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23-man squads ftw!
Be interesting to see how the new scrum "crouch-touch-set" works out. Can't help but be an improvement on the current mess.
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Delighted the move it or lose it 5 second rule has been brought in at ruck time. Saracens were beginign to take the mickey on that rule.
Although we were plenty guilty of that in 2008 in Cardiff.
"It is understood he received offers from other clubs to continue playing for another year or two but preferred to finish his career with Munster."
Charlie Mulqueen on Mick O'Driscoll's impending retirement
17/04/2012
"1. Extending the TMO jurisdiction to incidents in the field of play which led to the scoring of a try and foul play in the field of play"
Interesting and welcome - but with the potential for much controversy - if a try is scored after (say) over twenty phases of possession, how far back can the TMO go?
It would be very useful when the TJ sees something but can't give the ref a number.Originally Posted by Old Dog
On different but related topic, On ESPN last Saturday at Whelford Rd., Austin Healy was doing some analysis and he was able to draw the "gain line" across the field. It would be interesting if the "Offside Line" were to be drawn to show how many of the defence are ahead of it. The TMO could then give this info to the ref.
EDIT but this would probably not be implemented seeing as the TJs never tell the ref when someone id Offside.
“We’re in this mess, not because Fianna Fail policies have failed, but because they have succeeded.” They haven't gone away, you know"
He will have a big loud amplified game show buzzer and will stop play before it gets to that stage. AAAARRRGGGGNNNNTTT!
ref whistles. Yes tmo?
Tmo: Eh we've some off the ball boxing behind you're back there. I'll put it up on the big screen here...
But seriously. Good question...could be a good thing
I'd say it needs some definition about how far back before a try can be analysed. Like a forward pass 4 passes ago?
Last edited by No. 16; 16th-May-2012 at 08:39.
1. Law 16.7 (Ruck): The ball has to be used within five seconds of it being made available at the back of a ruck with a warning from the referee to “use it”. Sanction – Scrum.
Scrum to who? Bit harsh for the team in possession to lose it
1. Law 16.7 (Ruck): The ball has to be used within five seconds of it being made available at the back of a ruck with a warning from the referee to “use it”. Sanction – Scrum.#
Great rule - might force Murray to sort out the most frustrating part of his game.
Very welcome set of rule changes, the 2 props for international level is a major bonus for Ireland.
Can someone explain to me what the difference is between be "set" and "engage" because i don't see it??
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The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves
Shorter word with only 1 syllable so removes problems with length of time to say the word.....
First thing I thought when I saw this rule was that Murray could be in trouble. The guy will just have to get his mind working quicker.
Looks like this could be the end of Tom Court as Ireland's perennial no. 17 as the fact that he can play both sides of the scrum (stop laughing) won't really matter anymore.
I would assume it would be the last play directly leading up to the score.
"It is understood he received offers from other clubs to continue playing for another year or two but preferred to finish his career with Munster."
Charlie Mulqueen on Mick O'Driscoll's impending retirement
17/04/2012
The ref will still have to presumably ask "is there any reason why I cannot award a try?" or in the future "could you review the last ruck there as there were a number of punches thrown but we didn't get any numbers?" or does the TMO have a mandate to contact the ref in the first instance?
The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves
But they do in the APL. One of the good things about the ESPN rugby coverage is that they often transmit the feed between the ref and his two assistants - and you can hear them saying things like "black 13 offisde" "white 7 not retreating" or ""red loosehead is hinging again".
Apparently at the initial trials, there was also a trial of the scrum half not being able to come beyond the mid point of the scrum, similar to the U-19 laws. Not sure if its going to be continued though
My first thoughts were that these laws will force Munster once again to drastically change the way they play. We failed to adapt to the ELV's and the subsequent changes to the laws. As is evident in our trophy cabinet due to being whistled of the park for the past 4 years. This leads me to believe that we will continue to struggle, Penney now has the added headache of dealing with a squad in transition , who have a proven track record of being a bit slow to evolve.
My hope is that these new laws will allow him to implement the changes that are needed without any opposition for the old guard.
They wanted a short word for the engage. I dont see the problem all teams try to pre-empt the hit anyway or they go on the e of engage.
My hair is more important than timekeeping!
The 23 man bench is interesting. On the face of it it is good for Ireland as we can have a proper tighthead on the bench and avoid the kind of pasting we got in Twickenham. The 23 man benches in non international rugby has meant that there are fewer players who can play off both sides worldwide anyway. I think that it will give further advantages to good scrummaging sides as they will bring on an entire new bench on 60 mins. We of course will expect Ross to carry on for 80. Could leave us in a bit of bother.
My hair is more important than timekeeping!
Big thing from an Irish point of view is allowing choice of lineout for free kicks at lineouts and when knock-ons go into touch....
They are trying to reduce the amount of scrums which is a good thing for us really.
My hair is more important than timekeeping!
Are there many cases of knock ons that then go out of bounds? Would there even average one a game? Seems an odd one to fiddle with.
If they go back and watch the build up to a try then there wont be any. If you pull the game apart that much then it wont be a game of rugby. The lines men should be made as culpable as the referee. i.e 3 referees except one runs on the pitch.
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The main focus of the change would be for ball not straight.
I think there's probably a few knock ins that would be effected though. Most passes that go in front of wingers will see them flapping at it as it goes into touch.
The question for me would be whether it needs to touch the ground in field in order for the law to apply.
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What I'm reading here about the proposed rule changes all sounds very sensible and apt in fairness again to the IRB.
After RWC'07 in France, all the defensive, punting, press defence, 1 dimensional teams prospered (e.g. SA, Eng, Arg, etc) & the running teams under performed (e.g. ABs, Wales, Ire, Aus, etc), so the IRB addressed the laws to promote retaining possession and to favour the attacking sides and to get rid of the aimless games of aerial ping pong that had hijacked the game. It worked and by & large the game is a much better spectacle & running & handling game since.
Now with these new proposed law changes they look like they're trying to address a few secondary &/or subsequent issues such as, scrum engaging (sorry setting), scrum penalties & the awful 'scrum clock', boring clock run down play at the base of rucks by shalves, and the role of the TMO. All these would be good developments and could lead to more improvements in the finished product IMHO. Well done IRB.
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I see what you did there,,,, nice way to sneak in that cloaked reference...
His forwards will have to start doing their job and give him the shagging thing faster, he wont have time to go burrowing for it.
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Good for Ireland? We have a working pool of 3 international grade props. We have one proven Irish tighthead at the moment and that's generally been the case for over 10 years.
Our next move in terms of developing a tighthead will involve one (or more of) Hagan, Loughney, Archer, Fitzpatrick, Macklin. None of whom are capped. This move is trouble for us, but it's probably the right move overall.
I think more than anything it now means that these guys will get a bit of game time. With 22 men there was never going to be a TH named on the bench but now they will at least get some exposure
It was tried in the early 90's. It was a disaster. Think about it; with no rucking now and weak refs, do you think any ball will ever come back?
What you do is, slow it, then wait until the ref says, "use it", then throw the pocket man over the top to slow it again and get the turnover.
Last edited by Thomond78; 18th-May-2012 at 07:10.
Vorsprung durch Pfennig.
I am advised that it is indeed got to do with teams trying to pre-empt the "EN" in engage- which is why there are so many early engagements apparently.. So the word SET being a much shorter and monosyllabic word- the hope is that it will prevent this..
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