess....
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
Im gonna withhold judgement until i see how the process was carried out. THough the fact that one of the locations in his constituency was about 100 places below the most urgent needed areas and was selected must be explained! however the list shorthall drew up seems to have been based mainly on choosing the poorest areas to locate these centres and that seems ridiculous also.
Would also be interested in the selection criteria. Is it the idea that such primary care centres are to be targeted at medical card holders only? Is there a further objective to reduce the costs to the State of the medical card? Also, I would wonder if demographics, population mass, population density and existing levels of service were considered.
Sounds like a mess from the start, compounded by a poor working relationship between the two Ministers in that Department. This should not have happened.
When Hogan Reilly and their cohort dismantle the Croke Park agreement they'll go after the lowest paid, make a show of sacking a few thousand earning less than 30k and probably provoke a teacher strike.
They will secure their own perks and pay and any money saved will go to pay the unsecured bond holders in the german banks, in the meantime the wages that went ot low paid civil servants will be sucked out of the local economy meaning more business closures, more mortgage defaults and more bank debt which we pay for.
Compaints about Croke Park from Tony O'Reilly and his organ and from right wing politicians are a screen to deflect attentiopn away from the bigger scandal of how the Irish nomenclatura are still bleeding this country white.
For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
- I don't know how to multiquote, so this is all formatted incorrectly.
Originally Posted by FORWARD....
That may or may not be true-this is the letter that was 'found' today? But either way, it certainly wasn't the reason for today's resignation, as you very well know. Her resignation was always coming after last week's nonendorsement of your old GP, the Labour Party's lack of support for Roisin since her Dail speech and their 'brisk' meeting today. First she voted confidence in Reilly, then she was exposed as a liar - so her credibility was doubly shot. She had to walk-OD
The really interesting speculation now is how long for Dr. Reilly?
And the really, really interesting speculation now is: how long for Gilmore? -OD
I've corrected that to include my original post. Your take on this doesn't seem to be taking hold on this or elsewhere. More spin needed.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else. Alan Quinlan Irish Times April 24th 2013
It's quite simple to the right of the reply with quote button is a button with a quotation box and + sign. Click this button on all quotes that you want to quote then I click the reply with quote button on the last of the quotes I want and they come out in the order they were posted. Thats how I do it anyhow.
Hope I haven't over complicated that.
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Kudos to Shortall there actually is someone in the Dail with principiles I thought I would never live to see the day. I think Oscar Wilde can be applied to O'Reilly at this stage to lose one colleague may be regarded as a misfortune to lose two looks like carelessness. His days are numbered but he need not worry too much I dont see this government being around to bring in the budget of 2013 will fall next year and good riddance I say.
This thankfully will also see the back of Gilmore and Kenny and we can look forward to seeing Gerry more active in the corridors of power.
I am one of the 5 clowns woo hoo
There is no one in the Dáil with principles.
I will bid farewell to Happy and Enda but to replace them with GA and the rest of the scum from SF is a bridge too far. If that happens we may as well shut up shop. Time to get out the passport.
To each their own. Personally I am disillusioned with the traditional parties of power here in Ireland they are self serving parasites and both FF & FG have a violent past.
FF destroyed the country FG & Labour are burying it, between them they are, in my opinion, directly responsible for hundreds of deaths through stress, suicide. Tens of thousands have to leave whilst they and their friends live a comfortable life and for whom the depression has not touched. And you call SF scum, very odd but as I say to each their own.
I am one of the 5 clowns woo hoo
If it's navel-gazing consensus that you seek, then it's probably best to put me on 'ignore'.
The day that my 'take' on current affairs reflects the 'thoughts' of the great unwashed will be the day that I contact Aviva Health Care to make my reservation for their Swiss-based suicide booth.
I agree with you regarding the debacle of the maintream parties. But do explain the violent past of FF and FG, both were founded after the civil war. SF have been involved in more bloodshed in this country than any other party. I am not a member of any party and not particularly supportive of any of them but I can't agree that SF offer anything that hasn't already been perpetrated on the Irisgh people. Gerry, Pierce and MaryLou are full of empty rhetoric. Their ecomonic policies do not hold water. Their election would be a disaster.
In fairness the current showers economic policies don't hold water either. While I'm not a supporter of SF I think if the younger generation took the step to ask those such as Adams etc to step a side before the next election they could make huge gains in seats and possibly end up in coalition with FF.
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
No matter who the public face of Sinn Fein is there should be no place for them in our Government.
FG/Lab policies have all the water holding capabilities of a sieve. FG & FF were bourne of violence pedantic to suggest otherwise but again only my opinion. It is 15 years since the final IRA ceasefire a lot has changed in that time I would agree with McCloud if the older heads were to step aside I think SF would have an excellent election. That being said I would not be at all surprised to see them hold the balance of power with them still in tow.
I am one of the 5 clowns woo hoo
Ah now, there's no confusing you with the great unwashed. Your views on this latest political episode are unique. So no need for the good Swiss medical system solution just yet.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else. Alan Quinlan Irish Times April 24th 2013
Labour IT guys up to speed at least her page on Labour web site gone
I am one of the 5 clowns woo hoo
The IRA are still active in gathering intelligence and recruitment. They havent gone away, you know.
There is a HSE Primary Care Centre here in the middle of Carlow, in Shamrock Plaza. Kavy will know the place. It takes up the floor of an apartment/office block. Their rent alone is €2000 a week. http://maps.google.ie/?ll=52.836321,...bp=12,315,,0,0
Muck-rakers and snot suckers may wish to note that, before Shortall inappropriately instructed the HSE to re-grade the priority list to suit her own agenda, the Swords Primary Health Care was regarded as a priority by the HSE.
http://www.fingal-independent.ie/new...k-2656812.html
You are absolutely correct. The thing is the politicians first loyalty is to themselves, and the same goes for the political party. Safeguarding seats is the biggest show in town and anything which needs to be done to do this will be done.
They are all very well aware of how the people vote. Nobody has to look back further than the last general election to see that the disgraced FF were replaced with themselves under a slightly different name and by individuals with slightly different names and faces. Ultimately they are the same party. The Labour Party senior members are along for the ride. The likes of Gilmore and Rabbitte are not concerned much with the future. They have guaranteed Minster's pensions and that is the important thing. There is no discernable difference between them and their pals in FF/FG.
As for the current Sinn Fein party, just like their older brother FF/FG, once they get into power they will end up not being too different. It is easy to sing from the rooftops about all the ills of the world when there is nothing you can do about it, not so easy when you get the power and you need the safe middle class vote which will return you in the next election. Prior to the last election Labour were going to give everybody the sun and the stars. All they've given most is some extra pain. They will lose some of their support in the following election but not all as they have a healthy core vote in the solid middle class urban areas.
So I'm unconvinced it matters at all who one votes for. The players are not important. It is the whole structure which is faulty.
It opened in 2009 - so not even McCloud at his most deluded can blame Reilly for that one!
As far as I know, the company that used to run it, Prime Healthcare (set up by a former special adviser to the HSE's Brendan Drumm), is currently being liquidated!
I've heard of a few similar cases where the original developers of a PCC have gone under or are going under, GPs and builders/investors were the usual groupings. They bought land, drew up plans, even completed building the centres only to find that the expected rent coming from the HSE cash machine had been drastically cut. The big rentals were to come from the HSE primary care services, public health, psychiatry in the community, etc etc. No money for anyone to move to the new shiny facility anymore.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else. Alan Quinlan Irish Times April 24th 2013
OD, if, as you say, that was "the letter that Reilly sent her on 12 July last" why does Reilly refer to Shorthall's "letter of 20 July"
“We’re in this mess, not because Fianna Fail policies have failed, but because they have succeeded.” They haven't gone away, you know"
The thought of FF getting back into power is terrifying. FG and LAB can't get us out of the mess that FF/PD/Greenie(spit)coalition got us into. If we keep going down the route of cuts from the bottom we are doomed to fail. We need to start doing what the Spanish and Greeks people are doing before this shower sit up and take notice.
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