Munster v Treviso Friday 7th Sept Team Post #77

[taz]

Time to start focusing on this now,Edinburgh is done and dusted. plenty of positives and plenty to work on.
A second win is important here to keep the momentum building before the Irish internationals come back in.

Treviso secured a win against Ospreys last weekend,but we have to take into account that Ospreys were down to 14 for a lot of the match.Not sure how much we can read into the result.

I'd like to see more of the same as what I saw against Edinburgh,with the defence showing improvement,we cannot afford to ship cheap scores going forward.

I wonder might we see any of the Internationals who did not get a lot of gametime on the NZ tour? Or are we expecting them all back for gameweek 3?

[Colliniho]

I wonder might we see any of the Internationals who did not get a lot of gametime on the NZ tour? Or are we expecting them all back for gameweek 3?

Apart from Zebo I think they all got a decent bit of gametime in NZ so I would be surprised if we saw any more of them back this week. Marcus aside there doesn't really seem to be anyone else due back from injury this week either so we may see a very similar lineup.

The likes of Barnes, Scanlon and Henry will be pushing for inclusion of course
The likes of

[NotreDameRFC]

does anyone know why Doc "was allowed"play the weekend?

i though irfu player management rest window was a blanket ban so to speak for all Irish players....

i know it stupidly(imo) doesn't take in account ..how much players have actually played ...back from injury etc....

Anyone know?...


ps .. delighted he did play....

[lawrence]

They might have to rest him after the hcup games for a while instead....

[DONC]

Would start with Sherry other than that not sure much will (or need to) change. Unless of course BJ is given a bit of a break though Treviso are normally handy up front.

Looking forward to this seems an absolute age since I was at TP.

[Thomond78]

I'd start Sherry and Stringer. I'd also want to see how Lualala is doing on the GRTP before making a call.

[lawrence]

Barring injury i wouldnt make any change, give the new found pairings another chance to play together and iron out the mistakes of last week.

our back 3 linked well with the midfield at times but could be better, williams looked sloppy at times and can improve, keatley needs more time, and maybe give sherry more time off the bench, but we all know what stringer does well and he can he put in at any time to do his job.

[ed7890]

I'd give BJ a rest, give the other props a go

[Captain Average]

I'd like to see a little bit of rotation, to let all the young lads that there are still places up for grabs.
Laulala may need to be rested after being knocked out. Playing treviso, we can afford to play somebody other than him in the centre, although I'd understand Penney wanting to build that centre partnership with Downey some more.
Swap Sherry for Varley, Foley for Holland, and hopefully bring TOD back in at 6 (is he available this week?). I'd be tempted to give Strings a start too, but Williams improved last week, so why not give him another shot? I would prefer to see what Keatley can do with Strings while we're actually trying to play the game too though, as they were mainly on defensive duty by the time Strings came on against Embra.
LOD and Hurley deserve to keep their spots after excellent performances, and well, Dougie is captain, so he's a shoe-in to start.

[NotreDameRFC]

long season ahead...will be interesting on who he picks ...might give us a clue how Penney will manage his squad from here to May...striking the balance between keeping momentum going and making a few changes.

2/3 changes might happen....sherry in....one prop change and one other....

i stick with keatley and Williams again.

[Angus Axe]

Regardless of the 15, I'd like to see more of the playing structure take shape. Looked great in phases on Sat night, so we need to see that develop regardless of who's playing, the whole squad need to be able to play the game plan.

[NotreDameRFC]

Regardless of the 15, I'd like to see more of the playing structure take shape. Looked great in phases on Sat night, so we need to see that develop regardless of who's playing, the whole squad need to be able to play the game plan.

very true....regardless of who plays penneys ethos and playing style should be followed through...

[outside inside]

Treviso gave Ospreys a doing in the scrum with Adam Jones not playing and James gone . Would give Archer the start with BJ on the bench , it would be a good test for him see if he has come on from last season . He has certainly bulked up in the summer break working on his own which shows that his attitude is right . Would also like to see Dineen at 12 with Barnes at 13 given a go , give Downey & Casey a break b4 Ulster away the following week .

[Cowboy]

Put BJ back in the bank vault.

Todgers, Ladies day, O's and 2 HEC games is plenty mileage for as vital a cog as he is.

Sherry, Archer, Dineen step in.

[the plastic paddy]

Would think it will be a very similar team this week, only changes I can see happening would be Laulala because of concussion and Archer in for BJ whose fitness is imperative although I am hopeful that Archer is going to make a big step up this season. Think there could be an argument for Wian being on the bench and Killer starting as well.

[munstershane]

Think there could be an argument for Wian being on the bench and Killer starting as well.

If fit I'd imagine Horan will start or be on the bench since he was named last week only to withdraw due to an injury

[Dowlinz]

I'd like to see the halfbacks changed, Sherry brought in and happy for the rest to stay the same if the internationals haven't returned. Although ideally Zebo at least will be available.

[the_dazz]

I think Penney may make a few changes. Id start Dineen and have Scanlon on the bench to give Laulala a break. Up front TOD for Butler, Sherry to start with Henry on the bench (nothing there against Varley btw, just to get Henry some Rabbo time), Start with Archer and Marcus with Killer and BJ on the bench (nice mix of young/old starting and on the bench). Bring in Foley for Holland or else keep Holland and have Donnellan on the bench. Id stick with Williams for 2 reasons, he improved as the game went on and secondly Stringer made poor choices/execution when coming on with those two **** box kicks which put Munster under needless pressure. Stick with Keatley but would like to see Deasy get 20 minutes. Would like to see BOM get on a bit earlier, which is difficult I know with how well Dougall played, the guy has a serious tank in fairness to him.

[mr chips]

I'd start Sherry and Stringer. I'd also want to see how Lualala is doing on the GRTP before making a call.

Et tu, T78? Casey is not amused ...


Anyway, on the team selection I'd start Archer at TH, the "boy" (what age is he now?) needs to be thrown in against some good propping opposition so he can sink or swim this season. BJ to bench in a "break glass in case of emergency" role for this game. Assuming Puppy is out, I'd hope to see Wian start with Kilcoyne on bench, just to keep a balance of experience and development as the_dazz says. I was well impressed with DOC's performance against Embra and would like to see him do the same again. Holland and Foley to swap start/bench places from the weekend though. I didn't think any of our back row let themselves down, but I'd hand a start to O'Mahoney just to see how he grasps the opportunity.

Halfbacks is the biggest area of concern for me - I was disappointed with both Williams and Keatley, but have to acknowledge how both improved as the game wore on (from admittedly poor performances in the earlier stages) and so I guess I'd give them a chance to cement a playing relationship. Wouldn't be at all disappointed to see Stringer start though.

Casey should never have been allowed to continue playing on Saturday (there are more important things than winning a game) so I hope for his sake that he won't even be on the bench. Dineen acquitted himself well at 13, so start him and bring Barnes onto the bench. Downey is just the 12 we'd been looking for (shades of the great Trev, I thought) so with the season only beginning, for me he's one of the few "nailed-on" starters. As you were with the back three.

[Point]

Barring injury i wouldnt make any change, give the new found pairings another chance to play together and iron out the mistakes of last week.

our back 3 linked well with the midfield at times but could be better, williams looked sloppy at times and can improve, keatley needs more time, and maybe give sherry more time off the bench, but we all know what stringer does well and he can he put in at any time to do his job.

I shake my head when I hear someone come out with that sort of statement about a player. It's such a nonsense thing to write, if we know what they can do, then let them do it !!! Not only that, but if they are able to do it better, it will help the players around him play better. This is about Munster winning, and if players can't bring their A game then they shouldn't be on the team.

[BOK]

I shake my head when I hear someone come out with that sort of statement about a player. It's such a nonsense thing to write, if we know what they can do, then let them do it !!! Not only that, but if they are able to do it better, it will help the players around him play better. This is about Munster winning, and if players can't bring their A game then they shouldn't be on the team.

Would it not be fair to assume that Penney is trying to develop players aswell though at this early stage of the season? It's been well said that Williams didn't have a great game, you'd pressume Penney would have spotted this aswell yet I reckon he'll still get the nod for Treviso. I doubt Strings has been poor in training and the last time he played competitively across the water he did well, so you'd imagine he's persisting with Williams to develop him!

[Thomond78]

Et tu, T78? Casey is not amused ...


"nailed-on" starters.

Era, t'will be grand. I'll blame it one of the tweety blue birds he's seeing around his head since about 19:30 on Saturday.

[Point]

Would it not be fair to assume that Penney is trying to develop players aswell though at this early stage of the season? It's been well said that Williams didn't have a great game, you'd pressume Penney would have spotted this aswell yet I reckon he'll still get the nod for Treviso. I doubt Strings has been poor in training and the last time he played competitively across the water he did well, so you'd imagine he's persisting with Williams to develop him!

I was responding to the usual "we know what he can do" type of comment. Away from that, I was speaking with a friend of mine at the weekend, who is now living in NZ, and he said he was shocked to discover that many in NZ not just have heard of Peter Stringer, but positively HATE him. I wonder is there any carry over of that attitude on Penney's part, especially as my friend had mentioned Stringer's name to a guy involved with one of the S15 squads in NZ, and he confirmed it.

[busby]

We might as well go with Archer in these games. I have to say i'm disappointed he's still seen as second choice as he just appears miles off this level, but if he is second choice we need to make sure he can at least prove himself in early season Rabo games. If he can't do that, then it really is time to look at Ryan/Cotter/Condon.

Aside from that just Sherry in for Varley. I'd give those half backs a few games if a i could, though it would be interesting to see Keatley play off Stringer's service a bit more.

[mr chips]

I was responding to the usual "we know what he can do" type of comment. Away from that, I was speaking with a friend of mine at the weekend, who is now living in NZ, and he said he was shocked to discover that many in NZ not just have heard of Peter Stringer, but positively HATE him. I wonder is there any carry over of that attitude on Penney's part, especially as my friend had mentioned Stringer's name to a guy involved with one of the S15 squads in NZ, and he confirmed it.

That's interesting, any particular reason given? Or is it just that he's an annoying little bollix to play against?

[NotreDameRFC]

I was responding to the usual "we know what he can do" type of comment. Away from that, I was speaking with a friend of mine at the weekend, who is now living in NZ, and he said he was shocked to discover that many in NZ not just have heard of Peter Stringer, but positively HATE him. I wonder is there any carry over of that attitude on Penney's part, especially as my friend had mentioned Stringer's name to a guy involved with one of the S15 squads in NZ, and he confirmed it.

himself and rog aren't rated in Nz at all in general...not rated rather than hated maybe.

[Cill na Martra]

We might as well go with Archer in these games. I have to say i'm disappointed he's still seen as second choice as he just appears miles off this level, but if he is second choice we need to make sure he can at least prove himself in early season Rabo games. If he can't do that, then it really is time to look at Ryan/Cotter/Condon.

Aside from that just Sherry in for Varley. I'd give those half backs a few games if a i could, though it would be interesting to see Keatley play off Stringer's service a bit more.

Agreed. The guy just hasn't the build of a THP. He looks like an overweight blindside. Condon and Ryan have much more conventional builds. Personally, I think Archer is the new Mushy - nothing, I saw last season convinced me otherwise. Why Condon, Ryan and Cotter weren't given a minute in the preseason amazes me.

[Thomond78]

God, there's some almighty balls being talked by people who clearly didn't look at either the pre-seasons or the injury thread...

[RichardP]

I'd start Sherry and Stringer. I'd also want to see how Lualala is doing on the GRTP before making a call.

Ok, I'll bite - WTF is the GRTP?
There are so many nicknames and acronyms flying around now and everyone is expected to know what they are, but i don't. Why call players Father Ted and Dougal and Spock and so on - just use their feckin names...please
Before we all go off saying 'It's just Treviso' let's not forget they turned in quite a few good performances last season and they beat Ospreys on Friday so they're not likely to be a pushover.

[munstershane]

Ok, I'll bite - WTF is the GRTP?

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