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    Threats against Bryce Lawrence

    In a conversation with the New Zealand Herald on Wednesday, referee Bryce Lawrence said he would not referee in South Africa if he received threats against his person. This follows the outcry in South Africa about his refereeing of the World Cup quarterfinal between Australia and South Africa, a match which he believes cost him an appointment in the 2012 Six Nations.

    Australia beat South Africa 11-9 in the quarterfinal though the Springboks dominated most of the match. They had many opportunities to win the match but did not take them. This defeat and exit from the World Cup led to an outcry against Lawrence's refereeing, especially his refereeing of the tackle where David Pocock of Australia was, almost completely, allowed the freedom of the tackle.

    The criticism of Lawrence in South African circles was loud, at times bordering on hysteria. André Watson, South Africa's refereeing boss, criticised Lawrence. John Smith the Springboks captain said of his retirement from international rugby; "The one positive is that I won't ever have to be reffed by him again." A Facebook campaign entitled "Petition To Stop Bryce Lawrence Ever Reffing A Rugby Game Again" organised a petition to have Lawrence and soon had over 60 000 signatories.

    Appointing Lawrence to referee in South Africa in Super Rugby would appear more imprudent than SANZAR would contemplate, and Lawrence told a reporter of Radiosport in New Zealand that he was aware of the possible danger of refereeing in South Africa where a referee was assaulted and injured while refereeing a Tri-Nations match, the only such incident in 140 years of Test rugby.

    Lawrence said: "I'm not totally concerned. I know a lot of other people like the New Zealand Rugby Union and SANZAR do have some serious concerns. In all honesty I'm not going to go over there if there's any personal threat or I have concerns about my safety because in the end it's a job, I know that, and also it's just a sport and so I'm not going to put myself at risk."

    His problem is his physical safety rather than any problem with South African teams. "I'll referee South African teams in Super Rugby, it may be in Australia or New Zealand that I referee them and I'm sure the criticism will resurface every time I do referee them."

    He is fully aware of the South African reaction and the reaction that that has had for himself: "My quarterfinal performance created a lot of negative reaction in South Africa, pretty hostile, very personal, very harsh. Also on the flip side of that I got a lot of really strong positive support from rugby people in New Zealand and around the world who probably know me a little bit more than the people in South Africa and were feeling for me during that time.

    "It hasn't been the greatest four or six weeks of my life...in all honesty there isn't a day goes by even now that I don't think about what I could have done better and how it's affecting me and what it means for me going forward. It's still very fresh and probably pretty raw really."

    Lawrence has done his own appraisal of his performance in the match and has found his performance to be wanting. "I was disappointed with some aspects in my own performance that day after refereeing four really pretty strong games in pool play. I'm not blaming anyone for the quarterfinal refereeing display apart from myself. I didn't referee as well as I could.

    "I was pretty relaxed going into that game, and Australia/South Africa I have refereed numerous times in the last few years at Tri-Nations level so the game didn't scare me or concern me. I just think I went away from what I'm best at. I'm best when I'm pretty decisive and reasonably technical and tactical - and I just went too much down the tactical side of things where I was really trying to minimise making technical errors.

    "I got criticised heavily and some of that I accept because I know I could have done better."

    The appointments to the Six Nations matches have been made known. Lawrence did not receive an appointment and the statement was made that he was being rested. Lawrence's take on the non-appointment is more direct.

    "Look, there has been some pretty clear consequences from my quarterfinal display. I'm not going to be refereeing Six Nations next year. They can say that means I'm rested but in reality I accept that one of the consequences of my performance is that I'm not going to be doing Six Nations.

    "That's disappointing on a personal level but also something that I probably support. Referees often get criticised and not held accountable - well, I'm clearly being held accountable. I'm not refereeing Six Nations."

    Lawrence did not, of course, demolish South Africa's World Cup chances all on his own. The Springboks contributed to their own demise - two forward passes, twice losing the ball near the Australian line, losing the ball near their own line to set up the Australian try and the conceding a silly penalty for an air tackle in a line-out in full view of the assistant referee. Not kicking goals was also costly. The Wallabies also contributed to the Springbok defeat with a great defensive effort.

    Lawrence was not the only referee to come under fire. The Samoans did not like Nigel Owens of Wales, the Welsh did not like Alain Rolland of Ireland and the French were cross with Craig Joubert of South Africa. But there was nothing to compare with South African anger directed at Bryce Lawrence.

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    Hmmm, maybe he could seek reassurance about real rugby fans from some of the NZ fans who turned on Wayne Barnes?
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    Has Alain Rolland reffed anything since the World cup?

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    Have to say fair play to him for holding his hand up and saying he felt he hadn't done a good enough job of that game. Can't see the likes of James Jones having that level of humility. Lawrence has gone up in my estimation after reading that piece.
    On another note, how shameful for South African rugby that any international official feels he can't just get on with doing his job due to concerns over his personal safety. It really is only a game ffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelly belly View Post
    Has Alain Rolland reffed anything since the World cup?

    He did Bath V Montpellier in the HEC.
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    Lawrence: I was hounded out

    By Oliver Moore
    Wednesday, October 17, 2012
    Referee Bryce Lawrence has lifted the lid on the criticism he endured after taking charge of Ireland’s Rugby World Cup win over Australia last year.
    The New Zealand native announced his retirement from the sport this week citing severe "behind the scenes" pressure as a contributing factor in his decision.

    Lawrence admitted the fallout from his display in South Africa’s defeat to the Wallabies in the tournament’s quarter-final was "absolutely the reason for my career change".

    But the 41-year-old believes that the controversy which followed his handling of Ireland’s historic victory may have impacted on his performance in the last-eight clash.

    "I refereed Australia versus Ireland and Ireland had won but behind the scenes guys like (Australian chief executive) John O’Neill were kicking up a massive stink.

    "I knew a bit about that and it was enough to affect me, and it probably made me freeze on the biggest stage," he told the Bay of Plenty Times.

    Lawrence suffered a nightmare performance in the Wellington clash as the defending world champions, South Africa, lost 11-9 despite enjoying almost 70% of possession.

    The abuse on social media sites became so heated and personal, it was considered too great a risk for him to referee in South Africa again, and so ended his international career.

    He recalled: "It got pretty bad. Not really threats on my family as such, there was a concern, but it was mainly aimed at me through social media. On Facebook they launched a ‘get rid of Bryce Lawrence’ site and it was pretty nasty. They were even from middle-aged women and it has carried on since then. It was disappointing to get them from local people in Tauranga, who I didn’t know. To my credit, I didn’t reply to anyone until one day I relented and replied to a guy from Papamoa, which I regret because he kept egging me on with more stuff. That was absolutely the reason for my career change. I got told at the end of the World Cup I would have a break from test rugby for the Six Nations and I could totally accept that as there has to be a consequence for poor performance. I was told I would be brought back in the middle of this year, as I was ranked in the top three or four referees in the world. But because of the political reaction from rugby unions like Australia and South Africa behind the scenes, they dropped me."
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    Jesus the SH countries really know how to spit dummies!!
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    The irony of ironies is of course that it was Craig Joubert, the South African ref's performance at the WC that was the absolute worst of the tournament & crucially in the final favouring the home side.

    Joubert, the SA ref who reffed the final, completely rode the French and totally ignored the ABs fouls, particularly in the critical last plays of the game. He robbed the French of a deserved win in the WC final on the day in a shameful and spineless refereeing performance.

    p.s. I can't help feeling at this remove that Alain Rolland's correct red carding in the semi, gave Paddy O'Brien the perfect opp to leave him off the WC final ticket. Rolland is no patsy (as the SA guy obviously was) and would have reffed a straight final. This would defintitely not have suited New Zealand and the tournament overall and possibly not the IRB & Paddy O'Brien also. Shame!!

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    Rolland is utter gash Daithi but i agree he would have been better than joubert, mind that wouldnt have been difficult. Theres not many refs that wouldnt do what they are told (if indeed they are told) as they will lose their jobs i suspect. Clearly Lawrence was "under pressure" from some quarters in the SA v AUS game.

    Alun Lewis wasnt a patsy thats for sure and i suspect nigel owens isnt either, theres a few others too
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    It's not so much the refs being told but the actions of their boss. For example a NZer as refs boss openly stating the referee got it wrong throughout a match by not penalising NZ's opposition. It's a disgracefully partial position to take and it makes the message clear. No direct instructions required. I think everyone on the planet knew NZ were meant to win the WC no matter what.
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    I might be a touch cynical, but why is this out now? Is there a book being promoted or something?

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    Look at the rugbydump facebook post of this and see some of the messages being left for him, any wonder he left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrence View Post
    I might be a touch cynical, but why is this out now? Is there a book being promoted or something?
    He announced his retirement this week....
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    BTW be careful about getting on any high horses in relation to this topic... given the feelings quite a few of us have expressed about certain other Referees and the gleeful reactions we've had when they've gotten injured(RP) or fired (JJ).
    I don't remember ever getting particularly wound-up by any of Bryce Lawrence's performances in the past, but anyone can have an off day and I prefer to reserve my criticism for those who've shown poor judgement consistently. I'll vent & roar during a match of course, but I've often spent as much energy defending ref's calls as I have berating them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lahinch_lass View Post
    BTW be careful about getting on any high horses in relation to this topic... given the feelings quite a few of us have expressed about certain other Referees and the gleeful reactions we've had when they've gotten injured(RP) or fired (JJ).
    I don't remember ever getting particularly wound-up by any of Bryce Lawrence's performances in the past, but anyone can have an off day and I prefer to reserve my criticism for those who've shown poor judgement consistently. I'll vent & roar during a match of course, but I've often spent as much energy defending ref's calls as I have berating them.
    A very thoughtful post lahinch-lass.
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    Some referees, as with some people, deserve some to most of the abuse they get because they bring it on themselves. Poite, for example, talks with an utter show of disrespect to some players - not acceptable. Others don't. They make mistakes, get abuse, then people tend to move on and praise their good days. However, for some reason, SH seems to be moving more and more towards soccer attitude to officials, i.e. disrespect and treat with contempt. It is a worrying trend that I actually think was encouraged by the behaviour of the last refs chief. Hopefully his successor will show more impartiality and more willingness to speak out when a ref gets it right.
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