Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 77
  1. #1

    The referee appreciation thread

    Don't think we have one of these, although the idea did cross my mind before now. The least appreciated and most criticised participants in every game we watch, referees get a hard time of it from supporters, players and even coaches (with occasional hilarious results - I'm looking at you, Mr Venter). While it kinda goes against our natural instincts, I think there should be a place for objectively discussing referees and officials, their performances, their foibles and individual interpretations of the laws, whether they are getting better at their job, giving credit where it is due for a particular decision or overall performance, etc. It's not intended to be a place for handing out personal abuse or ranting - I guess we'll see how that goes after our first encounter with our favourite French BFF ....

    Contributions from those who have experience of refereeing and have actually done a course or two are particularly welcome - I know we have a few of those on the forum and am always glad to see a more knowledgeable view being expressed.

    Anyway - to get the ball rolling, I was pleasantly surprised and impressed by the way Andrew McMenemy handled yesterday's game, particularly at the scrum. He seemed to know what he was talking about and gave very clear directions to the props on both sides, and didn't grow to favour one pack or another as the game went on. In terms of overall game management, he delivered warnings to both sides when the respective penalty counts were starting to climb and acted upon those warnings with sinbinnings, yet managed to do so whilst facilitating continuity and without seeming whistle-happy or making himself the primary focus of the game. He also had a pretty robust no-nonsense response to Pavanello's attempt at swaying his judgement when giving one such warning. I thought it was a good, even creditworthy showing, and a welcome improvement on the standard of officiating we tend to expect from Scottish refs.
    Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.

    - Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to mr chips For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    I knew you were on the turn Chips after last nights love letters but I never dreamed it was this bad.
    well looka

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to MrsMcGahan For This Useful Post:


  5. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by mr chips View Post
    Don't think we have one of these, although the idea did cross my mind before now. The least appreciated and most criticised participants in every game we watch, referees get a hard time of it from supporters, players and even coaches (with occasional hilarious results - I'm looking at you, Mr Venter). While it kinda goes against our natural instincts, I think there should be a place for objectively discussing referees and officials, their performances, their foibles and individual interpretations of the laws, whether they are getting better at their job, giving credit where it is due for a particular decision or overall performance, etc. It's not intended to be a place for handing out personal abuse or ranting - I guess we'll see how that goes after our first encounter with our favourite French BFF ....

    Contributions from those who have experience of refereeing and have actually done a course or two are particularly welcome - I know we have a few of those on the forum and am always glad to see a more knowledgeable view being expressed.

    Anyway - to get the ball rolling, I was pleasantly surprised and impressed by the way Andrew McMenemy handled yesterday's game, particularly at the scrum. He seemed to know what he was talking about and gave very clear directions to the props on both sides, and didn't grow to favour one pack or another as the game went on. In terms of overall game management, he delivered warnings to both sides when the respective penalty counts were starting to climb and acted upon those warnings with sinbinnings, yet managed to do so whilst facilitating continuity and without seeming whistle-happy or making himself the primary focus of the game. He also had a pretty robust no-nonsense response to Pavanello's attempt at swaying his judgement when giving one such warning. I thought it was a good, even creditworthy showing, and a welcome improvement on the standard of officiating we tend to expect from Scottish refs.
    Yup, thought he was excellent myself. Doesn't love the sound of his own voice and the match was never about him, more how he could facilitate what people came to watch. I had never seen him before and would have no issue seeing him reffing us as the season progresses.

    Dealt with the frontrow scuffle well too. There were actually quite a few punches thrown in that flurry. Good to see Archer not shying away from that aspect when it is started by the other side.

  6. #4
    Admiral of the Fleet the plastic paddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Cider country
    I thought the ref against Embra had a very good game as well. Watched l'Idiot this morning in the NZ V Arg game and sure enough the scrum was a complete free for all with everyone at every sort of angle. The breakdown was completely mental as well. I really believe his reffing is dangerous. One thing about Poite is at least he is consistently bad even if his ridiculous interpretations bare little resemblance to the laws of the game. Nig is giving a master class at the moment in Perth, clear, consistent and concise, best ref in the world for me.

  7. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to the plastic paddy For This Useful Post:


  8. #5
    Poite has descended into our caricature of him.
    Vorsprung durch Pfennig.

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to Thomond78 For This Useful Post:


  10. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by MrsMcGahan View Post
    I knew you were on the turn Chips after last nights love letters but I never dreamed it was this bad.
    On the turn?

    He's like a fecking gyroscope.
    Vorsprung durch Pfennig.

  11. #7
    Admiral of the Fleet the plastic paddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Cider country
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomond78 View Post
    Poite has descended into our caricature of him.
    He is beyond the worst of our collective imaginings T78.

  12. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by the plastic paddy View Post
    He is beyond the worst of our collective imaginings T78.
    I have a vivid, ornate and wide imagination. Especially when it comes to profanity inspired by that prannet.
    Vorsprung durch Pfennig.

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Thomond78 For This Useful Post:


  14. #9
    My name is Mandy and I live with my mom! i_like_cake's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    By the Bar....

    Re: The referee appreciation thread

    Do we really think this will be an appreciation thread....??
    He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

  15. #10
    In fairness, that Scottish lad WAS good. He should be looked at to see if he can kick on.
    Vorsprung durch Pfennig.

  16. #11
    Leader of the Red Hordes Waterfordlad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Ireland
    We've had 2 decent refs from 2 so far this season
    I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat

  17. #12
    The scottish ref Andrew McMenemy is an interesting case .. he's been reffing IRB 7's series for years, and I saw him reffing at the womens RWC in england last year. He's always been pretty decent whenever I've seen him. the womens RWC was the first time I saw him reffing 15's and that was back on the old 4-phase scrum rule, he tended to explain exactly what he wanted from both packs early on & enforced it consistently therafter. He does very much concentrate on what the front row are up to, not so much on any shenanigans the flankers might pull.
    Plato: \"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.\"

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to lahinch_lass For This Useful Post:


  19. #13
    Leader of the Red Hordes Boo-boo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Neutral Zone
    CAn you rename the thread the' Depreciation thread' when the season is over?
    ...and Mr. Crow comes on for Mr. Magpie.

  20. The Following User Says Thank You to Boo-boo For This Useful Post:


  21. #14
    Might well have to!! Anyway, let's see how Rolland and chums get on this Friday evening. Hopefully this thread will be full of positive comments regardless of the result ....
    Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.

    - Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself

  22. #15
    Admiral of the Fleet the plastic paddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Cider country
    George Clancy had a very good game in Dunedin, bravely reffed NZ strictly at the breakdown and the Saffers turned over plenty of ball as a result. Well done George.

  23. The Following User Says Thank You to the plastic paddy For This Useful Post:

    taz

  24. #16
    The Irish Examiner has a piece which notes the referees for the first 2 rounds of ERC action -
    Meanwhile, Munster fans will be relieved to note the province’s least favourite referee, Romain Poite, will not be involved in either of the two opening Heineken Cup fixtures.

    Munster’s away match to Racing Metro will be handled by England’s Greg Garner, while Wayne Barnes takes charge of round two against Edinburgh at Thomond Park.

    Champions Leinster will, however, have a French referee or their opener against Exeter Chiefs at the RDS on October 13. The game will be handled by Pascal Gauzere, while Garner will officiate at their second match — away to Llanelli Scarlets. Ulster’s first game against Castres Olympique will be handled by England’s Andrew Small and their second against Glasgow by Frenchman Mathieu Raynal. Welshman Leighton Hodges takes the opening Connacht game away to Zebre and Frenchman Jerome Garces is in charge of the second, the home game to Harlequins.

    Irish referees feature heavily, with John Lacey (Edinburgh v Saracens), Peter Fitzgibbon (Clermont v Scarlets) and George Clancy (Harlequins v Biarritz) featuring on opening day. Alain Rolland (Castres v Northampton), Dudley Phillips (Biarritz v Zebre), George Clancy (Cardiff Blues v Toulon) and Lacey (Exeter v Clermont) are in action for round two.

    Phillips gets another European experience when he refs the Bordeaux-Begles v London Irish game in the Amlin Challenge Cup round one while Leo Colgan (Cavaliera Prato v London Welsh) and David Wilkinson (Rugby Mogliano v London Wasps) get games in round two to give Ireland the biggest refereeing representation over the two competitions.
    Plato: \"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.\"

  25. #17
    The one to watch there, in my view, is Jerome Garces. A truly awful Referee as Connacht or Harlequins will find out in Round Two.

  26. #18
    In the Departure Lounge Old Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Hy-brassil
    Quote Originally Posted by lahinch_lass View Post

    ..................

    Irish referees feature heavily, with John Lacey (Edinburgh v Saracens), Peter Fitzgibbon (Clermont v Scarlets) and George Clancy (Harlequins v Biarritz) featuring on opening day. Alain Rolland (Castres v Northampton), Dudley Phillips (Biarritz v Zebre), George Clancy (Cardiff Blues v Toulon) and Lacey (Exeter v Clermont) are in action for round two.

    Phillips gets another European experience when he refs the Bordeaux-Begles v London Irish game in the Amlin Challenge Cup round one while Leo Colgan (Cavaliera Prato v London Welsh) and David Wilkinson (Rugby Mogliano v London Wasps) get games in round two to give Ireland the biggest refereeing representation over the two competitions.

    I'm a bit surprised to note that (ex-Leinsterman) J P Doyle hasn't been given even an Amlin Cup game. He has been reffing very well in the APL so far this season. He's certainly a lot better than Wilkinson (to name but one). Has McDowell hung up his whistle?

  27. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    I'm a bit surprised to note that (ex-Leinsterman) J P Doyle hasn't been given even an Amlin Cup game. He has been reffing very well in the APL so far this season. He's certainly a lot better than Wilkinson (to name but one). Has McDowell hung up his whistle?
    It's all the more surprising given he's being pushed to go further, apparently. There often seem to be turf wars between the ERC and IRB as regards who's rewarded as the best refs.
    Vorsprung durch Pfennig.

  28. #20
    Is that pair of knickers from Wales retired or was he left go.....James Jones. Havent seen him fu*k a match up in ages.
    Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, a pint in one hand, wine in the other totally worn out and screaming \'WOOO HOOOO\' what a ride! I wanna go round again.

  29. #21
    He's Not The Messiah! munstershane's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Ireland
    I think the Welsh RFU kicked him. Read it somewhere a while back.
    I'll Flake Ya!

    http://dontbuythesun.co.uk/1.png

    "Be moderate in everything, including moderation." - Horace Porter

  30. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar Moon View Post
    The one to watch there, in my view, is Jerome Garces. A truly awful Referee as Connacht or Harlequins will find out in Round Two.
    I always thought Garces was fairly highly regarded. He seems to have been on the ball in most of the games I've seen him ref. He seems to have a good feel for the game. He's like Owens in that the games he refs tend to flow fairly well.

    The best example, as I'm sure has been mentioned before, is England-Scotland a couple of years ago. Poite reffed about an hour of brutal stop-start rugby before he injured himself. Garces reffed the remainder and it was like watching a different game.

    I'd have rated Garces as the best of the French refs by a distance (which doesn't say a lot, its like being called the most civilized American supporter at Medinah), and definitely better than most of the gobdaws we're stuck with week in week out in the Rabo.

  31. The Following User Says Thank You to Speedee For This Useful Post:


  32. #23
    Luke Fitz's Agent
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    The Banner
    \"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
    Dalai Lama

  33. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to John123 For This Useful Post:


  34. #24
    Munster Dog of War
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Ireland
    I did an affiliate referee course last night for mini to U19s....I would recomend anyone interested in the game to do one...opened my eyes to tought task it is to ref a match......

  35. #25
    so that suggests he's still a WRU ref, he just isn't a full-time employee anymore. Very few ref's would be full-time employees of their respective unions. Very often the ref's who are employed in full-time positions are those who've retired from being match referees.
    Plato: \"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.\"

  36. #26
    In the Departure Lounge Old Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Hy-brassil
    So why is the name "James Jones" appearing on a "Referees Appreciation" thread"? Some mistake surely?

  37. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
    So why is the name "James Jones" appearing on a "Referees Appreciation" thread"? Some mistake surely?
    Appreciating the fact that we haven't had him officiating yet
    Plato: \"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.\"

  38. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to lahinch_lass For This Useful Post:


  39. #28
    Combatlogo is a fine referee!

  40. #29
    Leader of the Red Hordes Waterfordlad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Ireland
    Where is Wombat? Did he get sick of us?
    I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat

  41. #30
    Some things are better appreciated in absentia, and I definitely appreciate the absence of James Jones from any rugby pitch.
    Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.

    - Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •