Leinster 2012/2013

[Thomond78]

Weren't we told Toner wasn't kept out of the side by Thorn because he is a LH lock and the Nzer is a TH lock? (Pleased with my abbreviation for new Zealander, the Nzers really are the master race!?!)

Ah, now, really, there's no call to be pointing out the yawning gaps in the logic at all, at all...

[Thomond78]

You would imagine they knew in advance when they were to join up? Or were they expecting some sort of dispensation once they had qualified for the two finals?I dunno.
You would feel sorry for all players , with the length of the season just gone.

God forbid that they actually be required to turn up. Given that they were given the time off from playing when there was a game on the Tuesday, I fail to see what they have to get snippy about.

[brightspark]

What were they tired from. It's not like they used up much energy in losing like that to the o's.

[The Outlaw]

Last I heard was January. Very sad if true. Fell sorry for the lad. Tried too hard to play himself back into form and has been ruined with injuries.

Thats rubbish. He was at the peak of his powers against Cardiff this year he was just damned unlucky. He only signed a one year deal because he also wants to see whether Kidney will continue as Irish manager after the 6 Nations. He knows as long as Kidney is there he wont be picked. I'd say a lot of other players will decide contract wise what they are doing based on whether there is a new Irish coach or not.

[Cowboy]

Thats rubbish. He was at the peak of his powers against Cardiff this year he was just damned unlucky. He only signed a one year deal because he also wants to see whether Kidney will continue as Irish manager after the 6 Nations. He knows as long as Kidney is there he wont be picked. I'd say a lot of other players will decide contract wise what they are doing based on whether there is a new Irish coach or not.

Massive stretch to make such a statement to be fair. No proof whatsoever.

[masterchief]

Thats rubbish. He was at the peak of his powers against Cardiff this year he was just damned unlucky. He only signed a one year deal because he also wants to see whether Kidney will continue as Irish manager after the 6 Nations. He knows as long as Kidney is there he wont be picked. I'd say a lot of other players will decide contract wise what they are doing based on whether there is a new Irish coach or not.

He hasn't been picked up to now because he's either been injured or other players have been playing better.

Anything else is just unsubstantiated speculation on your part.

In fairness you have form when it comes to unsubstantiated speculation....

[Thomond78]

Massive stretch to make such a statement to be fair. No proof whatsoever.

Considering he was offered a central contract when injured, just on less money, it's plain daft.

The simple truth is he's been injured or off-form for much of the last three years, and that's that.

[garryowen2323]

Thats rubbish. He was at the peak of his powers against Cardiff this year he was just damned unlucky. He only signed a one year deal because he also wants to see whether Kidney will continue as Irish manager after the 6 Nations. He knows as long as Kidney is there he wont be picked. I'd say a lot of other players will decide contract wise what they are doing based on whether there is a new Irish coach or not.

Maybe he should go back to playing scrum half like Madigan used to :P

[Cowboy]

Maybe he should go back to playing scrum half like Madigan used to :P

Cillit BANG.......and the dirt is gone

[the plastic paddy]

Considering he was offered a central contract when injured, just on less money, it's plain daft.

The simple truth is he's been injured or off-form for much of the last three years, and that's that.

Who was he playing for when his injury problems started? Is it possible that Luke Fitz said I only want a year because I want to prove to you I am worth the central contract? I think the fella tries his heart out and I hope he gets back to his GS form which will see him back in the Ireland squad.

[garryowen2323]

Who was he playing for when his injury problems started? Is it possible that Luke Fitz said I only want a year because I want to prove to you I am worth the central contract? I think the fella tries his heart out and I hope he gets back to his GS form which will see him back in the Ireland squad.

He's still only 24. Hard to believe. Plenty of time left for him

[Thomond78]

Who was he playing for when his injury problems started? Is it possible that Luke Fitz said I only want a year because I want to prove to you I am worth the central contract? I think the fella tries his heart out and I hope he gets back to his GS form which will see him back in the Ireland squad.

Everyone does. We're just pointing out the conspiracy theories don't match the facts of the rather horrible three years he's had.

[Munsterboy]

I was under the impression that they considered Toner a "loose head lock" i.e. a replacement for Cullen. That was always the reason given for selecting Thorn instead of giving him a chance in the HEC.

Are we now to understand that he is a "tight head lock" after all? Be good if he was cos it would put him in the frame to partner Ryan for Ireland.

Weren't we told Toner wasn't kept out of the side by Thorn because he is a LH lock and the Nzer is a TH lock? (Pleased with my abbreviation for new Zealander, the Nzers really are the master race!?!)

Oi PP! Get out of that!

[The Outlaw]

Maybe he should go back to playing scrum half like Madigan used to :P

Maybe Kidney should go back to coaching Dolphin and PBC and give the Irish gig to someone who can get the job done.

[the plastic paddy]

Maybe Kidney should go back to coaching Dolphin and PBC and give the Irish gig to someone who can get the job done.

But surely you are always telling us the players aren't good enough so a new coach will make feck all difference.

[Thomond78]

But surely you are always telling us the players aren't good enough so a new coach will make feck all difference.

Checkmate, I think.

[The Outlaw]

But surely you are always telling us the players aren't good enough so a new coach will make feck all difference.

I think he'll manage to get within 60 points.

[thepunter]

Van Der Flier is a great name!!

Sot of like 'She's the fastest'.

If he makes it to a full professional, I'll be starting a website msolely based on the amount of stupid long-drawn-out-pron-unciayyy- ted stupid similes, metaphors that fool comentator Robbo on sky sports comes out with.

[jeepers]

Thats rubbish. He was at the peak of his powers against Cardiff this year he was just damned unlucky. He only signed a one year deal because he also wants to see whether Kidney will continue as Irish manager after the 6 Nations. He knows as long as Kidney is there he wont be picked. I'd say a lot of other players will decide contract wise what they are doing based on whether there is a new Irish coach or not.

As a matter of interest, back in the day, was Kidney the Munster coach when Luke was waving around the offer of a Munster contract to get a contract from Leinster?

[The Outlaw]

As a matter of interest, back in the day, was Kidney the Munster coach when Luke was waving around the offer of a Munster contract to get a contract from Leinster?

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Times change Declan isnt at his 2009 pitch anymore and no matter what way anyone wants to dress up there is a serious problem in the Irish Camp at present. The dogs on the street know it.

Either the bridges are mended or we'll have a new coach next Summer.

[jeepers]

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Times change Declan isnt at his 2009 pitch anymore and no matter what way anyone wants to dress up there is a serious problem in the Irish Camp at present. The dogs on the street know it.

Either the bridges are mended or we'll have a new coach next Summer.

Since you seem to know an awful lot about Luke, was Kidney the Munster coach who offered Luke a contract?

You don't believe in sitting on the fence do you? (either bridges will be mended or we'll have a new coach ).

[Thomond78]

Outlaw, at the rate you're digging down, you're about to stick the point of the shovel up Skippy the Bush Kangaroo's jacksie...

[blackwarrior]

He was at the peak of his powers against Cardiff this year he was just damned unlucky.

"peak of his powers against Cardiff" .... what's that supposed to mean? Fitzgerald has had a dreadful time with injuries for 3 years. He has not returned to his peak, which was Grand Slam winning and Lions Test level.

You need to separate Luke's battle with form and injuries from your battle with Kidney. They're separate for most of the rest of us.

[garryowen2323]

I think he'll manage to get within 60 points.

Yeah we should appoint a coach who could get us withing 3 points....................oh wait..........!

[taz]

The dogs on the street know it.

Always wondered where the info was coming from.

[Thomond78]

Always wondered where the info was coming from.

It'd also explain why half the stuff on the subject is barking.

[The Outlaw]

"peak of his powers against Cardiff" .... what's that supposed to mean? Fitzgerald has had a dreadful time with injuries for 3 years. He has not returned to his peak, which was Grand Slam winning and Lions Test level.

You need to separate Luke's battle with form and injuries from your battle with Kidney. They're separate for most of the rest of us.

Well he's a better international player then Mc Fadden and Zebo in my view. And on the former I'd say most Leinster fans would agree. When one of the Leinster posters contradicts my views on the state of the Irsh Camp I'll take it back. My bet is they won't.

[the plastic paddy]

Well he's a better international player then Mc Fadden and Zebo in my view. And on the former I'd say most Leinster fans would agree. When one of the Leinster posters contradicts my views on the state of the Irsh Camp I'll take it back. My bet is they won't.

Most people would agree that he is a better player than Mcfadden and Zebo (at the moment) but Luke Fitz was, basically, not fit last season and indeed has only been halfway fit for a cumulative half year of the last three since his knee ligament injury, picked up, p*ssing about with Murdoch's pier end side show.

[Mcork]

If the guy manages to get fit and find form again, he should be put in at 12 for Leinster with a view to making him an option there for the INTL side. We have a serious midfield crisis currently .He was an alright leftwinger but has a very average strikerate compared to the likes of Bowe &Earls. Even Zebo has a much better strikerate at club level. Fitz in 2009 had great defence and soft hands is strong in contact but lacks the pace of an out and out INTL winger. Seemed like recent fullback experiment failed (pity and somwhat surprising- perhaps just corresponded with a period of wretched form and low confidence) but thinking back, his brief period at 12 seems quite sucessfull when you see what has followed recently. Needs of INTL team must be a priority. Try and turn him into a decent 2nd 5/8. The raw material is there although he is lacking experience in that position so there would be some short term pain no doubt. IRL have absolutely no choice. We can't rely on D'arcy. He's far too flakey as he shown countless times. The Irish teams needs must be put first.

[brightspark]

Fitzgerald is a class player low on form. We have an abundance of talent in irl back 3. Fair dues to Leinster for sticking by him.

I'm sure he'll bounce back. Amazing thing is he's only 24.