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    Francis on a Sunday

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    Neil Francis: What this team lacks most are the sinews of its captain's will

    Well, the FUBAR, SNAFU and GUBU weekend has passed and at this stage it is done to death. The bottom line though is that putting your faith in the hands of the blazers is like sending your dog for a holiday to the taxidermist -- you know what is going to happen sooner or later.

    Imagine if the same bunch of idiots were charged with flying the team home -- another clusterf***, God forbid, of Munich air disaster proportions, although at least Matt Busby had some extravagantly talented teenagers hanging around when half his team were tragically killed. Declan Kidney hasn't got that luxury.

    There is a great line in the song Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell and laterly covered by the Counting Crows, 'Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone. They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.' A good coach needs a patient wife, a loyal dog, an understanding public and a great captain, but not necessarily in that order.

    Kidney's great captain is gone. We miss so many things that are conspicuous by his absence: everything from his game management to his very presence. People questioned his offensive input stating that mostly it was his defensive qualities which we still found remarkable.

    While Wales were patiently making their way unhindered up the field in the Aviva everyone else was waiting for someone to put in one, just one, devastating hit to stop the Welsh advance cold. It never happened. O'Driscoll's team-mates are spokes in a wheel, O'Driscoll was the hub; take away the hub and you have a rim with loosened spokes. What this team lacks most are the sinews of O'Driscoll's will.

    Paul O'Connell has come in and manfully tried to put his mark on the badge. I stand to be corrected but I don't think O'Connell has won a meaningful game for Ireland as captain. He has done the job for Munster as captain but not Ireland. Ireland was the inferior team in the Aviva, yet it was a match that they should have won. The buck stops with the leader on the field when the game goes down to the wire. A coach can influence a game from 20, 30, 40 minutes out, but at the death it is the on-field leader who takes responsibility if the deal is not closed.

    So, different captain, different dynamic. The team is about to go through a fallow period. I chose my words advisedly in the sense that if you thought the term transitional period was more appropriate you would have to have the personnel to go through the transition. I have a sneaking admiration for business managers who use the rule of ten in their sales force. One guy I know used to cut the bottom 10 per cent of his sales force every six months, even if they had been profitable and covered their costs. It was the effect it had on his top earners -- complacency and long lunches were kept to a minimum.

    The Roman legions, even after a successful campaign, were decimated. The word is often misused; it meant that the weakest 10 legionnaires in the legion were killed by the perceived stronger men. It meant that you would not be compromised by weaker soldiers in the heat of battle. The effect strengthened the legion -- the weak men were gone and the strong were stronger because they knew what was going to happen if they showed weakness.

    On February 5, 2000, Ireland had 50 points put on them by England at Twickenham. The operative definition of the word blitz, I suppose, is appropriate. Ireland showed weakness and so the coach of the day, who else but Wazza, took out the scalpel and transformed the composition of his side. Shane Horgan, Simon Easterby, John Hayes, Peter Stringer and Ronan O'Gara were brought into the team. Wow, you had to hand it to Gatland, it was on the ballsy side of audacious. We did not know then what we know now about this new quintet.

    They were a hugely positive augmentation. The players who survived the cull reacted in the right fashion too. The gamble worked and Ireland beat France in Paris for the first time in yonks.

    The term legend is used very loosely in Irish rugby folklore these days, but under the trades descriptions act they all qualify -- but it took a 50-pointer to bring on their introduction.

    Maybe I was rash to think last week that a postponement was a good thing and a few deficiencies could be ironed out against a limited Italian side, but then I thought maybe a 40-point thrashing in Paris would be the catalyst for change and I mean change in every sense of the word. Change in personnel, direction, captain, attitude, strategy -- because it has to come. Then I checked the larder. There was only one player who played for the Wolfhounds against the Saxons in Exeter a few weeks

    ago who you would gun-against-the-temple pick to play for Ireland. The reason nobody quibbles with the selection of the current side is because we literally have nobody else to pick.

    We could come up with one out of the Horgan, Hayes, Easterby, Stringer and O'Gara quintet. Peter O'Mahony arrived by accident. He is on the bench and we could drop Jamie Heaslip, move O'Brien to No 8 and put in O'Mahony on the open side, but that is tinkering.

    I look at the Rabo when the 'stars' are away and all I see is Isa Nacewa. Nacewa is not only the best player in Ireland, but in Europe, and when I see him play I look at the other backs and forwards playing with him and against him and wonder why they haven't even come close to catching up with him -- not even mentally.

    We could trot out the names of half a dozen bright young things but none of them are remotely ready. That is a worry when you actually assess what should be coming through.

    We have nowhere else to go and await two squeaky games against Scotland and Italy, a thrashing in Paris and a shot at redemption in Twickenham.

    The coach is under pressure. His team is going nowhere and unfortunately, unlike Matt Busby and Warren Gatland, then and now there is nothing he can do about it.
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    Not only does that tubby mule not know what decimation was, for that piss-lazy tub of lard to talk about anyone else's leadership skills is like Dirk Diggler lecturing on the evils of fornication.
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    That is an ignorant article up there with the worst of what that other clown Hook could deliver. Does the Indo really need 2 harbringer of doom rugby writers?

    It just shows no grasp of reality. 'The reason nobody quibbles with the selection of the current side is because we literally have nobody else to pick.'. That is the punchline of a very bad joke. Munster, Leinster N°1 & 2 in HEC and we've no one to pick. The other countries must be staring into the abyss so!

    He talks as if ROG, Stringer, Easterby, Horgan & Hayes were obvious INTL players at the time they were brought into the IRL team. The provinces had none of the success they have now at the time, hardly anyone knew who those players were. Idiot, he defeats his own argument with that one. If ever there was an example of bravery in selection being rewarded, it was that. That the same coach has done much the same with Wales seems to have completely bypassed his mind.

    Look through the provinces Francis, you clown: PO'M, Zebo, Sherry, DOC2 (Munster), Dom Ryan, EO'Malley, Madigan, Conway (Leinster), Gilroy, McAllister, Marshall, Spense (Ulster). O'Hallaran, Griffen etc (Connacht). There's plenty of raw material out there. As 'raw' as much of those players are, there is at least half of those (and more I've left out) who will be decent INTL standard or better players, I'm willing to bet.

    Just because you close your eyes and refuse to look outside the chosen few 'untouchables' doesn't mean there is nothing there. There is plenty there but like Gatland did at Wales (with inferior players at club level, I stress again - the Dragons backrow is 2/3's of the Welsh one FFS). It's like us picking the Connacht centres!
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    WUM article from a coward.
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    The Mule could have written that drivel and specifically designed it to get a rise here.

    He may be reading this somewhere right now, and if so is laughing at our responses.

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    Neil Francis has no clue what he's on about. The problem was never the individual ability of the players DK selected, although he clearly views this as the only possible factor in poor performances and since he can't scour better from the provinces reserves assumes all is lost. A naive and childish way to go about thing, why on earth do both the Indo and Setanta actually pay him money for his insight when a pre-teen who plays championship manager would have a greater tactical insight.

    The problems are the balance in our backrow, halfbacks who don't compliment each other and playing a gameplan that Sexton is absolutely inept at executing. There's no magic personnel cure, it's about refining the right tactic for the right players and getting the balance right in key areas. I'm appalled that a supposed renowned pundit would believe that our team needs a complete overhaul. Some dreadful comments as well.

    I don't think O'Connell has won a meaningful game for Ireland as captain. He has done the job for Munster as captain but not Ireland. Ireland was the inferior team in the Aviva, yet it was a match that they should have won. The buck stops with the leader on the field
    Imagine if the same bunch of idiots were charged with flying the team home -- another clusterf***, God forbid, of Munich air disaster proportions, although at least Matt Busby had some extravagantly talented teenagers hanging around when half his team were tragically killed.
    The reason nobody quibbles with the selection of the current side is because we literally have nobody else to pick.
    Nobody quibbles with the selection of Darcy, DOC, Sexton and Murray. Really? What planet is this guy on.

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    He is talking about the Lions captain here.
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    He is talking about the Lions captain that people who were on the 2005 tour said was the best captain they'd ever played with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcork View Post
    That is an ignorant article up there with the worst of what that other clown Hook could deliver. Does the Indo really need 2 harbringer of doom rugby writers?

    It just shows no grasp of reality. 'The reason nobody quibbles with the selection of the current side is because we literally have nobody else to pick.'. That is the punchline of a very bad joke. Munster, Leinster N°1 & 2 in HEC and we've no one to pick. The other countries must be staring into the abyss so!

    He talks as if ROG, Stringer, Easterby, Horgan & Hayes were obvious INTL players at the time they were brought into the IRL team. The provinces had none of the success they have now at the time, hardly anyone knew who those players were. Idiot, he defeats his own argument with that one. If ever there was an example of bravery in selection being rewarded, it was that. That the same coach has done much the same with Wales seems to have completely bypassed his mind.

    Look through the provinces Francis, you clown: PO'M, Zebo, Sherry, DOC2 (Munster), Dom Ryan, EO'Malley, Madigan, Conway (Leinster), Gilroy, McAllister, Marshall, Spense (Ulster). O'Hallaran, Griffen etc (Connacht). There's plenty of raw material out there. As 'raw' as much of those players are, there is at least half of those (and more I've left out) who will be decent INTL standard or better players, I'm willing to bet.

    Just because you close your eyes and refuse to look outside the chosen few 'untouchables' doesn't mean there is nothing there. There is plenty there but like Gatland did at Wales (with inferior players at club level, I stress again - the Dragons backrow is 2/3's of the Welsh one FFS). It's like us picking the Connacht centres!

    I think the article is right on the money.
    People dont like it because he's right.
    Irelands record when Brian O Driscoll is absent is utterly lamentable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitzy73 View Post
    Paul O'Connell has come in and manfully tried to put his mark on the badge. I stand to be corrected but I don't think O'Connell has won a meaningful game for Ireland as captain. He has done the job for Munster as captain but not Ireland.
    This is an argument I've seen before on this forum and one that needs to be nipped right now.

    In all of the games in which O'Connell was captain, O'Driscoll was missing. A pretty important weakening of the team you'd think, hence making victory more difficult.

    In the bulk of the games in which O'Driscoll was captain, O'Connell was playing. A pretty important player to have leading your pack you'd think, making victory a lot more attainable.

    So let's judge O'Connell as Irish captain when he has O'Driscoll playing on his team.

    And, in case this is viewed as O'Driscoll-bashing on MF.com, I refer you to the "Brian O'Driscoll - The Greatest?" thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackwarrior View Post
    This is an argument I've seen before on this forum and one that needs to be nipped right now.

    In all of the games in which O'Connell was captain, O'Driscoll was missing. A pretty important weakening of the team you'd think, hence making victory more difficult.

    In the bulk of the games in which O'Driscoll was captain, O'Connell was playing. A pretty important player to have leading your pack you'd think, making victory a lot more attainable.

    So let's judge O'Connell as Irish captain when he has O'Driscoll playing on his team.

    And, in case this is viewed as O'Driscoll-bashing on MF.com, I refer you to the "Brian O'Driscoll - The Greatest?" thread.
    POC is the best second row in the world IMO. But I dont think he's the best captain in the world and you can shoot me for saying it if you like.

    I agree completely on his views on the Rabo. Look at the treviso v munster game yesterday. I mean that was treviso's 2nd/3rd team and lets face it their first team isnt great. Just because a guy plays well yesterday does not mean he's a future international.
    We seem to think they are and its across the board in all provinces.

    As regards the dragons having two players from their pack making waves at international level. that has nothing to do with what team they play for. Welsh players in my view have better basic skills then our lads. So when they move up a level and get their best players playig together at international level they suffer less skillset failures at criticial game time moments.

    These skill-set failures under pressure have poxed irish rugby for at least two decades now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
    I think the article is right on the money.
    People dont like it because he's right.
    Irelands record when Brian O Driscoll is absent is utterly lamentable.
    Look at it this way...........1 championship with the golden generation is also lamentable & the huge underachievement at WC's isn't to be sniffed at either. You can look at facts any way to suit a poor argument.


    Both are good captains & to be taking swipes at either is predictably small time from a coward. POC & BOD have been incredible for Ireland & deserve huge respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
    POC is the best second row in the world IMO. But I dont think he's the best captain in the world and you can shoot me for saying it if you like.

    I agree completely on his views on the Rabo. Look at the treviso v munster game yesterday. I mean that was treviso's 2nd/3rd team and lets face it their first team isnt great. Just because a guy plays well yesterday does not mean he's a future international.
    We seem to think they are and its across the board in all provinces.

    As regards the dragons having two players from their pack making waves at international level. that has nothing to do with what team they play for. Welsh players in my view have better basic skills then our lads. So when they move up a level and get their best players playig together at international level they suffer less skillset failures at criticial game time moments.

    These skill-set failures under pressure have poxed irish rugby for at least two decades now.
    I think I'll take the words of the players, McGeehan, Gatland who commented on POC after the Lions tour.
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    Francis was a lazy player who never had the bottle or heart to go with his talent.
    His correct that Ireland miss bod and I'd agree that poc hasn't done it as captain yet with ireland.
    Kidney should make at changes for the Italian game.
    Id bring in wilko for healy just to develop the option
    give McCarthy And Pom a go if even on the bench
    dave kearney and Zeno in the squad omalley and ferg in the centre for one game should be tried
    its a pity we don't have a few more wolfhound games to try out a few more lads
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
    But I dont think he's the best captain in the world and you can shoot me for saying it if you like.
    I won't shoot you because I never said that POC was the best captain "in the world".

    But Francis was comparing his Irish captaincy unfavourably to O'Driscoll's, and I was simply making the point that his comparison was flawed.
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    This has nothing to do with captaincy.
    The problem is the BOD is the standout 13 in world rugby for the past decade.
    His Irish international replacements are therefore nowhere near his standard defensively or in attack.
    When he isn't there, we're exposed in midfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Crowns3Stars View Post
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    This has nothing to do with captaincy.
    The problem is the BOD is the standout 13 in world rugby for the past decade.
    His Irish international replacements are therefore nowhere near his standard defensively or in attack.
    When he isn't there, we're exposed in midfield.
    Precisely!
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    If I was the editor, i would have reduced that to 2 GOOD (as there was) paragraphs, and a picture of , emmmm, samantha fox's boobs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Crowns3Stars View Post
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    This has nothing to do with captaincy.
    The problem is the BOD is the standout 13 in world rugby for the past decade.
    His Irish international replacements are therefore nowhere near his standard defensively or in attack.
    When he isn't there, we're exposed in midfield.
    Re argument of captaincy. BO'D didn't do so well as captain in the A.I's when PO'C was missing. Our lineout fell apart, nothing BO'D could do about that just like there is very little PO'C can do about a midfield misfiring in attack & defence. I've made the argument before that BO'D has been carrying D'Arcy for the last couple of seasons as PO'C has been carrying DO'C. Both D'Arce/DO'C have had their faults covered up to a degree by the outstanding players next to them. Both have been exposed badly in their absence. Worryingly both have kept their places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
    I think the article is right on the money.
    People dont like it because he's right.
    Irelands record when Brian O Driscoll is absent is utterly lamentable.
    Francis is never on the money about anything and there is no difference here. Ireland's record when missing PO'C is equally lamentable.

    However this is to get away from the fundamental argument that there is nothing outside the XV that Kidney is picking. Bµllsh*te of the highest order. 3 teams in HEC for the first time (2 of them comfortably as No1 & 2 seeds - both were qualified with a game to spare). the players are there.

    The real problem in Irish rugby is when people pick a team, they look at how many caps a guy has rather than how he is playing on the field. It seems once you have 50 caps, you can play like a plank and all is forgiven. Produce the same crap on your 2nd cap, you'll be dropped like a hot stone and people will be telling you that was your last cap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_like_cake View Post
    If I was the editor, i would have reduced that to 2 GOOD (as there was) paragraphs, and a picture of , emmmm, samantha fox's boobs....
    Have you seen the state of Sam Fox recently, she could be said to be even worse that the usual sh*te from Francis; at least Outlaw agrees with him!?!?!

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    Reality check: our record in the past 2 years has been dire with BOD practically ever present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcork View Post
    Francis is never on the money about anything and there is no difference here. Ireland's record when missing PO'C is equally lamentable.

    However this is to get away from the fundamental argument that there is nothing outside the XV that Kidney is picking. Bµllsh*te of the highest order. 3 teams in HEC for the first time (2 of them comfortably as No1 & 2 seeds - both were qualified with a game to spare). the players are there.

    The real problem in Irish rugby is when people pick a team, they look at how many caps a guy has rather than how he is playing on the field. It seems once you have 50 caps, you can play like a plank and all is forgiven. Produce the same crap on your 2nd cap, you'll be dropped like a hot stone and people will be telling you that was your last cap.
    So how many lads who made a test team during Kidneys reign have been cast into the international wilderness after a cap or two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowlinz View Post
    So how many lads who made a test team during Kidneys reign have been cast into the international wilderness after a cap or two?
    I didn't say that anywhere. Of all Kidney's faults, that wouldn't be one of them. He does back his players when he picks them. I was referring to people on here (and you'd have been one) and in the papers. We are far more forgiving of multi-capped internationals than we are of young players just breaking through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Crowns3Stars View Post
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    This has nothing to do with captaincy.
    The problem is the BOD is the standout 13 in world rugby for the past decade.
    His Irish international replacements are therefore nowhere near his standard defensively or in attack.
    When he isn't there, we're exposed in midfield.
    Exactly the point being made above. And a very pertinent point at that. Francis knows this only too well. Its a quiet week in rugby when he has to resort to petty crap of this type.
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    Folks, show some compassion for a columnist with a weekly deadline and absolutely nothing to say.

    But it's not without interest.

    It was Gatland's first international job IIRC so he must have been itching to clear out some of the old guard - just to announce his arrival and stamp his authority on the dressing room.

    And the Munster half backs didn't come from nowhwere. Munster were blazing a trail to Twickenham that year, and a young and able prop, a backrower with a huge engine and a speedy winger built like a forward ... it wasn't that much of a risk. And facing France in Paris there really was nothing to lose - we could have shipped another 50 and no one would have batted an eyelid.

    But Gatland did do it and you can't take that away from him.

    But why would Kidney do something like that when he knows the players so well and is comfortable in his job and in his skin - unlike Gatland was.

    Along with Murray, Felix Jones should already be in this team, but for injury, and Earls would be back on the wing.

    So there' be a back three of Jones, Earls and Trimble. That's the best we have and it's excellent - with maybe Zebo, O'Halloran and Fitz another six months to a year off being ready

    Sexton'ROG/Reddan/Murray at half back. What more would you want?

    Centre is impossible because everyone will compare a new 13 with O'Driscoll and what's the point. There will never be another like him. His absence means D'Arcy will stay for the continuity but we'd be better off with a new pairing. Barnes, Cave, Griffen, McFadden and O'Malley could all do a competent job. I'd like to see Barnes and Cave at 12 & 13.

    Wallace and O'Mahony can fix our 7 problem. Ferris, O'Brien and Heaslip demanded to be tried but they were found out. Move on.

    O'Connell + 1 is usually enough in the second row. We're OK at hooker and we only have two props anyway.

    What's the problem? We're not the best team in world but, you'll get that. But we're not far off being a very good side indeed.
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    Rathbaner, you forget the old guard cleaned out were Gatland's own. He'd already taken Ireland to Lens in 1999.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcork View Post
    Re argument of captaincy. BO'D didn't do so well as captain in the A.I's when PO'C was missing. Our lineout fell apart, nothing BO'D could do about that just like there is very little PO'C can do about a midfield misfiring in attack & defence.
    Agree absolutely. If Brian ODriscoll is such a great captain how come he doesnt/didnt captain his club team in the past few years? Not criticising him as he has been a great player but he had the experience of Paul OConnell in the front and between them and Ronan OGara they were the heroes who held the whole ship together for Ireland. Its stupid to attack the captain if the team doesnt perform. Could as easily attack the water carriers. It comes down to the game plan on the night and the captain has a role in implementing it but it is limited.
    Also think his attack about the French freeze up is ridiculous it has little to do with the Irish manager or players. This is not a support for the IRFU or the Lansdowne road click but the mess up was the French unions. Ive never heard the Irish squad complain about the travel arrangements like has happened in soccer. Weve never had a Saipan. Id boycott the SIndo if I ever bought it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathbaner View Post

    And the Munster half backs didn't come from nowhwere. Munster were blazing a trail to Twickenham that year, and a young and able prop, a backrower with a huge engine and a speedy winger built like a forward ... it wasn't that much of a risk. And facing France in Paris there really was nothing to lose - we could have shipped another 50 and no one would have batted an eyelid.

    Unlike Ulster, Munster & Leinster now? The players above were relatively unknowns then though as the HEC had no where near the same exposure. And Gatland has done the same now with Wales. he has brought in totally unknown club players (to the wider rugby public) and moulded a very fine team. No one I believe expects a clearout with this Irish team but some hint of of genuine competition for places (or at least some openmindness in selection) would be nice especially after disappointing performances and results. There is one thing I agree with Francis about and that is a pasting by France last week might have provocked some positive change with longer term in mind. Let's hope the management don't need a bad defeat for them to make the correct decisions.
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