What about DOC2,Stander , POM for back row. Youth,agility, ability, abrasivness and a bit of experience all rolled into one
What about DOC2,Stander , POM for back row. Youth,agility, ability, abrasivness and a bit of experience all rolled into one
Last edited by Nuts; 31st-August-2012 at 19:33.
Presume POM is the POD? 9or are tou saying TOD for POD?
Sorry meant DO2 stander n POM
out of those - 2 are riding the crest of a hype wave and havenīt played HEC with us... (but I am hopeful they will)...
Only POM is a certainty... hard as nails bastard is that man......
He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.
Who is the openside? Stander is a 6 or 8.
When things go wrong, blame McGahan
I think once DOC2 is fit he has that no. 6 jersey. Everytime I saw him last year I was hugely impressed and I think he has the ability to be as a good as any 6 we've had in front of us in the last 10 years. Maybe I'm jumping the gun and hyping him too much... The only problem I see is do Munster now pick a position for POM and leave him there and hopefully develop him in to a top class 6, 7 or 8, or move him around when required and have him as very good versatile BR player.Originally Posted by i_like_cake
I've seen better centres in a box of Black Magic
POM, Stander and DOC2 would be my first choice backrow, assuming the rest of the pack can be trained to play the breakdown more effectively. If we are going to be turned over as easily and as regularly as we were last year then Ronan or Dougall may well play a lot of top level rugby this year
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Yup, mine all going to plan would be, 6. DOC II 7. POM 8. Stander
POM has the brain to adapt to any position across the backrow. We need him most at 7 I think.
Would like to see DOC2,POM and CJ as the starters with Dougall,Butler and TOD given gametime also
I presume Coughlan is injured?
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The only definite starter I see for the BR, barring injury(God willing) is one young Mr. O'Mahony.
The other positions will be up for grabs in a big way and I really think Penney will do his best to rotate the back-row as much as possible. We don't really have any stand-out players that are 'miles' better then another. I think Beta is as likely to start any HEC game as Coughlan, Stander or even Dougall for example.
Don't forgot the outstanding form Niall Ronan was in before his injury last year. He was pushing hard for the 7 Green jersey and could well be doing the same again this season for the AIs.
Dunno why but I always seem to forget about Ronan.
I was just beginning to lose faith in him when he started playing some really great rugby and then suffered that injury. I really like our back-row this year,
I'm interested in how much Penney has done with Dougall so far, he might be the bolter this year from the look of it. Our best back rows have always been a 3 from 4 or 5 with the bench a useful tool. I think that will continue to be the case for the next few years.
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Would love if Dougall was a bolter, looking forward to seeing a bit more of him.
After that, POM is a certainty while i'd be amazed if Stander doesn't nail a place pretty quickly. I would hope that Beta and Butler push themselves as the two main men after that, as i feel they have by far the best long term potential compared to Ronan, Coughlan and even TOD.
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Peter o Mahoney cj stander and paddy butler! Size power skill and a bit of much needed hardness!!
Am I the only one who thinks Coughlan has been our best performer in the back row for the last two seasons?
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
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Yes, quite possibly.
Coughlan was outstanding the season before last but last season he was very average. May have had a lot to do with a chyte coaching system and severely weakened team at times but we aren't just forgetting the man, there's a major over-haul in Munster at the moment and realistically Coughlan doesn't have all that much left in him. With Stander, POM, Dougall, Butler, TOD, Beta et al all pushing in and sticking their hand up for selection, I think he'll be hard pushed to keep a regular slot(hopefully, he'll prove me wrong)
no he's not only fit, but in great form. He is only not menioned here
because he's not from SANZAR, and doesn't excite the posters here despite
being the best 8 in the country.
After tonight, coughlan looks to be already a cornerstone of our hec campaign.
How he wasn't in NZ this summer was purely a matter of developing POM.
None of the players you mentioned can play no 8 better than
coughlin, our incumbent no. 8.
As usual on this site, there's a lot of talk about
chickens before they've hatched.
I'll judge Dave ocallaghan when I see him
playing for the munster senior team, and the same with CJ Stander.
stander won't be in munster until round 2 of the HEC,
so mentioning him here should be qualified.
Last edited by mtcmolloy; 1st-September-2012 at 23:00.
Loads of strength and depth as usual in the back row but after Dougall preformance last night, i can see POM at 8 maybe and stander at 6 or 7?
Think PO'M should be told concentrate on N°8. He has the intelligence and footballing ability to really be top class in that position. I think that while he can also play N°6 & N°7, those are more instinctive positions e.g. a good N°7 instinctively knows where to be. An 8 has a lot of decision making to do and I think that will suit PO'M long term. I haven't seen Stander play at all so can't comment on that.
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Think PO'M should be told concentrate on N°8. He has the intelligence and footballing ability to really be top class in that position. I think that while he can also play N°6 & N°7, those are more instinctive positions e.g. a good N°7 instinctively knows where to be as opposed to making decisions. An 8 has a lot of decision making to do and I think that will suit PO'M long term. I haven't seen Stander play at all so can't comment on that.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
I'm with mtcmolloy on this one...how are people discarding Coughlan?!? He's an absolute BANKER to start in the back row. In fact, he is ahead of POM (who I love as a player) despite the fact POM is in Irish squad. The ****e talk on here about DOC2 is hilarious. He may prove in time to be good enough. As for Dougall, who the hell knows?!?
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
Stander, POM & Coughlan are the nailed on starters if fit imo. Stander is a monster, his performances in the currie cup have been top quality.
I think Stander @ 6, POM @7, Coughlan @8
The only thing lance is on is his bike 6 hours a day, busting his ass, what are you on?
I really cant understand the negative feedback on this ite towards Coughlan. Agree with John123, he has been outstanding the last 2
Seasons and has filled the role that Foley used to play. Pom is a huge prspect, but can still be a headless chicken with his temperment. You need experience in the backrow to compliment youth. A combination of Pom, coughlan and Ronan could start the HC , with Doc2, stander, butler, dougall Competing for a place. Its a great situation to have.
Cawlin was excellent last night, and would be in my HEC team. It's fantastic that we have options, a lot of whom are untested whereas Cawlin has ooodles of invaluable experience. Thought himself and Fr Ted were stuck into plenty last night
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You certainly are not. Never lets us down and has been magnificent on occasion. He also seemed to be the pack captain last night?
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I hope Stander is as good a player for Munster in a red shirt ,as he is without ever having worn one.
Sounds ok, but I'd rather see Ocallaghan, with the irish team in mind,
given every opportunity.
In the last twelve - eighteen months Munster have lost Leamy, Wally and Quinny. An international back row and now Munster have DOC2, POM, Coughlan, Dougall, Butler, Ronan, TOD, Stander (soon to have) and BOM to pick from. It's great to be arguing over who to pick in the backrow rather wondering what are they going to do in certain positions.
Correct me if I've missed anyone.
I've seen better centres in a box of Black Magic
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