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    Reilly and primary health care centres

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    Last Updated: Friday, September 21, 2012, 11:48




    Reilly constituency sites added to care centre list
    PAUL CULLEN and MARTIN WALL


    Two locations in Minister for Health James Reilly’s north Dublin constituency were added to a list of places chosen for primary care centres after the final list drawn up by the HSE was passed to his department, The Irish Times has learned.


    Swords and Balbriggan were among five locations added to the priority list for building new primary care centres announced by the Minister last July. Neither featured in lists of the top 30 locations which the HSE recommended should receive priority in the development of new centres by public-private partnerships, documents obtained under freedom of information show.


    The decision to change the list was challenged by Minister of State for Primary Care Róisín Shortall, who told Dr Reilly she found it “hard to understand”.


    Ms Shortall raised the issue again in her speech on the no-confidence motion in the Minister last Wednesday night, when she called for decisions on primary care centres to be transparent and objective.


    Government policy, repeatedly stated by the two Ministers, is that priority for primary care centres be given to areas of urban and rural deprivation.


    Fianna Fáil health spokesman Billy Kelleher said the Irish Times report was "deeply unsettling".


    "At face value, it appears that political interference has taken place in a selection process that is both of enormous clinical importance and significant commercial value. If this is the case, it must surely be the final straw for a Minister whose 18 month tenure has been a catalogue of disorder, disappointment and dysfunction."


    Mr Kelleher said he has asked for the health committee be convened on Monday to discuss the issue with Dr Reilly. He also called on the Department of Health to publish all details of representations received by GPs and public representatives from the north Dublin area in advance of these locations being added to the HSE list.


    Documentation shows that initially some 200 locations were earmarked in order of priority for primary care centres by the HSE. Swords ranked 130th in this list while Balbriggan ranked 44th. The list was later narrowed down to 20 priority locations on the instructions of Ms Shortall.


    After the file left her office, a new list of 30 priority locations was sent by the HSE to the secretary general of the Department of Health and a special adviser to Dr Reilly. When the locations were finally announced by the Government in July, the list had been expanded to a total of 35 locations, including Swords and Balbriggan.


    The department said last night the final list was changed to bring greater certainty to the successful development of centres.


    “Experience on the ground in a range of areas has shown that securing the involvement of GPs in such primary care centres can be difficult. The difficulty can be added to in the event that the options of the HSE are limited.”


    The Government had now selected 35 potential centres for development with an undertaking to complete 20 of them, the department said. “It is hoped that by this dynamic the interest of doctors in securing the establishment of primary care centres in their area will be enhanced.”


    On July 20th last, three days after Dr Reilly announced the list of locations, Ms Shortall wrote saying, “I find it difficult to understand the basis on which the 35 locations which you published on Tuesday were selected.”


    Dr Reilly’s spokesman was unable to say last night whether any documentation existed to explain the rationale for choosing the final list of 35 centres. Asked about the fact that two of the five centres added to the list were in the Minister’s constituency, he expressed confidence that all the locations chosen were “in real need of a primary care centre”.


    In her Dáil speech earlier this week, Ms Shortall said: “Decisions on where primary care centres are located must be transparent and objective, based on health need and no other consideration. Primary care centres, just like schools, are essential public infrastructure and should be provided on the same basis.”


    Last night, her spokesman said she had no involvement in drawing up the final list of locations. The department said the list was published “following consultation between Ministers and senior officials”.


    Dr Reilly is involved in a partnership that aimed to build a primary care centre on land near Swords that was purchased in 2007. The three-man group obtained planning permission for the venture and was chosen by the HSE at the time as its “preferred provider” but the agreement was not completed after one of the parties withdrew from the deal.


    Dr Reilly told the Dáil last July the project was not being proceeded with and the property was for sale. It remains on the market, his spokesman confirmed last night. The department said the HSE was now examining a proposal to deliver a centre at another location in Swords by leasing accommodation.


    Three other sites were added to the final list of 35 locations. Ballaghaderreen was ranked by officials outside the top 200 locations, Kilkenny city was outside the top 150, while Darndale in Dublin was ranked 43rd.
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    I'm delighted to learn that my former GP is looking after his own backyard so well. Long may it continue! Of course, after practicing as a GP in Fingal for the past 25 years, it would be absurd for anyone from outside the area to accuse him of not knowing the what the medical priorities in his own constituency are!

    I'm really looking forward to reading the press release from Clare Daly (also a Dublin North TD) condemning this kind of thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by munstershane View Post
    FG by name, FF by nature.

    What was I thinking when I helped vote in this shower?
    Yea it really is FF lite at this stage. I dont know what I was on neither Munstershane but next time I am voting radical, the establishment only looks after the establishment.
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    Roísin Shortall really has lost all patience with Dr Reilly at this point .. she's leaving him swing every chance she gets .. there must be a re-shuffle coming up in the cabinet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lahinch_lass View Post
    Roísin Shortall really has lost all patience with Dr Reilly at this point .. she's leaving him swing every chance she gets .. there must be a re-shuffle coming up in the cabinet.
    A reshuffle all right - but not in Cabinet! I'd say that quite a few Labour backbenchers are looking forward to taking over Shortall's job shortly. My money's on Aodhan O'Riordan.

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    A reshuffle all right - but not in Cabinet! I'd say that quite a few Labour backbenchers are looking forward to taking over Shortall's job shortly. My money's on Aodhan O'Riordan.
    Her latest media soundbites are appalling. I don't know how she hasn't been sacked already.

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    I'd be happy to see the back of her. Pain in the arse

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    Reilly has not done anything wrong, if this was the FF shower there would be no beauty parade or raffle, the likes of Bertie would have this stiched up ages ago and future votes in the bag and counting, developers/builders/contractors all lined up to cough up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    A reshuffle all right - but not in Cabinet! I'd say that quite a few Labour backbenchers are looking forward to taking over Shortall's job shortly. My money's on Aodhan O'Riordan.
    Did you see your former GP interviewed on the evening news yesterday?

    He was far from impressive. I cannot see him surviving for another 6 months in his current position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorob View Post

    Did you see your former GP interviewed on the evening news yesterday?

    He was far from impressive. I cannot see him surviving for another 6 months in his current position.
    I did - and today as well. The same GP who opened up his surgery one Christmas Day many years ago to treat my very ill young son.

    He's playing a blinder. Although he'll probably be gone soon, right enough - but that'll be because of his Celtic Tiger excesses rather than courtesy of his nemesis in the DoH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    You did - and today as well. The same GP who opened up his surgery one Christmas Day many years ago to treat my very ill young son.

    He's playing a blinder. Although he'll probably be gone soon, right enough - but that'll be because of his Celtic Tiger excesses rather than courtesy of his nemesis in the DoH.
    Back in the good old days when you could get hold of your GP when you needed him.

    I do not believe he is doing a good job though. He is talking the talk but failing to deliver but then it is an impossible brief and virtually impossible for anyone to do a good job there.

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    The hoopla over Reilly is ridiculous media horse****. I think he's doing a pretty good job so far, most of the HSE dislike him already which is a sure sign he's doing a good job. The fact Shorthall won't back him is irrelevant, but the media have the public convinced otherwise. He needs to be given TIME...

    The fact some people are comparing Reilly to FF of the past shows the lack of understanding of what is actually going on.
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    ok i dont think he's doing himself any favours with stuff like this given the attention is obviously going ot be on him. Still reckon he knows what hes doing or at least has a plan but needs to add some level of political nouse (or basic professionalism and politeness) to his repertoire. Having said that if I worked with shorthall id struggle to be polite but he needs to include/inform labour in decisions occasionally before telling press etc. he got something out of the consultants, wonder what his manner is like in negotiaions?
    He may of course have reckoned she was just being a bollox intentionally avoiding his constituency when she drafted the order of the list (if it was her who did so, report earlier suggested it was). his bull headedness is both his strength and his weakness

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    Shorthall is a thicko like so many people living in this island but unlike most she is a dangerous one.lets hope she doesnt drive. I wish she would get sacked at this stage.

    However, Reilly I thought was trying to do a half decent job in an impossible situation. he always appeared to me to have an integrity about him and it seemed as though he was methodically working through some of the crap and putting in place a system where we can start from. i was happy he cut new consultants pay.he is after surviving a no confidence vote in him, 2 appearances with brian on the news and then is so ****in stupid he puts 2 of his own constituency sites up for the primary care sites when they are way down the list...even if they werent. he shouldnt have. I guess they are all the same after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John123 View Post
    The hoopla over Reilly is ridiculous media horse****. I think he's doing a pretty good job so far, most of the HSE dislike him already which is a sure sign he's doing a good job. The fact Shorthall won't back him is irrelevant, but the media have the public convinced otherwise. He needs to be given TIME...

    The fact some people are comparing Reilly to FF of the past shows the lack of understanding of what is actually going on.
    I'd be comparing him to FF because he added 2 possible primary care centres to the list from his own local voting area.
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    Reilly needs time, as would anybody in this situation. I would like to hear the Argument for the Balbriggan and Swords facilities apparently being bumped up the "List" before I would Judge him. Is the "List" accurate? Does anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar Moon View Post
    Reilly needs time, as would anybody in this situation. I would like to hear the Argument for the Balbriggan and Swords facilities apparently being bumped up the "List" before I would Judge him. Is the "List" accurate? Does anyone know?
    today's Irish Times quotes Reilly's basis for adding Balbriggan as being that it has the 2nd highest unemployment rate in Dublin with no primary health provider and no direct transport links to either Beaumont or Drogheda hospitals. Since the HSE original list focused on urban deprivation , this seems a pretty reasonable addition

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    Quote Originally Posted by acskerries View Post
    today's Irish Times quotes Reilly's basis for adding Balbriggan as being that it has the 2nd highest unemployment rate in Dublin with no primary health provider and no direct transport links to either Beaumont or Drogheda hospitals. Since the HSE original list focused on urban deprivation , this seems a pretty reasonable addition
    Pretty well NOWHERE has direct public transport links to Beaumont and Drogheda. It has been flagged for 20 years plus in the NE with official after official claiming its someone else's responsibility.
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    After listening to The Dail Debate Today I would be confident that Reilly is reasonable in adding Balbriggan and Swords to the Sites gaining a Primary Care Facility. I am not so sure however that having Investments in Private Medicine and Nursing Homes is a great Idea. Couldn't he have bought Shares in CRH instead?

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    I think balbriggan was something like 30th on the list, while Swords was 100 places lower on the ratings.
    Personally think reilly is a bit of a shister, I don't trust him. Don't trust Kenny either and felt that the two fo them properly shafted Denis Naughton telling him that they would not downgrade roscommon and then washing their hands of it in seconds flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    A reshuffle all right - but not in Cabinet! I'd say that quite a few Labour backbenchers are looking forward to taking over Shortall's job shortly. My money's on Aodhan O'Riordan.
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    As predicted!

    Woman overboard - don't launch the lifeboats!
    Sadly the wrong person went overboard. Pity that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCloud View Post
    Sadly the wrong person went overboard. Pity that.
    That's a bit harsh on Kathleen Lynch - but then you've always been a bit strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    That's a bit harsh on Kathleen Lynch - but then you've always been a bit strange.
    Leaving aside the issue about adding 2 primary care centres on his own patch. If your comfortable with a named debtor (Stubbs Gazette) and someone who has a charge registered against him by one of the pillar banks being in charge of a budget of 13.6 billion euro bully for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCloud View Post
    Leaving aside the issue about adding 2 primary care centres on his own patch. If your comfortable with a named debtor (Stubbs Gazette) and someone who has a charge registered against him by one of the pillar banks being in charge of a budget of 13.6 billion euro bully for you.
    I'd be far happier if he sorted out his financial problems. But, not being a complete fool, I realise that doing so will take time. As an aside, I have little doubt that, if he had manged to resolve his financial problems very quickly, then you'd have been among the first to wonder who had given him a dig-out!

    I believe that if he cannot sort things out by year-end at the latest, then Kenny simply must tell him to step aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    I'd be far happier if he sorted out his financial problems. But, not being a complete fool, I realise that doing so will take time. As an aside, I have little doubt that, if he had manged to resolve his financial problems very quickly, then you'd have been among the first to wonder who had given him a dig-out!

    I believe that if he cannot sort things out by year-end at the latest, then Kenny simply must tell him to step aside.
    Fair enough end of year for you my opinion would be he should step down now and attend to his own affairs as I cannot see how he can do that and run a department at the same time.
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    Primary care centre selection process 'undermined' - Fianna Fáil
    Updated: 09:35, Wednesday, 3 October 2012



    Fianna Fáil has said Minister for Health James Reilly has fundamental questions to answer following a newspaper report on the location of primary healthcare centres.




    Junior health minister Roisin Shortall resigned last week over Mr Reilly's decision to add locations, including two in his own constituency, to a list of proposed primary healthcare centres.


    The Irish Independent reports today that a supporter of Mr Reilly owns the site in the minister's Dublin constituency where the health centre is to be built.


    Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Fianna Fáil finance spokesman Michael McGrath said the credibility of the selection process for locating the centres now lay in tatters.


    He said: "We now need to have Minister Reilly come before the House, make a comprehensive statement to the Dáil on the selection criteria that was used and to take questions from the Opposition spokespersons.


    "We will be calling on him again today, as we did yesterday, to do that because we are not satisfied with the information that has now come into the public domain.


    "It raises fundamental questions that really need to be answered and the entire integrity of the selection process has now been undermined."


    In a statement issued by a spokesman, the minister said it was important to note that the article made no suggestion of impropriety on his part and there was no question of any impropriety in the connection between him and the businessman Seamus Murphy.


    The minister said it was correct that Mr Murphy was a Fine Gael supporter and that a property owned by Mr Murphy was used to promote him during a General Election campaign.


    Mr Reilly said it was not the case, as suggested in the article, that there was controversy about the possible development of a primary care centre by way of lease at the Dublin Road site in Balbriggan.


    The minister said the recent addition of Balbriggan to a list of potential towns that may seek to develop a primary care centre by way of a Public Private Partnership was an entirely separate matter.
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