21 off the first 3 overs and KP goes and chips one to mid on. Should fizzle out now, pity.
21 off the first 3 overs and KP goes and chips one to mid on. Should fizzle out now, pity.
Governments don't ask themselves "what can we do that is good for the people?". They ask themselves "how do we persuade people that what we want to do is good for them?".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19177019
Fast bowler Boyd Rankin is to end his Ireland career in the hope of earning a Test call-up for England...
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
A big loss for the Irish team although I think he might be wasting his time in terms of the England Test team with the likes of Finn and Broad in front of him.Originally Posted by taz
I agree, I can't see him getting his chance as there are bowlers his own age already involved as back ups and in fairness to the English set up, they usually give young bowlers a chance regularly.
I wonder was it a County v Country thing, he hasn't played a lot of cricket for his age.
It was. Rankin had returned to Warwickshire with a stress fracture at the start of this season after playing for Ireland and England A during the winter. His unavailability annoyed his employers and Ashley Giles, Warwickshire team coach (and England selector) effectively told him to quit playing for Ireland or start looking for a new county.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmin...7319-30970663/
i don't get it..... i'd have at least 6 or 7 english fast bowlers ahead of him for a test and ODI england spot. and most of them are younger than him.
if warwickshire were pissed off with him playing for ireland, why did they sign him less than 2 years ago, when he was already an established international cricketer?
if it's because of playing for ireland and england A, then he's an idiot to think england A will become england. or badly advised.
Ireland's international activities have increased exponentially in the past 2 seasons. For example, before he turned 20 (three weeks ago), George Dockrell had earned 69 full Irish caps.
yet somerset were happy to sign him.
since rankin joined warwickshire from derbyshire, warwickshire have been so pissed off with his lack of availability that they have also gone out and signed his country captain from gloucestershire. porterfield picks and chooses when to play for ireland, just like dockrell does. their county contracts reflect this on/off availability.
rankin's head has been turned by england A. england A is designed purely to provide full test/ODI internationals for england. why doesn't he give up england A duties? because he thinks he can play for england. i think he's way off in terms of the quality needed and in terms of his place in the pecking order.
Agree with a lot of what you are saying hellovating but the big difference is Dockrell is a spinner and will benefit from bowling as many overs as he can get whereas Rankin is a massive great fast bowler who needs to have his overs managed. Push could well come to shove in a couple of years when England come after Dockrell as Swann's long term replacement because he is comfortably the best young spinner playing in England and is probably third out of all the spinners behind 'the cat rescuer' and Monty.
Rankin is gangly and lean who gets injured a bit too easily, stopping long travel and keeping a closer eye day to day on his health may give him a better quality of life and longer career in the County set up with an outside sniff of a Test cap, it is a gamble he sees worth taking.
if rankin would simply prefer to play more for warwickshire than continue playing for ireland, then he can start this september during the T20 world cup.
He's our best T20 quickie, plus he has an Ireland contract until December 2012 which he intends to honour. So if Big Phil and the other Irish selectors think that he's worthy of selection, then they should pick him for the T20 WC.
Simple as that, I couldn't disagree with Hellovating more. He is not quitting for 30 pieces.
look, i was being slightly contrary in suggesting he shouldn't be selected, but if Ireland is at the bottom of his priorities, there is an argument that he is having his cake and eating it. there will be another 2 or 3 world cups he'll miss out on. i wonder will he have a re-think about them, once this England Lions nonsense stop.
I understand what you were saying but until we get Test status there is a ceiling for players in similar circumstances, even if in this case his goals may be unrealistic, he at least publically is striving to reach the top. True, it may be a matter of convenience to save himself from Stephen Ireland type comparisons, he gave and will continue for the 20/20 WC to give his best, after that I bid a fond farewell.
yeah, fair enough. i guess i'm just sick of losing players.
wait til it's Dockrell..... I may have a breakdown of some sorts.
But it's wrong to deprive good Irish players of the opportunity to compete at the top level. And we can't apply for test status until we have a domestic league that plays 4 day games - that's the ICC requirement. That doesn't seem to be a runner in the short to medium term, so we're doomed to be a feeder for the English Test Team for the forseeable future.
i honestly had no problem with Joyce and Morgan defecting, for the reason highlighted above in bold..... because I thought both had a genuine chance of making the England test team. Rankin, at the age of 28 and with the English fast bowling pickings never before in such good health, surely does not.
The plans are already in place for a domestic First Class structure.
Good old Boyd with his 10-ball overs. England probably has the second best pace attack in the world right now, how he thinks he has any chance of making it within an asses roar of that test team is beyond me. Must admire the ambition I suppose.
Governments don't ask themselves "what can we do that is good for the people?". They ask themselves "how do we persuade people that what we want to do is good for them?".
For the information of any other sad insomniacs out there - live coverage of the England V Australia U19s ICC World Cup match will start on Sky Sports 1 in 10 minutes (00.30).
Ireland will play England in 24 hours' time - I'm not sure whether Sky are covering it.
Sad to report, we've already lost heavily in both of our 2 warm up games.
UPDATE - England were stuffed by the Aussies - can Ireland put the boot in tonight?
Last edited by Old Dog; 11th-August-2012 at 10:41.
Just a follow-up on the Rankin discussion:-
"Niall O’Brien got a call recently from a county coach enquiring about his availability for 2013. ”Are you still playing for Ireland?” he was asked. When he replied yes, the coach made his excuses and hung-up."
More here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19229566
Pietersen stays
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19232767
Pietersen goes...
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Amazing decision. It's Strauss's hundredth test and they probably didn't want KP to steal the thunder.
Good news for relegation-threatened Surrey - if KP can be arsed to play for them.
But it's a bummer for Yorks, seeing as Johnny Bairstow has been called in to replace KP.
I really hope that the Saffies stuff Team Flower at Lords.
Last edited by Old Dog; 12th-August-2012 at 14:13.
Can guarantee that KP will not be playing for Surrey, he would consider it below him I am sure. I think sending text messages to your opponents undermining your team mates is grounds enough to being sent packing. This test will be a draw as Lords has turned into the most boring pitch on earth, the new St John's Antigua. I think SA are the better team although I do wonder whether it would now be one each if Swann had played in OD's beloved Yorkshire.
Why o why did BBC radio 5 leave Piers Morgan on the radio.He was on the Tuffers+Vaughan show this evening. He claimed to have outed the guy who was the fake KP on Twitter,he claims the chap is really good friends with Stuart Broad. "Bailsthebadger" is the twitter chap who has owned up to it all.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
Piers Morgan should only be heading in one direction, the dock and thereafter prison.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-...ry/577333.html
Piers Morgan, the former British tabloid editor turned chatshow host, has escalated the conflict between Kevin Pietersen and the England team and officials by alleging that two of his team-mates are linked to the parody Twitter account that Pietersen found so offensive.The allegations involve two Nottinghamshire players - Stuart Broad, England's Twenty20 captain, and Alex Hales, who took his place at the top of the order in England's T20 side after Pietersen's stand-off with the ECB had led to his enforced retirement from one-day cricket.
The dispute drags on while Pietersen and his advisers pursue negotiations with the ECB in what seems to be an increasingly forlorn hope that he will win a reprieve and be named in England's squad for World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka month when it is announced by Saturday's deadline.
Morgan, a close friend of Pietersen, took to Twitter, where the debate is raging, to accuse the ECB of "double standards" in lecturing the player about the overriding need for team unity while overlooking a lack of team unity elsewhere, in the shape of personal hostility towards Pietersen from some of his team-mates.
What was intended to support Pietersen's contention to ECB officials in ongoing private discussions that he is the victim, not the problem, in the England dressing room, could prove to be counterproductive as the ECB concludes that emotions are running too high to risk naming Pietersen in their World Twenty20 party.
An increasingly fantastical affair has also caused the originator of the Pietersen parody account, Richard Bailey, a 20-something scientist from Nottingham who tweets personally under @Bailsthebadger, to apologise for the offence he has caused and insist that no England players were involved.
ESPNcricinfo's investigations last week had found no evidence that any England player had been actively involved in Baileys' account and passed on all information gathered to senior officials of the ECB.
Indeed, in Broad's case, the evidence is purely circumstantial and Bailey, not a close friend of the England captain but who shares a house with two other Nottinghamshire players, is now deeply embarrassed by an outcome he could barely have imagined.
Morgan's accusation relies upon the fact that Hales was the first follower of the Pietersen parody account. Claims that Broad was involved seem to rest upon a tweet he sent on the same evening that the account was opened saying that he had lent Bailey a pair of socks, therefore putting him in the same place, if not necessarily in the know.
"Put a sock in it," was the tacit response last night of one former England coach, David Lloyd, who used Twitter to argue that it was time to move on as the ECB attempted to stop the affair running out of control.
Pietersen's England future is in the balance after England refused to pick him for the Lord's Test against South Africa despite him appearing a video in which he made himself available for all forms of cricket and publicly apologising for mistakes he may have made.
The ECB, in the person of England managing director Hugh Morris, refused to accept the apology because Pietersen had not explained "derogatory" text messages about members of the England dressing room that he had allegedly sent to South Africa players after the Headingley Test.
Nottinghamshire have a long history of antagonism towards Pietersen. He left the county after his kit was famously thrown off the dressing room balcony at Tent Bridge and the views of many involved at the time - Broad and Hales were not at the county - have not noticeably softened in the meantime.
A third England and Nottinghamshire player, Graeme Swann, was also dismissive of Pietersen's captaincy skills in his autobiography, and his relationship with Pietersen is strained. Pietersen suspected Swann of being behind the account but there is no evidence to support Pietersen's belief that Swann is in anyway involved with this latest brouhaha.
Otaga Daily Times 2/5/2012
Taz-Where did you get that information as I have seen nowhere that he(Penney) was ruled out?
Editor - The writer stands by the Penney information.
Otaga Daily Times 3/5/2012
Editor-- This article originally said Rob Penney had missed out on the Munster coaching job. That information was incorrect.
I think the kids speak is LOL!!! Pietersen is a tool but I do have a feeling there is a bit of the Chavin Henson's about him in that he is phenomenally stupid and is appallingly adviced. Had a good chat with his father in law in the local, watching the Orcs play the Saffers back in June, KP is married to a girl originally from somerset, and he led me to believe he is very misunderstood (and his Father in law is a nice enough fella) but having Piers Moron as your cheerleader would not be great PR!!!!!!
Strauss is about to pronounce on KP on Sky Sports in a moment. I anticipate 100% blandness.
(Who are the Orcs? For me, they're Lancs or Surrey!)
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