Scotland have just released a 4 year plan which includes a Grand Slam win and finishes with winning the World Cup!!
A far cry from wooden spoon in 6 Nations and failing to get out of their RWC group!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18650528
Scotland have just released a 4 year plan which includes a Grand Slam win and finishes with winning the World Cup!!
A far cry from wooden spoon in 6 Nations and failing to get out of their RWC group!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18650528
Last edited by garryowen2323; 2nd-July-2012 at 08:08.
Delusion even!
Mumha Abu
Has Ireland got a plan?
They have. Want to be in a RWC semi and happy with that. Kind of similar in 6N. No ambitionOriginally Posted by the plastic paddy
Hello friends in Brussels. Baldy here
More delusion??
Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford
Anyone seen our plan? Probably best to close the thread! They have a better record against SH opposition then we do since 2009. Shocking endigment of us when you compare the relative resources.
Connacht Rugby
"Live to win. Born to lose"
Come off it Outlaw. Scotland are a hell of a lot worse than us and you know it. Why do you bother to post this kind of rubbish?
We are, sadly, only slightly ahead of Scotland in my view. Man for man we might appear to have better players but until we develop them into a consistently good team then comparisons with Scotland are fully accurate in my view. It`s fine to have a better team on paper but we have to do it on the pitch and we simply have not done that. Scotland ``a hell of a lot worse than us`` they sadly are not, and thats more of a reflection on our sorry efforts than it is on them. As a matter of fact if we`re not careful Scotland could well become a hell of a lot better than us.
"We've got to be really careful we get our backyard right before we start looking over the fence."
Rob Penney - Rugby coach and Philosopher
At least they are showing ambition and a plan.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
And we have a better record than them against NH opposition....
Classic Lievremont
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18660275
Chris Paterson backs Scottish Rugby's World Cup target
Former Scotland back Chris Paterson believes it is not impossible his country could achieve their target of winning the World Cup in 2015.
That, along with a Six Nations Grand Slam, is the headline target in Scottish Rugby's new four-year strategic plan.
"It's an ambitious target, but I think it's good to set ambitious goals," Paterson told BBC Scotland.
"International rugby is so close, so why wouldn't it be do-able?"
Scotland bounced back from finishing bottom of the Six Nations to emerge from their Australasia tour undefeated.
"We've seen Scotland win three games on tour over the last three weeks and international rugby is so close that could have been zero wins out of three," said Paterson, who retired at the end of this season's Six Nations to join the national coaching structure.
"And, if you turn that on its head, in the Six Nations, Scotland won zero out of five, and certainly the first three could have been wins against England, Wales and France.
"So you could have been going into the last two games against Ireland and Italy looking for two wins for a Grand Slam.
"The margins are so, so fine in international rugby and, if you get the small bits right, there's no reason why you can't be successful."
Scotland have so far failed to achieve the top-eight world ranking target by the end of 2012 contained in the Scottish Rugby's previous strategic plan, written in 2007.
They only moved up from 12th to ninth thanks to their summer wins over Australia, Fiji and Samoa.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
A team must have some form of target, and fairplay to them for setting the bar so high.
I do think the timeframe is a bit aggressive though.
"It is understood he received offers from other clubs to continue playing for another year or two but preferred to finish his career with Munster."
Charlie Mulqueen on Mick O'Driscoll's impending retirement
17/04/2012
Fail to plan, plan to fail. Strauss has a plan clearly communicated to the players and effectively put into action in turn by them. Can the same be said of Kidney? At this point I doubt it.
"They’re the benchmark that everyone else has to raise their game to meet." Alan Quinlan on Leinster
The best comparison is the most recent 6 nations where we both played the same opposition and one another.
Ireland 32 - 14 Scotland
Ireland: P5, W2, D1, L2.
Scotland: P5, W0, D0, L5.
Only slightly ahead my arse.
Yes. Here is is http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Gov...tegic_Plan.pdf
Ends this year so I imagine a new one will be published before 2013?
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
For Scotland in the next 4 years:
Winning the 6 nations = a good goal as its acheivable - i like our pack, and things are starting to come together in the backs (Matt Scott & Tim Visser are two good additions). Nice to get some wins at last on the summer tour, although the itinerary was certainly more favourable than the Irish experience - can't yet see Scotland putting together a performance like the 2nd test in NZ...
Winning a Grand Slam = unlikely - need to be a good team + lucky
Winning the World Cup = ain't going to happen.
Its a Grand plan on paper, but Paper doesnt refuse Ink...our Plan is similiar in that its sh1te...blazers talking through their collective cakeholes. Now if you relabelled that the English Plan or even, stick in my craw as it does, the Welsh Plan (given their coaching ticket and their can do mentality albeit they choked big time against the Wallabies).....Scots are improving and I am delighted.
The targets set in our last 5-year plan (2008):
National Team
• Reach the semi-final of the Rugby World Cup 2011
• Win a 6 Nations Championship
• Win a Triple Crown at least once
• Finish in the top 3 every year in the 6 Nations
• Win at least one of SANZAR / Argentina game during the November Internationals
• Win at least one of SANZAR / Argentina game during the summer tours
• Win all games against tier II countries
That was a tough but achieveable set of targets which the IRFU set for the head coach and players. They would not necessarily be the same as the targets the coach and players set for themselves - I have no doubt they aimed to do better.
Fair enough, i`ll give you that and whats more over the last 10 years we have a far superior head to head record over them. That still does`nt disguise the fact that we`re not very good though and that compared with England, France and Wales we hav`nt achieved much more than them. Gloating about a superior record over Scotland as a matter of fact has a certain sense of clutching at straws to make ourselves feel better. It`s hardly something to be proud off. Then again where our national team is at the moment maybe it is.
We might not be very good lads but by Christ we`re better than Scotland!
At least we have that as consolation after the Hamilton humiliation.
"We've got to be really careful we get our backyard right before we start looking over the fence."
Rob Penney - Rugby coach and Philosopher
You're correct, being better than Scotland is not necessarily something to be proud of. That was not the point of my post.
What I object to is people like Outlaw saying "We're not even better than Scotland! We're terrible! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
It's a hysterical over-reaction to a bad but predictable loss.
We are quite a good team. We're a bit inconsistent and we haven't got a settled style of play but we are still competitive with most teams in the world. That's about the size of it. Not perfect but not awful either.
TBH i think it was more the manner of our loss than the actual loss. It has made alot of people finally sick of the inconsistency and fed up with it all especially after the promise shown the week before. Hence all the people calling for Kidney`s head. Someone said in another thread that we`re not as bad as people say but not as good as some people think we can be which I think is a fair assertion. I think we have the potential to be a good team but just hav`nt delivered on it and watching the likes of Wales who we could match man for man, do alot better than us makes it all the more frustrating.
"We've got to be really careful we get our backyard right before we start looking over the fence."
Rob Penney - Rugby coach and Philosopher
Scotland's only chance of winning the World Cup would be if they decide to raffle it.
well looka
Similar to our chances really.
Connacht Rugby
"Live to win. Born to lose"
Jesus, you are a painful human.
I started writing this when i was still in my teens it was meant to be a love song from a spoiled misunderstood boy to a special girl with a big chest and blue eyes
remarkably pain- free. For everyone else there is Nurofen
Connacht Rugby
"Live to win. Born to lose"
Shots of buckfast for everyone this morning with their porridge and just relax
Always
do they not have a better record than us (v sh teams)?
Scotland are a limited team, but we will be pretty much at
sea also when ireland's sexiest man eventually gets binned.
Records shmekords.
Anyway, hopefully it will be many years before I get sin binned.
well looka
Our records against SH teams are pretty irrelevant imo. We've played different teams at different times in different circumstances. That does not make for a good comparison.
It makes more sense to me to judge the two teams on their performances in the 6Ns where they played each other and the same opposition in the same time frame. On that basis, Ireland are quite a bit better.
The world rankings, which are not perfect but a lot better than the very simplistic SH comparison, also suggest we are quite a bit better.
However, if you prefer to be miserable about the state of Irish rugby, don't let me stop you!
The manner of the defeat was bad but people need to get a bit of perspective. It was the third test against a fired up AB side in NZ at the end of a 50 week season and we were missing 6(!) Lions, two of whom were instrumental in our very good performance the week before. We were always going to struggle a bit.
As it turned out, we struggled a lot. It was partly due to DK's selection of Paddy Wallace and partly due to a few lads - BOD in particular - underperforming.
All of that doesn't make us as bad as Scotland at the moment. It just means we haven't the squad depth or the quality of coaching to cope against NZ in such difficult circumstances. That said, I don't think many teams in the world do.
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