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    Starting XV for Lions Tour???

    God I hope Ross Ford goes, it would be up there with Waldrom!!??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukic View Post
    The squad will be predominantly welsh , with the irish maybe tipping the english by one or two and three from Scotland with Gray a first teamer , Denton in the running and Visser the surprise package ,

    Ireland will have
    1. Sexton
    2. O'Driscoll
    3. Ferris
    4. O'Brien
    5. Heaslip
    and possibly Earls and O'Mahony depending on form , Murray , Rog and POC to miss out , POC wont last the season injury wise
    So are you saying the five named will go even if their form for the season is sh!te?

    Have you a crystal ball to be able to tell whether POC will last the season injury wise?
    I've seen better centres in a box of Black Magic

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    My Stab at XV;

    1.Healy
    2.Ford
    3.A.Jones
    4R. Grey
    5 POC
    6Ferris
    7.Warburton
    8.Faletou
    9Phillips
    10 Sexton
    11.North
    12.J. Roberts
    13.Tuilagi
    14.Visser
    15.Foden

    Australia physically have a very small backline may aswel take full advantage of it with a big starting 15.

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    Good team, stick Lawes in there instead of POC (hopefully) and possibly Cole @3, and I would be happy to sleep through the matches, which I inevitably will even if Munster had a couple of players there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by redherring View Post
    So are you saying the five named will go even if their form for the season is sh!te?

    Have you a crystal ball to be able to tell whether POC will last the season injury wise?

    Ok red herring relax its only a comment , jesus you would be half afraid of writing anything here half the time , and no i dont have a crystal ball but its my opinion , didnt see you picking a team seeing you know everything and everyone else is wrong

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    After rounds 1& 2 of the HC my team for 1st test would be:

    1. Joe Marler (Replace Dan Coles, was never good a distinguishing Tight from Loose head sorry)
    2. Richardt Strauss (so explosive in the loose, reminds me of a Fla in his hayday)
    3. Adam Jones (Showed wasn't just a scrummager, did well at rucktime)
    4. Richie Gray
    5. Paul O Connell (getting back to his best in round 2, good in lineout and got a lot of touches)
    6. Chris Robshaw (i know he's a 7 but think he'd be good enough at 6 as well)
    7. Steffon Armitage (Justin Tipuric been best from B&I sides)
    8. Nick Easter (Think he's been excellent thus far)
    9. Danny Care (SUPERB) (Ben Youngs and Murray had a good Round 2)
    10. Johnny Wilkinson (Been very very good, Dan Biggar runs him close with Flood)
    11. Alex Cuthbert
    12. Jamie Roberts
    13. Jonathon Davies/Manu Tuilagi (Tough Call after todays match)
    14. Chris Ashton
    15. Leigh Halfpenny
    Last edited by Bromance; 21st-October-2012 at 18:32.

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    Sky sports doing their infuriating lions index now.

    no Irish starter.

    half backs are Care and Cipriani

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    To be fair to them, they did all state that it was NOT their selection for the first test but a Form guide to whose playing well based on performances so far and than averaged out from the 2 games. Care is rightfully at 9, been exceptional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromance View Post
    After rounds 1& 2 of the HC my team for 1st test would be:

    1. Dan Coles (solid throughout)
    2. Richardt Strauss (so explosive in the loose, reminds me of a Fla in his hayday)
    3. Adam Jones (Showed wasn't just a scrummager, did well at rucktime)
    4. Richie Gray
    5. Paul O Connell (getting back to his best in round 2, good in lineout and got a lot of touches)
    6. Chris Robshaw (i know he's a 7 but think he'd be good enough at 6 as well)
    7. Steffon Armitage (Justin Tipuric been best from B&I sides)
    8. Nick Easter (Think he's been excellent thus far)
    9. Danny Care (SUPERB) (Ben Youngs and Murray had a good Round 2)
    10. Johnny Wilkinson (Been very very good, Dan Biggar runs him close with Flood)
    11. Alex Cuthbert
    12. Jamie Roberts
    13. Jonathon Davies/Manu Tuilagi (Tough Call after todays match)
    14. Chris Ashton
    15. Leigh Halfpenny
    Cole is a TH though so unlikely he and Jones will both play
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Omer View Post
    Cole is a TH though so unlikely he and Jones will both play
    Oops. thanks. I'll edit that......thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukic View Post
    Ok red herring relax its only a comment , jesus you would be half afraid of writing anything here half the time , and no i dont have a crystal ball but its my opinion , didnt see you picking a team seeing you know everything and everyone else is wrong
    I asked two questions of your post. Don't think it states 'I know everything and everyone else is wrong'.

    You will probably be proven right with the five aforementioned. Personally I think SOB might not make it. I just can't see how you can predict POC not lasting. Maybe age might be catching up but unless he gets unlucky I expect him to be there. Seing as how you mentioned it I would go for on current form (including summer tours):

    1. Healy
    2. Best
    3. A Jones
    4. Grey
    5. POC
    6. Ferris
    7. Warburton
    8. Morgan
    9. Phillips
    10. Flood
    11. Ashton
    12. Roberts
    13. BOD
    14. North
    15. Halfpenney
    I've seen better centres in a box of Black Magic

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    If SOB does what he did to McCaw for 2/3 tests for this season he will make the Lions ahead of Warburton. If he doesn't then he won't. I'd expect the bitter man to take as many Welsh and/or Wasps players he knows as he can. To get beyond that you'd need to be exceptional. In the summer SOB was that.

    I'd also expect as things stand that poor or not Australia will comfortably win the series, probably 2-1 but that won't reflect that their wins will be comfortable ones. When you look at what we can field, if BOD is the best OC we're in trouble because he's on his last legs. OH? Cupboard is pretty bare. Sexton and Keatley have as much chance as anyone else, the former fair enough, the latter shouldn't be but seriously there's nothing stand out international class at OH around in the British & Irish isles at the moment. Wings will be packed with scoring talent, they could basically just take all their wing options and forget OC and FB players. But then considering the options at IC and OC they might have to do that. SHs are nothing special at present either. England have the 2 flakiest under pressure SHs I've ever seen. Ireland has nothing special at the moment, Murray could be good but he's years away not months. Reddan is up and down and I don't think the Lions will have the pack to help him out the way Wasps did. Scotland are average there. Wales? Phillips offers brutality and brutal passing but he's still possibly their best. Up front Lions could field a selection of front rows that will smash their opposite numbers. Locks some good/some bad. Back row will be about who can still walk come the end of the season. Lions to have the best up front but not a clue what to do with that ball they win. Aussies to live off scraps and illegality up front but do something with those scraps and pile up more points.
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    Re: Starting XV for Lions Tour???

    POC is 15/1 on PP to be Lions captain......

    Just saying....
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    Won't be with Gatland running the show - will be Welsh as will large chunk of the squad. Even if the bitterness doesn't do it then the brains will. He will know how Henry ****ed up his Welsh tenure by telling the Welsh players they were the best around for years then when they were on the Lions tour he wouldn't pick a one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Omer View Post
    Won't be with Gatland running the show - will be Welsh as will large chunk of the squad. Even if the bitterness doesn't do it then the brains will. He will know how Henry ****ed up his Welsh tenure by telling the Welsh players they were the best around for years then when they were on the Lions tour he wouldn't pick a one of them.
    I don't think he'll get away with a Welsh captain myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterchief View Post
    POC is 15/1 on PP to be Lions captain......

    Just saying....

    That's a super price for the 3rd favourite.

    I'm not sure why Robshaw is second favourite at 5/1. Is he likely to beat Ferris etc to the blindside spot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Omer View Post
    Won't be with Gatland running the show - will be Welsh as will large chunk of the squad. Even if the bitterness doesn't do it then the brains will. He will know how Henry ****ed up his Welsh tenure by telling the Welsh players they were the best around for years then when they were on the Lions tour he wouldn't pick a one of them.
    Well he constantly loses against Australia with Welsh players so maybe the penny will drop and he'll try something different!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tickettout View Post
    That's a super price for the 3rd favourite.

    I'm not sure why Robshaw is second favourite at 5/1. Is he likely to beat Ferris etc to the blindside spot?
    That's why I backed him, if POC stays injury free I think he'll be captain. I don't think Robshaw will be a cert to start so I can't see him being captain (I think he might lead the dirt trackers though).

    I think Gatty will have a load of his lads on the Lions squad and on that basis I think the captain won't be Welsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Omer View Post
    If SOB does what he did to McCaw for 2/3 tests for this season he will make the Lions ahead of Warburton. If he doesn't then he won't. I'd expect the bitter man to take as many Welsh and/or Wasps players he knows as he can. To get beyond that you'd need to be exceptional. In the summer SOB was that.

    I'd also expect as things stand that poor or not Australia will comfortably win the series, probably 2-1 but that won't reflect that their wins will be comfortable ones. When you look at what we can field, if BOD is the best OC we're in trouble because he's on his last legs. OH? Cupboard is pretty bare. Sexton and Keatley have as much chance as anyone else, the former fair enough, the latter shouldn't be but seriously there's nothing stand out international class at OH around in the British & Irish isles at the moment. Wings will be packed with scoring talent, they could basically just take all their wing options and forget OC and FB players. But then considering the options at IC and OC they might have to do that. SHs are nothing special at present either. England have the 2 flakiest under pressure SHs I've ever seen. Ireland has nothing special at the moment, Murray could be good but he's years away not months. Reddan is up and down and I don't think the Lions will have the pack to help him out the way Wasps did. Scotland are average there. Wales? Phillips offers brutality and brutal passing but he's still possibly their best. Up front Lions could field a selection of front rows that will smash their opposite numbers. Locks some good/some bad. Back row will be about who can still walk come the end of the season. Lions to have the best up front but not a clue what to do with that ball they win. Aussies to live off scraps and illegality up front but do something with those scraps and pile up more points.
    My reasoning for SOB is I think he needs the summer off. The injury he has at the moment is very similar to Leamy's. Couple that with I expect Leinster to be busy come next April and May it will be a big ask for him to keep up his level.
    I've seen better centres in a box of Black Magic

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    I don't know why people are ruling out Ford..... he showed last Sunday in the first half that he could pick out O'Connell time after time in the lineout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellovating View Post
    I don't know why people are ruling out Ford..... he showed last Sunday in the first half that he could pick out O'Connell time after time in the lineout.
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    here all week folks...

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    Lions special now on the Rugby Club, Sky Sports One.

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    if fit warburton will be captain
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    Quote Originally Posted by tickettout View Post
    That's a super price for the 3rd favourite.

    I'm not sure why Robshaw is second favourite at 5/1. Is he likely to beat Ferris etc to the blindside spot?
    No more complicated than him being England skipper i suspect.

    Putting money on any back row to even be on the plane at this stage is a punt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
    if fit warburton will be captain
    I disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterchief View Post
    I disagree.
    with a welsh team coaching staff its a guarantee
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
    with a welsh team coaching staff its a guarantee
    Quite the opposite, with a Welsh coaching team I think it's even less likely. Politics and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterchief View Post
    Quite the opposite, with a Welsh coaching team I think it's even less likely. Politics and all that.
    Think its between Warburton, BOD and POC. With i think BOD (being fit) will get the nod

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outlaw View Post
    if fit warburton will be captain
    Tipuric is playing considerably better than 'bread' at the moment.

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