Club versus Country

[lactose intolerant]

Nothing is wrong with you mate :-)

your loyalty was or wasn't in question... im sure your as Munster as fitzy who has been following them since 1873......

i was merely curious to your lengthy posts on what seems to be justifying or explaining why you clicked Munster....or your

quest to banish the bandwagon myth.......

don't worry you can be on team Ireland and team munster ... no need to feel left on the bench no 16

I thought it made for a good read, quite thought provoking!! (And that's not just because I got a mention )

So cheers for that 16

[NotreDameRFC]

we don't have go back that far to see inter.pro attentances numbering in the hundreds...... success of Munster ( and not just 2006) has alot to do with the numbers that follow Munster now....

But we are not alone in that.... Leinster ... Leicester .... chelsea.... man city .... or whatever teamfits the analagy as its support grow and dwindle over the years...


As previous posters said... there is no right answer.

[No. 16]

Nothing is wrong with you mate :-)

your loyalty was or wasn't in question... im sure your as Munster as fitzy who has been following them since 1873......

i was merely curious to your lengthy posts on what seems to be justifying or explaining why you clicked Munster....or your

quest to banish the bandwagon myth.......

don't worry you can be on team Ireland and team munster ... no need to feel left on the bench no 16

No. There is. Wasn't there someone here in the room with us a minute ago? He was dressed like a troll and doing this awful wumming. It wouldn't stop, then all I could see was red and I lashed out! He was here I swear! I just kept shooting and shooting and he wouldn't die. He just kept coming and he didn't make any sense, but he was so mean! Then I blacked out.

No I suppose I misinterpreted your 6 counties joke as literal and accusatory. The rest was just playful mental masturbation. Sorry, didn't mean to get any on ya there...I also just seized the opportunity to construe Fitzy's statements as offensive - Sorry bout that Fitz. ;-)

[NotreDameRFC]

I thought it made for a good read, quite thought provoking!! (And that's not just because I got a mention )

So cheers for that 16

it was because you got a mention

[NotreDameRFC]

No. There is. Wasn't there someone here in the room with us a minute ago? He was dressed like a troll and doing this awful wumming. It wouldn't stop, then all I could see was red and I lashed out! He was here I swear! I just kept shooting and shooting and he wouldn't die. He just kept coming and he didn't make any sense, but he was so mean! Then I blacked out.

No I suppose I misinterpreted your 6 counties joke as literal and accusatory. The rest was just playful mental masturbation. Sorry, didn't mean to get any on ya there...I also just seized the opportunity to construe Fitzy's statements as offensive - Sorry bout that Fitz. ;-)

im glad you saw "red"

[No. 16]

Btw I'm just facilitating the debate.

I have no issue with people supporting Munster above Ireland. Whatever rocks yer boat and all that.

However, I just find it a bit disingenuous of people who grew up watching Ireland (and in some cases their local club) suddenly purport hold Munster in greater esteem.

I also find it bizarre that people claim nationality is an accident of birth, but they still have more of a gra for Munster, which is "local".

I can only presume that, for them, "Irish by birth, Munster by the grace of god" is some sort of post ironic statement that eludes my limited intellect.

Nationality is an accident of birth (in most cases ;-). Then where you live is a choice and a careful one because you will be forced to supprt the provincial Rugby team and you better like it! The government will emphatically confirm that living in Munster or Leinster or whatever is a personal choice. You have chosen your allegiance. Then we (the self-delusional of us) convince ourselves that it is the be all and end all! ;-) It makes it easier now that the game has gone professional and they started that Heineken European Cup competition in recent times - otherwise all these people that are now bandwagon supporters and interested have an excuse. I'm sure they are really sorry for not caring at all about the national team anymore. In some cases though, just much less than they used to. But they just can't help loving Munster that little bit more, because for many of them - It's right out the road and the stadium is big and shiny now and you can buy a new polyseter jersey in some dayglow colours every year now. I know the ticket prices in the Lansdowne Aviva are really reasonably priced and all that - now more so then ever and sure what's the difference between travelling to Dublin and Walking out the road (for many)? 6 in one, dozen the other right? But you try to resist. You want to love the green Jersey more, but the "Munster Brand" is just so powerful! It just sucks you in! Like that fly in A Bug's Life who flies into his blue destiny...
"Don't go into the light!"
"I cannn't Heeelppp It! It's tooo bwoooteeeful"!

Also - Yes that "Irish by birth, Munster by the grace of god" really is a perfectly Corkonianish manifestation of the superiority complex isn't it...

[sewa]

Munster by a mile and no apologies for that. The Ireland sideshow is mildly entertaining but lacks substance for me.

[No. 16]

Jaysus. Have you seen all those Ulster bandwagoners in Raven hill at the moment! It's raining and only a league match! What are they at at all a'tall? Ireland's playing France in less than 24hrs! There must be taosands of em there! How could they be so distracted all of a sudden like!

[Point]

Btw I'm just facilitating the debate.

I have no issue with people supporting Munster above Ireland. Whatever rocks yer boat and all that.

However, I just find it a bit disingenuous of people who grew up watching Ireland (and in some cases their local club) suddenly purport hold Munster in greater esteem.

I also find it bizarre that people claim nationality is an accident of birth, but they still have more of a gra for Munster, which is "local".

I can only presume that, for them, "Irish by birth, Munster by the grace of god" is some sort of post ironic statement that eludes my limited intellect.

One might also say that Munster represents a more honest representation of Ireland rather than the whole screw up that surrounds the Ireland rugby team where our players aren't allowed stand for our national anthem when representing our country abroad.

[Cowboy]

One might also say that Munster represents a more honest representation of Ireland rather than the whole screw up that surrounds the Ireland rugby team where our players aren't allowed stand for our national anthem when representing our country abroad.

The old man often reminds me of the days before my time when incredible Munster based players couldn't get picked for the Irish team. If you were from the 'right' provinces and the selection panel liked you it was harder get dropped off the Irish team than selected for it. Local AIL clubs were laying waste to the Dublin and Ulster clubs but could never get the nod. As I say it's before my time but if what he claims is accurate than I can see why some disillusion could be justified?

[HenryFitz]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...l-3239674.html

Brian O'Driscoll gives his Lexus-worth on the matter. Country, Province, Sponsor?

[i_like_cake]

Thanks for posting that... great words from a great man....

[brightspark]

For the supporter his province, for the player his country !

[NotreDameRFC]

good idea to highlight this thread again after reading back on this..nothing like a good slagging match

[FORWARD....]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...l-3239674.html

Brian O'Driscoll gives his Lexus-worth on the matter. Country, Province, Sponsor?

Yeah-why throw in the Brian is an ambassador for Lexus at the end?-it just jarred.I suppose it isn't a coincidence that the L on the Ladyeez jerseys looks very similar to the Lexus Logo.

[HenryFitz]

I grew up watching Ireland matches, so it's always Ireland first for me. The only Munster games I saw in my youth were Munster - ABs in 89 and Munster - Aus in 92. The first Munster match I attended was the drubbing by Australia in 96, which was shortly after the famous 'keep it under 70' game in Toulouse. Though being a Munster fan promised as much pain and disappointment as being an Ireland fan, Ireland had got there first.

[joeriddick]

Much like ND over the Giants, it's Munster over Ireland for me for myriad reasons, chief among them being I wasn't born in Ireland.

[fitzy73]

Jayus I was in a foul mood in February.

[NotreDameRFC]

Much like ND over the Giants, it's Munster over Ireland for me for myriad reasons, chief among them being I wasn't born in Ireland.

Giants


saints fan myself ....before u say it ...yes we're sh1te this year

[lactose intolerant]

Jayus I was in a foul mood in February.

You're always in a foul mood ya grumpy bastard

[fitzy73]

You're always in a foul mood ya grumpy bastard

That may be so, but to the best of my knowledge I've never worn a cardigan.

[Kevy-Wevz]

This 'MunsterMicko' fella that comments after all the articles certainly does a fine job of dragging Munster supporters name through the dirt.

Quite a talent to do it single-handedly and as effectively as he does

[lactose intolerant]

That may be so, but to the best of my knowledge I've never worn a cardigan.

hence the grumpiness.....

[Clubman]

I can't avoid thinking that if Drico is verbalising these thoughts there is more to it, especially the bit where he says about players who, having a bad time with Ireland just go back to the comforts of home and feel better. Did he have someone or more than one in mind? Three Heiny cups form a fair old comfort blanket mind you.

As a punter, I feel offended that the IRFU have chosen to ignore Hamilton and are off again trying to peddle us expensive tickets for the AIs without a word of an apology - which is owed - nor a word of committment that this will NEVER happen again, for a beaten docket team.

[Balla Boy]

Clubman


I think they're assuming a certain degree of inelasticity in demand. As those who've always had access to tickets balk at the price, others who haven't had anything to do with clubs should take up the slack.

The problem from their perspective is that they still haven't put in place a direct to market, first come first served sales channel, so those who would pay the prices still don't know how to buy.

Stick them on Ticketmaster and they'd fill the place.


Unfortunately, that means that consumer disaffection has a good bit to run before it becomes potent.

Customers like you are like trade unionists in a high unemployment economy - "if you won't take it, there's a fella outside who will".

[Hugged Rugger]

Thought they were on ticket master

[McCloud]

Should it not be club, province, Ireland?

[sewa]

For some people Mc Cloud it is but not everyone has just one club, even those that did may have ended up there by accident

[Mcork]

I can't avoid thinking that if Drico is verbalising these thoughts there is more to it, especially the bit where he says about players who, having a bad time with Ireland just go back to the comforts of home and feel better. Did he have someone or more than one in mind? Three Heiny cups form a fair old comfort blanket mind you.

As a punter, I feel offended that the IRFU have chosen to ignore Hamilton and are off again trying to peddle us expensive tickets for the AIs without a word of an apology - which is owed - nor a word of committment that this will NEVER happen again, for a beaten docket team.

Agree. The words of kidney don't fill one with hope either. No mea culpa on his behalf regarding the conservatism in selection culminating in bringing a veteran off a beach rather than take a 'chance' on a younger player. The only thing he admitted to was we chased the game at 14-0 which apparently one should never do v the Nz'ers due to inexperience. Inexperience with a midfield of Wallace and o'driscoll? I fear kidney has learned zilch from the 60-0 inflicted on his team or if he has, he's doing a great job of hiding it.

On the other hand, I thought that BOD was fairly honest in his appraisal of what went wrong which gives some hope that change could come from within the squad. Timw will tell.

[Clubman]

Agree. The words of kidney don't fill one with hope either. No mea culpa on his behalf regarding the conservatism in selection culminating in bringing a veteran off a beach rather than take a 'chance' on a younger player. The only thing he admitted to was we chased the game at 14-0 which apparently one should never do v the Nz'ers due to inexperience. Inexperience with a midfield of Wallace and o'driscoll? I fear kidney has learned zilch from the 60-0 inflicted on his team or if he has, he's doing a great job of hiding it.

On the other hand, I thought that BOD was fairly honest in his appraisal of what went wrong which gives some hope that change could come from within the squad. Timw will tell.

In fairness, BOD was. With all three main provinces now coached by Kiwis and playing pretty much the same style, it's going to be some change if Kidney insists on going back to more of the same - and expecting different results, as you're signature says.