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    Who's untalented??
    Former World Junior Player of the Year, test Lion and double Grand Slam winner Gavin Henson, apparently...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomond78 View Post
    Former World Junior Player of the Year, test Lion and double Grand Slam winner Gavin Henson, apparently...
    Oooh, snap!
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    Gavin Henson - I look at this guy and I think what a player he could have been with the right psychologist. He had ALL the physical skills. He blew a career that could have been something special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeriddick View Post
    Gavin Henson - I look at this guy and I think what a player he could have been with the right psychologist. He had ALL the physical skills. He blew a career that could have been something special.
    Bango. His biggest weakness is his own brain. Appetite for self destruction. In an era when hard hitting physical 12's are in huge demand he coulda made a small fortune, quagmire Roberts outstripped him. It's gotta click at some stage though, if he gets his head in order he'll be a gigantic weapon for LW.
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    Bango. His biggest weakness is his own brain. Appetite for self destruction. In an era when hard hitting physical 12's are in huge demand he coulda made a small fortune, quagmire Roberts outstripped him. It's gotta click at some stage though, if he gets his head in order he'll be a gigantic weapon for LW.
    Can't see that happening tbh.

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    It's not just physicality. His passing and decision making is such he can open defences like someone shucking an oyster: a twist, a turn, and there you are, wide open and wincing. If someone gets his head right - and Lyn Jones has form on this - then he can be truly lethal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    Can't see that happening tbh.
    The odds ain't in his favour that's for sure. Tis a sad state of affairs all told
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomond78 View Post
    It's not just physicality. His passing and decision making is such he can open defences like someone shucking an oyster: a twist, a turn, and there you are, wide open and wincing. If someone gets his head right - and Lyn Jones has form on this - then he can be truly lethal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy View Post
    Clearing boot as long as anyone playing at the minute.
    Yup. He has been unlucky with injury, but even at Cardiff, he looked the pick of their backs. If anyone can get his head right, it's Lyn Jones, and if he does, he could be off to Australia next summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomond78 View Post
    It's not just physicality. His passing and decision making is such he can open defences like someone shucking an oyster: a twist, a turn, and there you are, wide open and wincing. If someone gets his head right - and Lyn Jones has form on this - then he can be truly lethal.
    He had ever physical and game changing gift to be an all time great. I remember one of his first games against England in the Millenium where he booted a penalty from miles out and thinking to myself that this guy would be up there with the Carter's and the McCaw level at this stage of his career. Without knowing anything about the intricacies of his internal workings, I think his biggest problem was low goals and high self esteem.

    The best players re-calibrate their goals every year and believe it. BOD will think to himself, "I was fantastic last year but this year I'm back at square one - I have to prove myself again to prove that I'm still the best." I think Henson was happy to at one point, however briefly, to have been the best. He's been rewarding himself with all the bullsh*t part of the game since.

    Until he gets it into his head that he's now a failure as a top level player, until he realizes that right now he's an embarrassment with a nothing career and a rep built on bullsh*t and hype he's going to go down as one of the biggest wastes of talent the professional game has ever seen. If he realizes (and believes) that every game, every pass, every boot of the ball between now and the end of his career is an opportunity to restore his reputation and be a great, he can be an absolutely devastating player at the very top level.*

    *This is what his SP should be hammering into him on a daily basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeriddick View Post
    He had ever physical and game changing gift to be an all time great. I remember one of his first games against England in the Millenium where he booted a penalty from miles out and thinking to myself that this guy would be up there with the Carter's and the McCaw level at this stage of his career. Without knowing anything about the intricacies of his internal workings, I think his biggest problem was low goals and high self esteem.

    The best players re-calibrate their goals every year and believe it. BOD will think to himself, "I was fantastic last year but this year I'm back at square one - I have to prove myself again to prove that I'm still the best." I think Henson was happy to at one point, however briefly, to have been the best. He's been rewarding himself with all the bullsh*t part of the game since.

    Until he gets it into his head that he's now a failure as a top level player, until he realizes that right now he's an embarrassment with a nothing career and a rep built on bullsh*t and hype he's going to go down as one of the biggest wastes of talent the professional game has ever seen. If he realizes (and believes) that every game, every pass, every boot of the ball between now and the end of his career is an opportunity to restore his reputation and be a great, he can be an absolutely devastating player at the very top level.*

    *This is what his SP should be hammering into him on a daily basis.
    Contrary to the high self esteem thing, I would say it was more massive personal insecurities that shot him down!! He needed to be loved, to be told he was the best and all that goes with it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lactose intolerant View Post
    Contrary to the high self esteem thing, I would say it was more massive personal insecurities that shot him down!! He needed to be loved, to be told he was the best and all that goes with it!!
    I have a feeling that he probably had more than enough people in his life telling him how great he was. At this stage in his career he needs negative motivation, I would think, to achieve what he needs to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeriddick View Post
    I have a feeling that he probably had more than enough people in his life telling him how great he was. At this stage in his career he needs negative motivation, I would think, to achieve what he needs to.
    Possibly so at this stage, all the hallmarks of the classic narcissist with destructive insecurities though
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    Any chance he could wind up playing 10 for LW? Know he has played a fair bit at OH and wonder whether that could be the thing he needs to make him feel wanted etc. Also I think LW have a rake of monstrous islanders across their backline and Chavin could be the man for 10. That all depends on his morale not having been irreparably undermined by the Outlaw calling him 'untalented'!?!

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    Has he been very psychical in the last 5 years or so?
    Any game ive seen him in since about 2007 he rarely goes into contact and seems to prefer to give a hospital pass to avoid getting tackled himself.

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    Yeah, he ducked out all the way through the 2008 GS under those noted softies, Gatland and Edwards...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomond78 View Post
    It's not just physicality. His passing and decision making is such he can open defences like someone shucking an oyster: a twist, a turn, and there you are, wide open and wincing. If someone gets his head right - and Lyn Jones has form on this - then he can be truly lethal.
    Not sure I'd go that far. The reason he failed to cut it at 10 was he ate so much space and time from those outside him before he made his decision. On his better days, or the opposition's worse ones, he could cut that out but for me he never consistently showed he could do that. I'm also not convinced Roberts wouldn't have overtaken him anyway.
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    [QUOTE=Evil Omer;1091526]Not sure I'd go that far. The reason he failed to cut it at 10 was he ate so much space and time from those outside him before he made his decision. On his better days, or the opposition's worse ones, he could cut that out but for me he never consistently showed he could do that. I'm also not convinced Roberts wouldn't have overtaken him anyway.[/QUOTE

    He's not a 10, no more that Hook is (albeit I'd nearly prefer the Witch at 10). But he's every bit as good as that as a 12. On form, he's better than the good Dr. Jaw, IMO, as he's got a wider range of skills and options than the good Doc's ability to run through most walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomond78 View Post
    He's not a 10, no more that Hook is (albeit I'd nearly prefer the Witch at 10). But he's every bit as good as that as a 12. On form, he's better than the good Dr. Jaw, IMO, as he's got a wider range of skills and options than the good Doc's ability to run through most walls.
    He had a very unique way of carrying the ball up to the line with his arms almost stretched out behind him and hitting the line practically side on....he was exceptional at freeing the ball for an offload back in the day because of this!! he is/was a 12, nit a 10 and certainly not a 15
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    Does Chavin think he is a 10 though?

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    He probably thinks he's a chicken, or possibly a newt.

    He's a weak willed halfwit frankly. He was never that good, and his best days are behind him I'd suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    He probably thinks he's a chicken, or possibly a newt.

    He's a weak willed halfwit frankly. He was never that good, and his best days are behind him I'd suggest.

    Hes gonna be a huge fish in a tiny pool now, few will give LW a chance in that league (and its still a shyte league in my books) in all honesty so whatever he does for them, they'll love him like a demi-god. He's gonna be a centre for one of the minnows of the Eng Prem, not much more (I dont think)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy View Post
    Hes gonna be a huge fish in a tiny pool now, few will give LW a chance in that league (and its still a shyte league in my books) in all honesty so whatever he does for them, they'll love him like a demi-god. He's gonna be a centre for one of the minnows of the Eng Prem, not much more (I dont think)
    Being a minor deity is part of the issue I reckon.

    He hasn't the smarts to ignore the hype, and it ends all up curtailing his on pitch efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cooper Clarke View Post
    Being a minor deity is part of the issue I reckon.

    He hasn't the smarts to ignore the hype, and it ends all up curtailing his on pitch efforts.
    but how big will the hype actually be at a tiny tiny club? I think this will make or completely break him, there'll be headlines no matter what happens though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy View Post
    but how big will the hype actually be at a tiny tiny club? I think this will make or completely break him, there'll be headlines no matter what happens though.
    Depends on how big the empty space in his skull is I guess. Past experience suggests it's somewhere between a chasm and a rift in size.

    No doubt he'll do ok at L.W. but watch out for the "Henson awaits International recall" headlines.

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    Depends on how big the empty space in his skull is I guess. Past experience suggests it's somewhere between a chasm and a rift in size.

    No doubt he'll do ok at L.W. but watch out for the "Henson awaits International recall" headlines.
    Which will no doubt come from an interview where he gets asked if he'd like to one day play for Wales again, and he simply says that he would!!
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    And we're off before the season starts ,6 weeks out due to injury....

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    London Welsh are furious about this, it seems. It appears, from the reports, to have been a late shoulder to the face in the early minutes from Manu. They are, apparently, looking to see if they can cite.
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    Gavin Henson signs for Bath as utility back


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    Bath have signed Wales international Gavin Henson after lengthy talks.
    The club say the former Ospreys, Cardiff Blues and London Welsh playmaker has been signed to cover fly-half, centre and full-back.
    Confirmation of the 31-year-old's move to The Rec follows long-running talks between the club and the Welshman.
    Bath head coach Gary Gold said: "Gavin is still a very ambitious man and the prospect of him playing at The Rec is an exciting one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22895240

    Gavin Henson signs for Bath as utility back


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    Bath have signed Wales international Gavin Henson after lengthy talks.
    The club say the former Ospreys, Cardiff Blues and London Welsh playmaker has been signed to cover fly-half, centre and full-back.
    Confirmation of the 31-year-old's move to The Rec follows long-running talks between the club and the Welshman.
    Bath head coach Gary Gold said: "Gavin is still a very ambitious man and the prospect of him playing at The Rec is an exciting one."
    Well, well, well, who'd a' thunk it - Stringer and Henson potential half back pairing!!
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