Whats the scoop with this ? Am I right in how I am reading it?
2,000 jobs, irish subsidiary of an American company,All the electricity to go to the Uk?
What benefits to Ireland bar the 2,000 jobs as electricity is going to UK and money back to the states? I'm guessing the 2000 jobs include construction etc and that these numbers will scale back once farms are operational?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0717/2-0...-business.html
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
from the link
"The project is expected to generate 2,000 full time jobs in the operation, maintenance and servicing of the wind farms."
You're reading it correctly. It would be great if it was an Irish company doing this, of course.Originally Posted by taz
Seems huge if thats the case. I know people involved in the wind farms in West Cork,workforces are tiny in comparison to whats being talked about in the link.
Does anyone know much about this project,based on 2k workforce,it sounds absolutely massive.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Its probably 1,000 turbines across the 40 new wind farms.
well done btw Taz on finding or trying to find the negative in a positive Jobs news story.
Uk hit their target on renewables without upsetting the voters. Handy for them.
I hope this isn't another natural resource giveaway
2000 jobs is great though, and many in rural communities.
Last edited by Huwie; 17th-July-2012 at 11:39.
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Don't know about this project, but an €8 billion investment is obviously massive. The Midlands will be covered in wind turbines.
Nahhh 2000 jobs is great news.Maybe my form is funny today,apologies.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
They're also talking about the "10,000 construction jobs it will create on both sides of the Irish sea". Temporary of course but helpful.
I assume a lot of this will be based on the west coast too as a huge amount of anchors will have to be set off the west coast to prevent us from blowing into the UK! A situation that is favourable to some groups but which many want prevented including the ferries companies and the residents in coastal towns and resorts in Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales.
Last edited by No. 16; 17th-July-2012 at 13:49.
Wind turbines take the energy out of the wind, so if anything, they'll prevent us from blowing to the UK!!
Obvioulsy, it's good new with the jobs, but am I missing someting?
Why would you build wind farms in the flattest, least windy parts of Ireland?The new wind farms are proposed for Co Meath, Westmeath, Kildare, Laois and Offaly.
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Just what the Irish countryside/coast needs ... even more f*cking man-made eyesores.
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I'm always very suspicious of these wind turbine companies. Planning permission for these types of projects are always notoriously hard to get, so claiming an €8 billion investment and 2,000 odd jobs are going to be created will always help. I'm with Taz on this tbh, I doubt 2,000 long term jobs would be created maintaining every wind farm in the country never mind with this project. They seem extremely vague as to whether all those jobs will be in Ireland either...
They are still looking for planning permission so this "PR" stunt is a load of codswallop created to put pressure on politicians and An Bord Plean imho...
Finally, does anyone else not think it would be crazy to put all these ugly windfarms up and all of the energy leave the country.
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Nuh uh. I had a pinwheel in the flower bed and when it got really windy the stick was bending. So if I taped it to a boat for instance - It would help it...emmm. Ok. Nevermind. I still think we should set the anchors just in case. That's gonna be a lot of pinwheels.
SHHHH! Let them build them there! Sing it with me....."Ohhhhklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain....."
There's plenty of reasons. Windy, upland areas tend not to have a strong enough grid to deal with the power being generated from turbines. There's other reasons why it's difficult to build in such areas. Also, wind turbines need good, clean wind (i.e. not turbulent) and this is more likely on flat, open plains. Another reason is probably that Bord na Móna owns a lot of the land in the midlands and they'll happily enter into agreements with the developers, whereas it can be tricky getting agreements laid down in other areas.
It needs them more than another oil crisis anyway that's for sure.
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I wouldn't doubt the number of jobs, but would be good to see where they will be going. I think it would be preferable if it was an Irish company that was proposing this. We've got a damn good renewable resource in the wind. With this project we're effectively giving it to outside investors. Really, Ireland should have its own wind energy industry. The resource is so good here that we should be leading the way, and that includes manufacturing the turbines (for domestic market as well as export) and developing the wind farms ourselves. Instead, we have done very little to nurture and develop the industry so it's outsiders who will benefit for the most part.
Monstrous machinery to transport to locations.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
its not like giving away gas/oil though is it? ok theres not unlimited land to build the things on but the wind wont run out. Maybe money from this can go towards further development to benefit irish grid?
whats our current breakdown of wind generation to the rest here does anyone know?
On the oil/gas point,from what I read this company in charge will be producing the electricity for the Uk market.
All the details are sketchy maybe there is more in it for Ireland along with the jobs.
Last edited by taz; 17th-July-2012 at 14:52.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
another consideration might be that if we do develop more of these for the irish market, and eventually can generate a surplus, there will be a channell ready and waiting to sell the surplus to UK via this company?
Last edited by Hugged Rugger; 17th-July-2012 at 15:10.
But thats just it. Land
There is a load of opposition to windfarms in the UK and they have just been told that there is no turning back on reaching 15% renewables by 2020 (they tried to wriggle out of it a few weeks back). I'd bet there is a hefty fine awaiting the Uk if they dont meet that target. They were also talking to Scandanavian countries if I remember.
Its a great idea, selling energy, but Ireland needs to secure a better cut for itself, while also being competitive. This is the sort of thing the government should be involved/investing in.
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This s madness on a few fronts.
2000 long term jobs not a hope n hell. 10,000 in construction less unlikely, but why announce it in a big bang - well because like spirit of ireland it may help with getting the wheels greased.
The interconnector to the UK is a 500MW connection, which we would expect to see as a source of electricity. I don't see how they can have an agreement signed with UK grid when they don't know what capacity is available on that connection.
The capacity available is going to depend on the relative prices of the Single electricity market in Ireland and the UK market which is a bilateral market. If it is cheaper here then we will be exporting, if its cheaper there we will import.
Though all this will change with the potential merging of the UK, French and Irish markets.
At this stage Ireland is on course to make 40% of its annual electricity requirements from wind in 2020, which will mean at times that 75% of the electricity on the network will be from wind. we will require the interconnector as a source of electricity for this to be possible.
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I hope so.
The axe that cuts the tree can easily forget, but the tree thats been cut will not forget.
The other thing is that the UK market is a billateral market. You don't sign up to provide electricity to the grid, you sign up to generate electricity to a supplier, who will then sell it to homes or businesses.
EDIT: Just to explain, they have a grid connection, which means that they can supply that to the grid, but they still need to have a buyer.
2nd edit: Just saw the two independent sub sea cables bit, thats pretty ambitious.
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Here ya go:-
http://www.eirgrid.com/operations/sy...indgeneration/
in 2010 we passed 15% of our electricity from renewables. 40% target for 2020, im just curious how many windfarms/acres would be required to egnerate 40 - 100% of our needs (leaving aside wave for the moment)
The state is already getting cuts for itself. The largest developers in the country already are state-owned: Bord Gais (was SWS), ESBI and, lately Bord Na Mona.
Element Power in Ireland is managed by Tim Cowhig and other former SWS executives who are serious people and have a good track record in delivering large wind energy projects. I wouldn't think this is a PR exercise.
Ireland has committed to exporting electricity to the UK and this development is consistent with that. What's different about this one is that EP are going to build their own interconnector and sell direct to the National Grid.
A US company establishing in Ireland, creating employment and exporting - what exactly is the problem with that?
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Nothing.
Though given the last 20 year's of being sold pups, nothing wrong with a bit more scrutiny and asking questions.
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