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    Racism in Limerick?

    Early reports this morning that Man city's Gael Clichy had a banana thrown at him during the Limerick v Man city match.
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    Heard that as well, utter disgrace. Mindless tossers who have never left home and think they are men.

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    There are always a few gowls around in every city, but you'd like to think that he had the head pucked off him by others in the crowd who saw it happen. No place for that in sport or any facet of life.
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    No official complaint from City, no mention of it during the match. Why not raise it through the correct channels instead of mouthing about it on twitter to get the daily mail brigade on the case?

    Either way it wouldn't surprise me if it happened and I doubt it was racially motivated either. Just the usual antics from our "best soccer supporters in the world" continuing their love in with a foreign club Manchester United so naturally Man city are the undying enemy. They booed Balotelli during the Euros for absolutely no reason as well. They continue to be an embarrassment to this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc73 View Post
    Early reports this morning that Man city's Gael Clichy had a banana thrown at him during the Limerick v Man city match.
    Reports where? Link?

    I find this very hard to believe.
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    He probably couldn´t open it, so decided to throw it... the gobsh!te.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowlinz View Post
    No official complaint from City, no mention of it during the match. Why not raise it through the correct channels instead of mouthing about it on twitter to get the daily mail brigade on the case?

    Either way it wouldn't surprise me if it happened and I doubt it was racially motivated either. Just the usual antics from our "best soccer supporters in the world" continuing their love in with a foreign club Manchester United so naturally Man city are the undying enemy. They booed Balotelli during the Euros for absolutely no reason as well. They continue to be an embarrassment to this country.
    It did happen, there's no allegedly about it.
    I'm confused as to why anyone would throw a banana at a black/non-white player for any reason other than racism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathal View Post
    It did happen, there's no allegedly about it.
    I'm confused as to why anyone would throw a banana at a black/non-white player for any reason other than racism?
    Because its the simplest way to aggravate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowlinz View Post
    Because its the simplest way to aggravate them.
    Do they sell bananas in Thomond?

    Or would one need to bring it in for the sole purpose of acting like the ultimate ****wit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taz View Post
    Do they sell bananas in Thomond?

    Or would one need to bring it in for the sole purpose of acting like the ultimate ****wit?
    I wish someone would throw bananas at me because I love eating bananas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taz View Post
    Do they sell bananas in Thomond?

    Or would one need to bring it in for the sole purpose of acting like the ultimate ****wit?
    It had to be brought in. There were plenty there last night who might do something like this and so few stewards on the terraces that nobody would have complained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathal View Post
    It did happen, there's no allegedly about it.
    I'm confused as to why anyone would throw a banana at a black/non-white player for any reason other than racism?
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    No one listened when I said that we shouldn't let that ****ing game anywhere near our stadium. Hopefully this will be ample evidence that it should never darken the door again.
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    It's all about revenue BB ..
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    This sort of stuff just makes me sick to the stomach. Typical soccer s**t that should not be left anywhere near our Thomond. I know they have to try and generate revenue during the summer months and what not but surely this sort of negative publicity is not worth whatever revenue was generated? These little scumbags are becoming an annoying nosebleed in every city in the country. Its a real shame and pisses me right off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taz View Post
    Do they sell bananas in Thomond?

    Or would one need to bring it in for the sole purpose of acting like the ultimate ****wit?
    Because they're Man United fans and its a big deal to them to be as hostile and disruptive when their perceived enemy are in town. I for one consider that more likely than someone trying to make a racial statement.

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    Throwing a banana onto a football pitch isn't a racial statement?

    Next think you'll be telling us that the "fans" who make monkey noises all went to the zoo that morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowlinz View Post
    Because they're Man United fans and its a big deal to them to be as hostile and disruptive when their perceived enemy are in town. I for one consider that more likely than someone trying to make a racial statement.
    Whatever the reasoning behind throwing the banana (Man United fan or not, you're obviously speculating on that point) it's absolutely certain that it was racially motivated. Unless Gael Clichy is famously allergic to bananas and they were trying to send him into Anaphylactic shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowlinz View Post
    Because they're Man United fans and its a big deal to them to be as hostile and disruptive when their perceived enemy are in town. I for one consider that more likely than someone trying to make a racial statement.
    I'm sorry Dowlinz but there is a very small chance that this wasn't racially motivated if you ask me. This whole monkey business has been quite evident in soccer across the water and around Europe for many years, from similar incidents of bananas being thrown at black players to monkey chants. You only have to google it to see how often it occurs. Considering these scumbags in Ireland that would do something like this mostly follow English soccer clubs and are about as intelligent as a sponge, its quite obviously a case of, and pardon the pun, monkey see monkey do.
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    Well, isn't that embarrassing. No doubt some fools will be thinking this is just "banter" but it's seriously f*cking shameful that this can happen at a friendly match in 2012.

    It's 100% a racial attack and also what Dowlinz was talking about, which makes it even more stupid. You really would wonder about the thought processes of these knuckleheads.

    1. "Hurr hurr, I'm going to sneak a banana into Thomond"
    2. "Hurr durr, I'm going to throw it at a City player because I'm Red Devil for life, kid"
    3. Throws banana.
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    I think Dowlinz has a point, but it's massive guess work. There's a distinction to be made between using racist language/harassment to disrupt someone and genuinely racially motivated behaviour. It's possible to use racist actions and language while not actually being racist.

    I'm not sure how you distinguish between a non-racist and a racist engaging in racist behaviour at this remove though. Or whether one automatically becomes the other by dint of using their behaviours.
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    Why not just ignore it.........all these tossers want is to read about it...well reading might be stretching it a bit but you know what I mean. Somone throws a banana on to a pitch.....steward removes it and the game goes on.
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    Sadly this is going to paint Limerick in a very bad light. Every city has their scumbags, but Limerick's really are in the A standard when it comes to damaging their cities reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowlinz View Post
    Because they're Man United fans and its a big deal to them to be as hostile and disruptive when their perceived enemy are in town. I for one consider that more likely than someone trying to make a racial statement.
    Which would be all fine and dandy and perhaps even credible had they lobbed an apple, orange, grapefruit, bunch of grapes, watermelon, pear or almost any fruit other than a banana onto the hallowed turf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balla Boy View Post
    I think Dowlinz has a point, but it's massive guess work. There's a distinction to be made between using racist language/harassment to disrupt someone and genuinely racially motivated behaviour. It's possible to use racist actions and language while not actually being racist.

    I'm not sure how you distinguish between a non-racist and a racist engaging in racist behaviour at this remove though. Or whether one automatically becomes the other by dint of using their behaviours.
    Of course - a non racially motivated banana toss towards a black player. Imagine that as a defense in court.

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    This country doesn't have a significant history of racism, this occurred in the same stadium Simon Zebo plays. It was in the same sport Clinton Morrison was a very popular figure for many years, that Paul McGrath became a national legend in.
    It does however have a very strong record of soccer fans being retards when it comes to identifying with foreign teams. We all know about the "no to foreign games" type in the celtic jersey and the most recent occurrence was just a few weeks ago in the Euros when Balotelli was booed incessantly because he was from Man Utds rivals. The thought process is simply "How can I make the most hostile, aggressive act to the City players without being caught?"

    Maybe its wishful thinking but I'd expect if someone is found for this that they're a Man Utd supporter and not a stormfront white supremacist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    Of course - a non racially motivated banana toss towards a black player. Imagine that as a defense in court.

    It wouldn't be needed as a defense in court, because you'd be charged on the basis of your behaviour. There's no question that the act was a racist one - all I've pointed out is that it doesn't necessarily follow that the motivation was racist.

    I'm not sure it's possible to distinguish between the two on the facts given, to be honest, but it is a possibility.

    Is everyone who sings sectarian songs at a Rangers match really sectarian? Probably not. People, idiots admittedly, seem to feel that pretty much anything goes on a terrace as long as it lets them get under an opponents skin.

    That said, I'd disagree with the notion that Ireland doesn't have a history of racism. I've generally found Irish people above the age of 40 or so to be some of the most casually racist people I've ever encountered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowlinz View Post
    This country doesn't have a significant history of racism, this occurred in the same stadium Simon Zebo plays. It was in the same sport Clinton Morrison was a very popular figure for many years, that Paul McGrath became a national legend in.
    It does however have a very strong record of soccer fans being retards when it comes to identifying with foreign teams. We all know about the "no to foreign games" type in the celtic jersey and the most recent occurrence was just a few weeks ago in the Euros when Balotelli was booed incessantly because he was from Man Utds rivals. The thought process is simply "How can I make the most hostile, aggressive act to the City players without being caught?"

    Maybe its wishful thinking but I'd expect if someone is found for this that they're a Man Utd supporter and not a stormfront white supremacist.
    It's definitely racist and definitely borne from perceived tribalism, because the two aren't mutually exclusive. These people are the kind of people who, IF they were caught (and they won't), would almost certainly explain it away as "banter" or "just having the craic" or whatever else. IMO it was a tribalistically racist act perpetrated by a moron to "troll" the City players and who more than likely thinks that Rio Ferdinand is a total legend.

    It is so stupid. I would also disagree that this disgraces Limerick in any way. Had this match been played anywhere else the likelihood of a similar event happening is extremely high.
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    I don't think you need to have a swastika tattooed to your head to be a racist. In the act of throwing the banana, whatever you may perceive your views to be, surely you've become a racist?

    In a similar vein, singing the odd song about Norman Tebitts wife at Celtic Park may seen innocuous enough, but you are a sectarian signing it.

    The bigger question for me is can you grade these things. I think the law takes previous behaviour into account, but is it possible to be a casual racist?
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