With the deadline for registering fast approaching, was wondering how posters here felt about the household chargeHave you already paid, holding off, not paying?
Have Already paid
Will pay before the deadline
Holding off until after, to see what happens
No way Jose, not paying
Matt Williams
With the deadline for registering fast approaching, was wondering how posters here felt about the household chargeHave you already paid, holding off, not paying?
Con Artist
I'm gonna hold off for as long as I can.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards - checkmate!" Zapp Brannigan
Same as in other thread ,holding out,if people don't pay I don't think it can be policed . Their only hope is people cave under scaremongering,I'm not and if I do get a fine,I'll relook at it.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Voted Matt. Sorry..."Waiting until the last minute before doing anything and that includes deciding whether or not I will pay on time" is my prefered Other response.
"Minister for the Environment Phil Hogan plans to use the information on ESB bills to catch households who refuse to pay the charge."
What if you Don't have "ESB" bills ;-)
AFAIK - the "fine" is 10% for 1st 6 mos. unpaid (10 bucks) plus 1% interest per month.Originally Posted by taz
I'll take my chances so with the 85% majority.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
If 15% pay it's an embarrassing dead duck.
There WILL be a big increase in that over the next few weeks,people will be scaremongered into it.
But I am impressed that it only stands at 15% paid at present. People have hit breaking point and its about time for the country.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
It will go up but not sure about big increase. A quick vox pop at work almost all are holding tough (that's allowing for prob 20% who are lying) So even if they get it to 20 or 25% it's still a good result for us great unwashed
Con Artist
I reckon it will finish at about 30% of households.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Would be interesting to know of those that have already registered how many may be excempt from the charge. Think they will be lucky if they get 25% to sign up. Power to the people.
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
I went with the Matt Williams option.
We're renting so not our problemo.
Now if I was a home owner I like to think I would have held off paying so far.
I'll Flake Ya!
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"Be moderate in everything, including moderation." - Horace Porter
Do you think the the owner will ask you to pay it or are they going to cover the cost?
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
RTE will be drafted in anydaynow and Joe Duffy with tell the Breda and Maureens of Ireland that the sky will fall in lest they pay their household charge. Cue massive uptake of payment.
I am the million man.
Have already paid. Am a terrible conformist when it comes to this sort of thing...
Think it'll be over 50% by month end.
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
He hasn't done so far and i have no intention of mentioning it to him either.
I'll Flake Ya!
http://dontbuythesun.co.uk/1.png
"Be moderate in everything, including moderation." - Horace Porter
anyone know the site when you sign up and pay a fiver. they are taking the government to court and representng all those who aren't paying ?
Google "can't pay, won't pay"
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
It's gas that this is the issue people have chosen to take a stand on....laughable...
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
It's actually pretty effective John123. You don't even have to get people out onto the streets to make the point. All you have to do is ask people to do nothing makes it a very straight forward protest.
It's about sending a message to government and further a field that people (the majority, hopefully given the low take up) have had enough of the relentless austerity drive.
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
I can see your point McC but for me I wouldn't see it that way.
I would think a "No" vote in the referendum would be far more poignant and beneficial for all...
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
It's absolutely inevitable that it will be shifted, a la Greece, to another bill - probably the Lecky bill. So might as well pay it. All that will happen is that the charge and penalties will be added on to your lecky bill!
Edit
Info on Greece here
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...310626366.html
Last edited by cilldioma; 15th-March-2012 at 16:31.
Is it €160 million that it plans to raise to replace the €160 million that used go to local councils?
I am somewhat concerned for the local council's budgets and how their work impacts us on a daily basis.
I voted for the wait and see option even though I agree with the tax, and think it should be higher, but when it is being used as an alternative source of income for the state, to replace the income they are shipping over to Germany to bail them out from their poor investment in Irish banks that I disagree with.
No date for the referendum yet I'm sure when one is announced people on both sides of the debate will be out shouting from the roof tops.
4 Feb 2011 - Gilmore on the General Election
"Frankfurts way or Labours way."
28 Feb 2012 - Gilmore on a yes vote for the fiscal treaty
"A vote for economic stability and a vote for economic recovery."
Disagree, because that message is Compliant no matter what. A low uptake will be embarrasing for the Govt, so what if they have to invent another way to screw it out of us. Like Piggybui I don't have a big problem with the notion of property tax, what I do have is a serious difficulty with the notion of paying promissary notes to the Anglo Gamblers.
I bought a house in Kerry before the boom (yes, no one made me) I couldn't give it away now. The Govt imposed the NPPR I was compliant, they doubled the NPPR, again I was compliant, now they want me to pay another 100 quid on top of the 200 NPPR, a household charge! There is no household there, it's empty, we're here in Cork. So they can take a running jump
Con Artist
Might there be a septic tank charge for the Kerry property also? That is a tax I cannot understand even though it won't impact me. Anyway, it looks like those of us who can't speak English might be unable to pay as we can't read the legislation.
Kerry house is on mains, but yes, there will be water charges.
Con Artist
I do.
We've paid for our houses out of after tax income, & paid stamp duty and VAT on it's purchase.
Having paid plenty of it myself I hear you, but we're hardly going to be able to get away without one considering the **** creek the country is in thanks to Gombeens such as Brian Clown etc
Con Artist
No one in Greece paid the initial property tax.
Hence, on the advice of our "partners" in Germany and France, it was shifted to the lecky bill.
The property tax is part of what the country signed up to with the troika bailout. So, however it's done, it will be implemented.
We can squeal, grumble, strike or shout from the rooftops - it doesnt matter. The moment we try to play any card, our "partners" simply tell us the next installment of of the bailout won't be available. Cue no nurses, no guards, no firemen being paid - no civil / public sector being paid would bring an immediate downfalls of the govt. A puppet govt, a la Greece and Italy, would be installed shortly afterwards. Peter Sutherland for Taoiseach anyone?
I'm on the phone, so can't link properly, but google "EU IMF programme" for an idea of our commitments over the next few years.
Last edited by cilldioma; 15th-March-2012 at 18:24.
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