sub-machinegun ---- ?????Originally Posted by Evil Omer
Well then they're really spreading all sorts of muck. Do you remember the publication or the (alleged...) source? Too much misinformation being fed to make it anything but an official campaign at this stage.
What the procureur said at the initial briefing would rule out anything like that, but such stuff was common in the Balkans area after the war and maybe they're trying to muddy the waters more.
I threw out a what if that was total speculation, your tinfoil hat has turned it around and set an entire scenario that you clearly believe regardless of the same reason that mine was total speculation, we don't know who was where, why or whatever. What kind of person brings the wife and kids to a secret meeting between nuclear conspirators FFS
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
or maybe you're an agent spreading disinformation and attempting to dismiss every piece of truth published to muddy the waters?
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
I know, the black tie and tux gave it away to the sane members
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
In fact I've solved it now, everyone on this thread is in fact an agent of disinformation for each of the security services, attempting to muddy the waters and discredit anything near the truth.......
which would of course make me an agent of disinformation and this post an act of disinformation......
which would make that last comment disinformation, meaning I'm not an agent of disinformation.....
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Had the pleasure of knowing some of those places (did some work near Geneva many years ago), plus one of my kids did Erasmus just on the other side of it (& yes we visited a bit...), hence my interest. The lake is literally crystal clear, but freezing from my memories..... Have a friend still living not too far from there and they only talk about the cover up. Seems there was another such high profile hit not too far away (years ago) and a local was seemingly stitched up; naturally talk of possibility of similar here. The procureur is locally regarded, but they reckon Paris (or London...) is running (ruining...?) this one.
Could you guys who know so much about guns, secret agents and have contacts and sources please let me know in advance where you are going to sit/stand in TP as I don't want to be anywhere near ye. You clearly know too much and will soon be taken ou.....
edit: 99-your link doesn't work for me
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else. Alan Quinlan Irish Times April 24th 2013
The dis-information is there all right, but we'll never officially know quite a lot about what went on behind the scenes.
As for my 'contacts' - just people I worked with...... You can buy any of their 'products' for about €2 (or £1 over there....).
If you need to know, twas East stand, 202 last week, most likely back to E or N tce for rest though (better class . And I wouldn't worry Forward; I don't go to TP tooled up. Maybe oiled up the odd occasion someone else drives......
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But I do have a licence to kill..... small birds and mammals only though
Got two headshots...!! meself about a week ago.)
And the resulting bunny stew was delsih....!!!!
You and your boiled bunny stay well away from the East tce.The dis-information is there all right, but we'll never officially know quite a lot about what went on behind the scenes.
As for my 'contacts' - just people I worked with...... You can buy any of their 'products' for about €2 (or £1 over there....).
If you need to know, twas East stand, 202 last week, most likely back to E or N tce for rest though (better class . And I wouldn't worry Forward; I don't go to TP tooled up. Maybe oiled up the odd occasion someone else drives......
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But I do have a licence to kill..... small birds and mammals only though
Got two headshots...!! meself about a week ago.
And the resulting bunny stew was delsih....!!!!
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else. Alan Quinlan Irish Times April 24th 2013
Did ni one get my "Agent 99" reference? I'm feckin disgusted!
Yes. I was merely mildly amused. This 99 character has forgotten more more than that bimbo ever learned.
Tommy O'Donnell - David Wallace Mk. 2.
I did but was so bemused by trying to work out if we're in the realms of sarcasm or tinfoil headgear (him not you) that I didn't comment
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Facts? In this thread?
Shame on you.
“Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances.”
I know. But when I gets de itch I has ta scratch.
For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
Huffpost adds:
Local paper Le Dauphine raised four key questions about the crime scene, after the area was reopened earlier this week.
Libération reported that marks in asphalt of the car park and on the slope suggested al-Hilli tried to manoeuvre, reverse and hastily drive away, with his doors locked.
Questions were raised by Le Dauphine about the scene stumbled upon by the English cyclist, a former RAF man, who found seven-year-old Zainab al-Hilli lying in the road, beaten round the head, shot in the shoulder and left for dead.
"The English cyclist who discovered the scene had to break the window of the car to cut off the engine. So how is it that the 7-year-old girl was found outside the vehicle, with the doors locked?
"And why was the body of the rider Sylvain Mollier found lying near the car, which is several feet from the road he would have taken? Was the killer hidden? Or did he threaten him?"
Crucially the paper asked why the shooters had not bothered to "clean up" and why two children had been left alive.
"Did they panic after they had to eliminate a troublesome witness [the cyclist] and flee hastily? Did they run out of ammunition?"
In the comments on Libération, locals speculated that target had been the British RAF cyclist, "who might be on Her Majesty's Secret Service", with the French cyclist killed in a case of mistaken identity, and the British family innocent bystanders.
For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
Cyclist (ex-RAF) named here: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_1880146.html
Am a bit surprised at that as he was said to have feared for his life/safety.
Prosecutor now in UK, supposedly following 3 lines of enquiry, says cause is 'in UK'.
Weapon named (again...), same type as I posted, but this time a Czech copy.... vz. 50, but prosecutor refused to confirm/reacted when asked to confirm! Consistent with the Beretta though (they are functionally identical, down to simplicity of parts). Seems cops have/are interviewing older child, not (yet...?) saying what she says/remembers. Enquiry still hasn't been handed over to Police (as would be normal), so locals still talking. Green 4x4 now thought to be forest rangers - i.e. not unusual/involved.
rathbaner, there is some local speculation regarding the RAF man and his role, hadn't heard that he may have been considered a target though. The bit in quotes is what I had heard, the rest I reckon is chaff. Confuse and diffuse?
Corrected that for you
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Watching the interview with Brett Martin and hearing his accent, I would say he is originally from NZ.
Not that I'm an advocate for the Guardian as such, but is there another mainstream UK daily in which you find a significantly higher standard of reporting?Corrected that for you
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
The Guardian can be, and often is, very irritating indeed but it's the only UK newspaper that is not 100% Tory and or Murdoch. I declare an interest as I as once worked there.
All the other national UK dailies are just repulsive, though Telegraph has reliable news coverage.
For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
It doesn't surprise me, Ritchie style : always the first in the wrong place without getting caught
"Mayol, it's like the Canterbury Crusaders fans, but under steroids !" Andrew Mehrtens 2007
Independent? A very different paper to the Irish independent, although painfully dull and right on.
The Independent's far from the worst, in fairness, but I've not read it properly for some years now - the move to AP put me right off. I know it's been independently owned for a while now, but tbh I haven't bothered to check it out since then. For me, the best quality and most reliable source of mainstream news is the Channel 4 news, but I check the Guardian and Beeb NI online pretty much every day, Irish Times and RTE a bit less frequently than that.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
I like the Indie, to be honest, and it's I offshoot.
The Mirror has also been consistently Labour for years (though it's still an unreadable rag).
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
Oddly, the (UK) Independent was bought last year by the same guy who bought the Evening Standard. For those of you who don't know, the Standard is nearly as right wing as the Daily Mail.
“Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances.”
It's more about the fact that people claim because it's not Murdoch then it's reliable - it's just the other side of the fence, they have a left wing agenda they feed the same as the likes of the Mail have a right wing agenda. (Just look at the political views of the people on here who quote it the most to see it serves a political base the same as most of the popular press - that's not a dig just pointing out their readership reflects their views).
Personally I take anything the UK media says with a bucket of salt, (including the mainstream television news which has been displaying some appalling bias and/or celebration in bad news over the past few years), so much is opinion tarted up as news.
Don't forget in terms of quality the apologies the Guardian had to make recently when they made up a load of claims around the journalism scandals. They're as willing to indulge in spats, self interest and agendas ahead of reporting the news and as busted as the rest of them.
Rathbaner, not all the newspapers in the UK are 100% Tory by any shape of the imagination - that is a very simplistic way of presenting it. And, as above, the fact the Guardian isn't Tory doesn't make it truthful, reliable or unbiased, the two are not the same thing.
Last edited by Evil Omer; 15th-September-2012 at 07:58.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
Once it went freebie the Standard became a quick chuck it at the page paper the same as the likes of Metro. Their novelty pieces are usually way more interesting than the news reporting.
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
And the intrigue goes on it seems......
http://www.independent.ie/world-news...r-3232816.html
French police have now said the weapon was a Luger P08 7.65mm. That's the third different weapon (Beretta & CZ previous...) mentioned and what is significant from this statement is that the weapon was standard issue for the Swiss army (& every able-bodied male there had one...). It also had distinctive ammo.
This statement supposedly came from Police, previous gun suggestion came from gendarmes and anon. within the investigators office. Investigation is also being scaled back it seems. So what's going on or are they trying to bury the facts under differing stories? Seems UK police are now investigating another side of Al-Hilli's life - he was very active on extremist islamist and anti-zionist chatrooms. Wonder what they'd make of some of the extremists on this site....
Oh, older girl is now back in UK, seemingly recovering well and under guard at a secret location.
The British security services and police reguarly plant news stories in the right wing press using sympathetic hacks. In particular the Mail and the Sunday Times. The Mail is simply rabid, there is no other word for it (samples here). It still maintains the standards it dis at the time of the Zinoviev Letter it used to smear Labour, not for the first or the last time. The Sunday Times was the house journal of the British security services during the 'Troubles'.
The Guardian (middle class and liberal), The Telegraph (right wing but places a premium on factual reporting), The Independent (just out there but apparently honest) and the FT - (does what it says on the tin) would be the newspapers which I believe make an effort not to be dishonest by design or ommission.
The rest are rags.
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For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
Here's a synopsis of the class structure of Fleet St that's not entirely false:
Hacker: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers: the Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?
Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.
For the over the hill and the past-it, nothing is impossible.
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