Despite being an IRFU project player, Borlase, will be lucky to get hiss place in Munstermatchdaysquadsnext season, if his stints from this past season are anything to go by.
Ricardt Strauss is an entirelydifferent story. His eligibilty date issoon approaching and he's been very impressive for the ladys.
Ive got mixed feelings on the subject. What are posters views onproject players (in this case, Strauss)representing Ireland?
Yeah thats a fair point, Strauss was an excellent signing for
Munster and for Ireland. We need Props for Munster and
Ireland so hopefully Borlase can progress this season.
For Leinster?Originally Posted by Cecil
I hate the idea of these project players. I want Irish people, or people who've grown up in Ireland at least, to represent us. Not some blow in who just wasn't good enough for his own country. Don't care if they're still better than what we have.
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Agree completely. I like the Project Players strengthening the provinces but I don't want them playing for Ireland. We've never had so much depth in Irish rugby anyway so why do we need these guys?
No, no, Cecil is correct. Strauss has just signed on the dotted line and Munster now have 6 hookers for next season. Any more and we can open a brothel...
BTW, Borlase is very Oirish, insofar as he is a prop who cannot scrummage.
Sorry obviously meant Leinster.
I think its a bit premature to say that he can't scrummage.
Don't forget that it wasn't too long ago when Munster
thought that a certain Mike Ross couldn't scrummage
either. Borlase would have gotten more Super 14 caps
only for he was behind the Franks Brothers.
@Cecil
Ross was always a good scrummager. Unfortunately, DK felt he was not active enough in the loose, and thus he tried to convert Buckley into aTH, whichdidn't work out that well...
I completely agree. But with nearly every other major rugby country doing it why shouldn't we
Richardt Strauss. My bestest most favourite Leinster player in the whole wide world. As long as he keeps that traitor Cronin warming the bench, that is.
Unrepentant Langer
I couldn't have said that he was a good scrummager at the
time as I didn't see him play with Munster but I take your
point.
Twas Kidney who sent Cronin to Leinster. Hopefully Sherry
will prove Kidney right.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Twas Kidney who sent Cronin to Leinster. Hopefully Sherry
will prove Kidney right.
Where did you see that, Joey? It was my understanding that both Leinster and Munster approached Cronin and he chose them? Strauss , Cronin and Sherry are all not that far apart in age ( and Best not too much older) ,Flanner and Varley are getting on, why did Kidney want him to go there, and how do you know?
Unrepentant Langer
Generally, I'd say I'm against. I'd rather we never won another 6 nations than ended up with the sort of squad composition that England have.
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Obviously, I would love if Borlase proves me wrong.However, if you've seen him scrummage for Munster thenyou know this is very unlikely. All this talk about "jet-lag" and "needing to acclimatise" is risible. A prop doesn't cross the equator and forget how to scrummage.
Unfortuantely, we appear to have spent a lot of money acquiring Buckley's antipodean doppelganger.
Sean was offered terms by Munster , Leinster and Connacht. Both Munsters and Leinsters were the same , Sean was then told it was up to him where he wanted to go... Sean made the decision , nobody else.
Traitor!! That's a bit harsh and hypocritical considering Leinster wanted
Felix Jones to stay.
Have the rules changed regarding residency? And if so, when? Actually with Strauss, think the fella has commited to Ireland at a relativelyyoung age and even if the Saffers came calling he would turn them down. This whole issue has got to be sorted out but given it suits the rest of the rugby world very well as it is, Matawira in SA, Pocock in Aus, the multitude of islanders in NZ and nearly the entire English team can't see stricter rules being bought in any time soon so I suppose what's good for the goose has to be good for the gander; while it makes me uncomfortable, the only man who will keep Strauss out of the Irish side once he qualifies will be Jerry Flannery. By the time we get to the AIs in 2012 I would be confident that Irelands first choice hooker will be Sherry so won't be an issue.
Oddly enough, just looking at the Munster squad on wiki,
which I assume was updated by Munster, is Borlase already
Irish qualified? I understood that he wasn't but it's a strange
oversight to make to list him as Irish if it is Munster editing
that page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munster...laying_Squad_2
011.2F2012
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
It's not an ideal situation relying on ''naturalised'' players
I'll give you that - but if we don't start cheating for want of
a better word in this manner as most other countries do - a
time will come when we are left behind. NZ the perfect
example - rugby's answer to the Aryan race + half their
players are from the Pacific Islands. It's part of the game
at the highest level + at this stage it's climb on board or
get left behind IMO.
Most of the "Island" players were born and bred in NZ.It's not an ideal situation relying on ''naturalised'' players
I'll give you that - but if we don't start cheating for want of
a better word in this manner as most other countries do - a
time will come when we are left behind. NZ the perfect
example - rugby's answer to the Aryan race + half their
players are from the Pacific Islands. It's part of the game
at the highest level + at this stage it's climb on board or
get left behind IMO.
Even a good number of the "Island" players in the next
RWC for Samoa, Tonga and Fiji will have been born and
bred in NZ. The poaching myth is something that gained
ground with little enough proof.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Good point, I've played with 5 Samoan internationals, all of them born and raised in NZ.Most of the "Island" players were born and bred in NZ.It's not an ideal situation relying on ''naturalised'' players
I'll give you that - but if we don't start cheating for want of
a better word in this manner as most other countries do - a
time will come when we are left behind. NZ the perfect
example - rugby's answer to the Aryan race + half their
players are from the Pacific Islands. It's part of the game
at the highest level + at this stage it's climb on board or
get left behind IMO.
Even a good number of the "Island" players in the next
RWC for Samoa, Tonga and Fiji will have been born and
bred in NZ. The poaching myth is something that gained
ground with little enough proof.
Well go beyond NZ then - Aus have one or two naturalised
players as do South Africa - that's not taking France, England,
Italy, Argentina into account who do or have done used these
players in the past and will do in the future.
The one that gets me is Jared Payne. Now on the one hand I'm delighted he'll be coming to Ulster next season, he'll add a lot of class and experience to our young backline. However as things stand if he gets called up by the ABs in the summer he'll go off and get capped by then and that's fine...if he doesn't get capped in the summer he'll be eligible to play for Ireland in three years time. I just don't think that's right. We've enough of our own homegrown talent without going down this route.
We don't need Strauss we have Flannery, Best, Cronin and Sherry
We don't need Payne, in three years time we'll have Earls, McFadden, Bowe, Fitzgerald, Kearney, Trimble, Jonesand several talented younger lads like Gilroy and Conway as well.
The IRB should tighten the rules up a bit, for a start if a player has represented a country at U20 level then that should tie them down. I'm sure the vast majority of international players will play U20 rugby so that could solve the problem in an instant.They should also extend the residency period to five years, that way a player can't just decide at 24 or 25 to "change" countries.
I also was under the impression Borlase was not Irish qualified unless he has suddenly managed to find an Irish grandparent ala Fluelty and Waldrom both finding english grandparents when needed. The thing with wiki is that anyone can edit it.
True, but why would anyone be bothered to edit it? UsuallyI also was under the impression
Borlase was not Irish qualified unless he has suddenly
managed to find an Irish grandparent ala Fluelty and
Waldrom both finding english grandparents when needed.
The thing with wiki is that anyone can edit it.
I'd put it down to a typo on whoever updated the page but
seeing as Waldrom seemingly didn't realise he was English
qualified until a year after he arrived, I wonder could
something similar have happened in this instance?
I've no idea how eligibility wouldn't be sorted out at the
earliest stages of a contract but if Leicester could overlook
it anyone could.
It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.
Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win
Back on topic - Strauss should be no where near our Irish team.
I'd rather lose with our own side than win with a pick and mix side.
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"I talked about it with the Toulouse players, my final in 2006 and theirs in 2008 against Munster. I was marking Paul O'Connell and they were man-marking him too. We knew he was going to jump. But I remember I was in really good condition, with a good lift, but every time I just missed it."
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It would be good if a similar thing has happened then Munster could go to the irfu and claim another 'project player' as so far Borlase has not proved to be value for money, tho i am hopeful this season coming he will prove me wrong as the few clips I have seen of him from the NPC he looked to be a good scrummager.
You are right if leicester could manage to overlook an english grandparent then Munster can definitely mange to overlook it.
He'll walk in when he's elligible. Based on last season anyway.
Sherry could be next best unless Cronin's throwing improves.
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