Thanks for the welcome Mr Chips. The belt really is a measure of success.
Thanks for the welcome Mr Chips. The belt really is a measure of success.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
Hadn't done any back squats for a while, but got a set done today. This time it was interspersed with other rounds of the workout, but again I was doing 2 rounds of the other bits while everyone else not doing the strength programme was doing 3 rounds or more. Started sets of 5 reps at 70kg, worked up to 85kg where I had to do as many as I felt I could - managed 8 reps and decided that it mightn't be wise to go for the ninth! I found that standing with my feet a little further apart than I usually do made big difference - at 78 kg I was struggling to finish the five reps, but with the feet a bit wider I was choosing not to continue, rather than feeling unable to do any more.
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The programme has a "light" week in store for me now, so the rounds of back squats today were included as part of the overall workout (which also included doing handstands against the wall and chin lifts). Finished up with 12 reps at 65kg for the third and final round of squats. Last week was a bit heavier going, especially with the shoulder press where I struggled to lift 65 for the fourth rep. Can't remember what I benched, but that night mrs chips pointed out that I had a long straight bruise on the back of each shoulder, courtesy of the edges of the weights bench!
Last week's sessions also contained another "agricultural" workout, where we were carrying sandbags on one shoulder around the car park, flipping tractor tyres as well as jumping in & out of them, walloping another huge tyre with the sledgehammer, etc. All good fun.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
big weekend on the beer and Im 2.5kilos heavier than I was on friday, FFS just goes to show how big a problem drink is and I didn't eat much more than normal just a heap of pints, thats 3 weeks of a training weigh lost that is on board again
Its unbelievable how much weight you shift by not drinking.
I lost 10kg directly and indirectly from cutting down on the beer.
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I know Balla Boy and it as great kick in the arse to keep up the hard work, Thankfully I don't drink regularly but when I do, Lets say I have a nice few.
Spinning is mighty , defo notice a difference after a few weeks and the scenery in the class makes it that bit easier too.
Why our food is making us fat
We are, on average, 3st heavier than we were in the 60s. And not because we're eating more or exercising less – we just unwittingly became sugar addicts
Jacques Peretti, guardian.co.uk, 11th June 2012
Up a rickety staircase at the Newarke Houses Museum in Leicester, England hangs a portrait of Britain's first obese man, painted in 1806. Daniel Lambert weighed 53st (335kg) and was considered a medical oddity. Too heavy to work, Lambert came up with an ingenious idea: he would charge people a shilling to see him. Lambert made a fortune, and his portrait shows him at the end of his life: affluent and respected – a celebrated son of Leicester.
Two hundred years on, I'm in a bariatric ambulance (an alternative term for obese, favoured by the medical world because it's less shaming to patients) investigating why the UK is in the midst of an obesity crisis. The crew pick up a dozen Daniel Lamberts every week. Fifty-three stone is nothing special, it's at the lower end of the weight spectrum, with only the 80st patients worthy of mention when a shift finishes. The specially designed ambulance carries an array of bariatric gizmos including a "spatula" to help with people who have fallen out of bed or, on a recent occasion, an obese man jammed between the two walls in his hallway. As well as the ambulance, there's a convoy of support vehicles including a winch to lift patients onto a reinforced stretcher. In extreme cases, the cost of removing a patient to hospital can be up to £100,000, as seen in the recent case of 63st teenager Georgia Davis.
But these people are not where the heartland of the obesity crisis lies. On average, in the UK, we are all – every man, woman and child – three stone heavier than we were in the mid-60s. We haven't noticed it happening, but this glacial shift has been mapped by bigger car seats, swimming cubicles, XL trousers dropped to L (L dropped to M). An elasticated nation with an ever-expanding sense of normality.
Why are we so fat? We have not become greedier as a race. We are not, contrary to popular wisdom, less active – a 12-year study, which began in 2000 at Plymouth hospital, measured children's physical activity and found it the same as 50 years ago. But something has changed: and that something is very simple. It's the food we eat. More specifically, the sheer amount of sugar in that food, sugar we're often unaware of.
The story begins in 1971. Richard Nixon was facing re-election. The Vietnam war was threatening his popularity at home, but just as big an issue with voters was the soaring cost of food. If Nixon was to survive, he needed food prices to go down, and that required getting a very powerful lobby on board – the farmers. Nixon appointed Earl Butz, an academic from the farming heartland of Indiana, to broker a compromise. Butz, an agriculture expert, had a radical plan that would transform the food we eat, and in doing so, the shape of the human race.
Butz pushed farmers into a new, industrial scale of production, and into farming one crop in particular: corn. US cattle were fattened by the immense increases in corn production. Burgers became bigger. Fries, fried in corn oil, became fattier. Corn became the engine for the massive surge in the quantities of cheaper food being supplied to American supermarkets: everything from cereals, to biscuits and flour found new uses for corn. As a result of Butz's free-market reforms, American farmers, almost overnight, went from parochial small-holders to multimillionaire businessmen with a global market. One Indiana farmer believes that America could have won the cold war by simply starving the Russians of corn. But instead they chose to make money.
By the mid-70s, there was a surplus of corn. Butz flew to Japan to look into a scientific innovation that would change everything: the mass development of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), or glucose-fructose syrup as it's often referred to in the UK, a highly sweet, gloppy syrup, produced from surplus corn, that was also incredibly cheap. HFCS had been discovered in the 50s, but it was only in the 70s that a process had been found to harness it for mass production. HFCS was soon pumped into every conceivable food: pizzas, coleslaw, meat. It provided that "just baked" sheen on bread and cakes, made everything sweeter, and extended shelf life from days to years. A silent revolution of the amount of sugar that was going into our bodies was taking place. In Britain, the food on our plates became pure science – each processed milligram tweaked and sweetened for maximum palatability. And the general public were clueless that these changes were taking place.
There was one product in particular that it had a dramatic effect on – soft drinks. Hank Cardello, the former head of marketing at Coca-Cola, tells me that in 1984, Coke in the US swapped from sugar to HFCS (In the UK, it continued to use sugar). As a market leader, Coke's decision sent a message of endorsement to the rest of the industry, which quickly followed suit. There was "no downside" to HFCS, Cardello says. It was two-thirds the price of sugar, and even the risk of messing with the taste was a risk worth taking when you looked at the margin, especially as there were no apparent health risks. At that time, "obesity wasn't even on the radar" says Cardello.
But another health issue was on the radar: heart disease, and in the mid-70s, a fierce debate was raging behind the closed doors of academia over what was causing it. An American nutritionist called Ancel Keys blamed fat, while a British researcher at the University of London Professor John Yudkin, blamed sugar. But Yudkin's work was rubbished by what many believe, including Professor Robert Lustig, one of the world's leading endocrinologists, was a concerted campaign to discredit Yudkin. Much of the criticism came from fellow academics, whose research was aligning far more closely with the direction the food industry was intending to take. Yudkin's colleague at the time, Dr Richard Bruckdorfer at UCL says: "There was a huge lobby from [the food] industry, particularly from the sugar industry, and Yudkin complained bitterly that they were subverting some of his ideas." Yudkin was, Lustig says simply, "thrown under the bus", because there was a huge financial gain to be made by fingering fat, not sugar, as the culprit of heart disease.
The food industry had its eyes on the creation of a new genre of food, something they knew the public would embrace with huge enthusiasm, believing it to be better for their health – "low fat". It promised an immense business opportunity forged from the potential disaster of heart disease. But, says Lustig, there was a problem. "When you take the fat out of a recipe, food tastes like cardboard, and you need to replace it with something – that something being sugar."
Overnight, new products arrived on the shelves that seemed too good to be true. Low-fat yoghurts, spreads, even desserts and biscuits. All with the fat taken out, and replaced with sugar. Britain was one of the most enthusiastic adopters of what food writer Gary Taubes, author of Why We Get Fat, calls "the low-fat dogma", with sales rocketing.
By the mid-80s, health experts such as Professor Philip James, a world-renowned British scientist who was one of the first to identify obesity as an issue, were noticing that people were getting fatter and no one could explain why. The food industry was keen to point out that individuals must be responsible for their own calorie consumption, but even those who exercised and ate low-fat products were gaining weight. In 1966 the proportion of people with a BMI of over 30 (classified as obese) was just 1.2% for men and 1.8% for women. By 1989 the figures had risen to 10.6% for men and 14.0% for women. And no one was joining the dots between HFCS and fat.
Moreover, there was something else going on. The more sugar we ate, the more we wanted, and the hungrier we became. At New York University, Professor Anthony Sclafani, a nutritionist studying appetite and weight gain, noticed something strange about his lab rats. When they ate rat food, they put on weight normally. But when they ate processed food from a supermarket, they ballooned in a matter of days. Their appetite for sugary foods was insatiable: they just carried on eating.
Continued - http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-making-us-fat
Found a diet online intended for birds who need to fit into a dress. Claims you can lose lbs in 2 days. Began it yesterday , scrambled eggs with feta cheese and cayenne pepper for brekkie , no butter or milk, washed down with copious amounts of black tea. Snacks throughout the day of plums, mandarins, pears and unsalted cashew nuts.Lunch spicy prawn salad. Dinner salmon darne and roasted veg liberally sprinkled with cayenne pepper and habanero tobassco sauce. Weigh in this morning down 4 lbs.
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Are you a bird trying to fit into a dress Mack?!?
Thanks for posting article LD, sugar addiction is well and truly alive...
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Are you chatting me up John ? Down 8 lbs this morning.
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How's everyone getting on? I missed a few sessions during my travels in July/August, meaning I had a few weeks where I got one or two workouts, then was away a few days, then another couple of sessions, then a week off etc. Not great for consistency, nor for continuing to reduce the waistline, but I'm now back to "full contact", as it were. The workout on Friday just past was a bit of a killer - 30 timed ground-to-overhead lifts in a row (for myself and two other lads, it was a 45kg bar) during which you were not allowed to let go of the bar at all. Did it in 5 minutes 31 seconds, with a bit of wheezing and spluttering before the final three! Plus four laps of the car park and as close to 50 "wall-ball" reps as you could get - I managed 20 and decided I'd had enough.![]()
I also had my first go on the gymnastics rings (or whatever you call them) last week. Managed to get myself upside down and vertical on the first attempt - I was pleased enough about that, as prior to attempting it I was a bit concerned about falling & breaking my neck! Then I managed a controlled 360 on Monday, where I hoisted myself upside down, hung vertical for a bit then brought my legs down through slowly till I was more like an L shape, then on down till I was able to drop to my feet. Looking forward to doing more of that ...
As for the strength programme, today was deadlifts preceded by the usual warmup and two laps of the car park, with two sets of 5x 50kg to warm up, then for me it was 5 reps each of 68kg/78kg/90kg and 10 reps of 95kg. Felt like I could have lifted a bit more tbh, but am sticking to the programme. This was followed by a short 5 minute workout with bench situps, bike and wall ball. Did the shoulder press yesterday, similar graduated build-up but finishing with just 5x 50kg, and back squats on Monday at 5x 85kg. Bench still to come!
Must admit I'm slightly annoyed that while I'm still getting comments along the lines of "you've lost weight" from people who last saw me at the start of the summer, I'm still hovering around 17 stone, which I've been at since early spring. Sorta thought that extra workouts etc would have have brought me down to 16.5 or so by now, at least. Might have to revisit my eating habits again!
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
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I slipped over past 8+ months, have put back 1.5 stone of the 4 I had lost by 18 months ago. Looking to lose a stone of that and back to the old practices but in a sense I'm glad because this proves I must have improved, a couple of years ago I could see all 4 going back on. My attitude to food is different now and I know how to handle this and that I need to handle it.
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Stick through it Chips, you'll hit plateaus in training for every facet of fitness, after a few weeks you may notice a sudden drop in weight even though your training/diet hasn't really dropped at all. Not sure why it happens to be honest, but it just does. You've also been training for a while now so progress will harder to come by.
Additionally, you may have gained muscle in the place of the lost fat which results in the scales staying the same but being much healthier(as evidenced by the comments you're getting)
Last edited by Kevy-Wevz; 6th-September-2012 at 11:19.
Cheers KW. I'm not "on a diet" as such, but have been making more of an effort over the 10-11 months or so to eat more healthily. Of course, when you go away on trips and break your routine, it's easier to just eat what's handy as opposed to what's healthy. Plus until the summer I had almost eliminated meat from my diet, only having meat or fish once or twice a week - that completely went to pot through July & August, so I'll have to wean myself back off it a bit.
Today's session was my fourth in four days. Nothing particularly unusual or spectacular - sit ups, box jumps, kettle bell, pushups, a run and some deadlifts up to 70kg, then benched 68 kg and didn't feel in any way discombobulated.However a pal was doing ground-to-overhead cleans with a 95kg bar, and after coming off the bench press I thought I'd try a single lift. The deadlift phase was ok, but I messed up the "clean" phase from thighs to shoulders and bent my back backwards - could have been a nasty injury which would have been entirely my own fault. I guess that when it comes to the heavier weights it's like deciding whether to overtake on the road - if in doubt, don't!
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
Limerick Gym Monkeys!!
Has anyone used the Beefit gym in Delta retail park? is it any good? Thinking of joining, mainly for the spinning classes, but might have a crack at weightlifting for the first time......
Any advice or opinions greatly appreciated
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chips - There's a definite point in any new programme of exercise where you will be toning up & developing muscle while losing fat. That can actually lead to seeing your weight increase or as you've seen minimal weight loss, this simply due to the fact that muscle is denser than fat. You should be noticing a difference in how your clothes fit even if you're not seeing a difference on the weighing scales. Also the pattern of what you eat & when in relation to your exercise sessions can affect the weight loss pattern.
There's also a case for your body getting accustomed to the exercise if you're doing the same type of workout all the time. You do seem to be doing a decent mix though.
I know in college I was doing volleyball, circuit training & water safety .. never lost an ounce doing them. but after college when I trained with the local swim club I lost ~1.5st and I wasn't overly heavy to start with. for me swimming was the one that knocked the weight off. Others I knew who'd been in swim clubs since they were kids found that walking/jogging was the activity that worked for them when trying to loose weight.
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Thanks LL. I have toyed with the idea of taking up swimming again at some stage, as I heard that the local pool is changing/has changed over to using ozone instead of chlorine for keeping the water clean. I gave up swimming years ago as it used to take a couple of days for the burning sensation to leave my eyes, and for the chlorine smell to be completely eradicated no matter how thoroughly I scrubbed! If it's true about the ozone then I might reconsider, although the cost is a bit high these days. Cycling might be cheaper long-term (and handier), but I'd have to work out what I should get as bikes have moved on a bit since the last time I had one 20 years ago!
I'm into my second week of five-in-a-row, but won't be able to get today's workout till this evening - prefer mornings as I don't have to think about what & how I eat ahead of the session. I find if I've eaten anything solid in the 2-3 hours before a workout I end up with a stitch or just less effective/capable, so a handful of grapes or cherries etc is all I usually have for breakfast before a morning session. It's not so handy getting through the whole day on that!
We had an unusual exercise earlier this week where you lie down flat then sit & stand up, but keeping a dumbbell in one hand, fully extended above your head at all times, repeating 15 times. Found it quite awkward/irritating tbh, so it joins burpees and skipping on my "nope" list. Gonna have a go at improving my technique for pull-ups though.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
Chips, sounds like you have been doing a hell of a lot of training... How big were you...? and how big are you now..?. it´s probably back a few pages, but that sounds like exercise to me....
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Chips, the weight loss/gain comes simply down to calorie intake. I take on board some of LL's points but in general it doesn't matter what exercise you're doing as long as it's of a good intensity. Your body won't get used to it, look at pro athletes they do the same thing day in day out and they maintain great conditioning.
Also, you may well have gained a few lbs of muscle but it's nowhere near as much as people think. With a STRICT weightlifting routine if you gained 8lbs of muscle in a year you're doing well. You may gain more then that in your first year if you're lucky.
I'm in a similar position to you with my weight, I've been lifting consistently for over 4 months now and my body shape has changed for sure but my weight hasn't come down much at all. And the reason? I haven't been strict enough with my diet. And I probably haven't done enough cardio either. But if you look at any of the pro's advice on this topic, most of them will say it's 75% diet and 25% training.
Multiply your weight in lbs by 14-16 (depending on whether you think you have a fast or slow metabolism) and this is your maintenance level of calories. Drop to 500 below this for consistent weight loss.
So lets say you're 200lbs and you have a reasonably decent metabolism, and you train 3 times a week. I would multiply your weight x 15 = 3,000 calories/day. This is your maintenance level so if you want to lose weight you would need to drop to 2,500 calories/day. It takes a 3,500 calorie deficit to lose 1lb, so 500 per day should be 1lb per week.
Then you need to figure out the amount of protein, carbs, fat per day you need. Again the "experts" would recommend somewhere around 40/40/20 for Carbs/Protein/Fats if you have a regular exercise routine. You can up the carbs and lower the protein a little if you want but this is a decent guideline.
I could go into more detail but most people don't take it that seriously (incl myself) so I won't. The last thing to remember is there is 4 calories per gram in carbs and proteins, 9 calories per gram of fat and 7 calories per gram of alcohol. Finally, if you have to "guesstimate" the amount of calories in something you can be fairly sure the diet won't work as well as it should.
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I was 5'10" when I started and I'm still 5'10" now ....
I started off last year around Halloween with a change in the diet to reduce the amount of meat I eat. I was pushing 18 stone then, probably 17st 12lb or thereabouts. Took up the exercise routine a few weeks before Christmas, doing a couple of sessions a week, but didn't really get stuck in until the holiday season was over. I started doing three sessions a week some time after Easter and moved to four/five just recently. I was down to about 16st 12lb at one stage in the late spring/early summer, but started a strength programme (Wendler) as an add-on to each workout back around late May/early June, which I am blaming for having gone back up to a shade over 17 stone(17st 1lb as of today). However I usually close my belt on the third- or fourth-last notch now, as opposed to the very last one.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
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Sorry John, didn't see your post. That's a useful-looking rule of thumb for the calorie intake, but tbh for now my main aim isn't to lose a significant amount of weight, it's more that I'm doing this for overall health/fitness and ordinary physical capability so I can still look after myself when I'm older and not be at risk of diabetes etc. I'm not the sort of person who would set a target and say "I want to weigh X by such & such date" - the only way I'll see the likes of 13 stone again is if I have a limb amputated! I'd be happy enough to eventually start heading towards 16 stone and staying around that.
For me it's more important that when I started out, I was only able to run half a lap of the car park as a warm-up before getting out of puff and walking the rest of the way, whereas now I run two full laps (only 250-300m or so) and go straight in to start e.g. a set of pushups or lifts without needing a break to catch my breath till I've done another two or three different exercises. I'm asthmatic, so that's a big change for me. I guess at the minute there is more strength work in my routine than cardio - I'll hopefully be adjusting that in a few weeks or so.
I did have a few weeks here & there over the summer where I maybe only did one or two sessions per week due to being away on trips etc, but the eating habits took a hit as well - I ended up eating meat or (more likely) fish practically on a daily basis once again and indulging in crisps & pastries a bit more than usual. This is partly why I've started aiming for 5 sessions a week just recently, although I don't expect to keep that up for very long. I'm back to making more of an effort with the balance of what I eat - less crisps, more carrots! - but I'm not the sort of person who would measure portions carefully or keep a food log etc as I'd probably end up binning it.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
It's a very good gym in my opinion. It has most everything you need to get in shape.
It has lots of machines, a fairly big weights section and plenty of room for the classes that are taught.
2 drawbacks for me is the dumbell weights only go up to 40kgs and they are missing a couple of leg exercise machines (calf raises).
However they have just opened a branch in city centre (the old MK fitness) and your pass for the delta gym covers you for the henry street gym too. the henry street gym is much smaller but more selection of free weights and leg machines.
The delta gym also has TRX training section. (Basically resistance based training using ropes and pulleys - very good option).
Well worth the 20 euro a month fee. 25 euro including all classes.
€20 a month, for access to 2 gyms... holy crap thats brilliant value.....
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Hey-ho - got session no.4 in yesterday evening, with a lot of deadlifts, kettle-bell swings and clean & squats, plus FOUR laps of the car park and three short bouts on the exercise bike, and the rest .... Do I really want to go in for one more session this morning? My heart says no, my head says maybe, my limbs are threatening to beat me up.
EDIT - meh, went in anyway. Had a 400 metre run halfway through the session, which I started and finished at the front of the group with no wheezing. Happy days. Now to get ready for tonight's game ...
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
Hit a bit of a wall this morning. the workout was a fairly intense one: a 2 lap run, followed by 30 knee lifts, 20 pushups, 10 back squats at 50kg, 30 situps, 20 wall ball, 10 kettle bell lifts, for as many rounds as possible. I didn't even manage to complete the second round, but had a lot of puffing & panting and short breaks feeling exhausted - not very pleasant overall, and just not as able as I was a week or so ago when I might have managed three or four rounds without feeling as drained both during and afterwards. After a short spell on the bike and a bit of a recovery break, I was able to do my bench press - finished with 8 lifts of 73kg.
I know I should expect to have off-days from time to time, but have to admit I'm a bit peeved with this. To be honest a bit of it might well be down to chest tightness - I'd had a bit of an episode with the asthma on Saturday evening and it's been sort of making its presence felt on & off since then. But probably a lot more of it is down to having a few pints on Friday (five to be precise) and a big dinner with about a bottle and a half of wine on Saturday night, followed by a fry on Sunday morning. Still, no visitors this weekend so the boat won't be pushed out as far ...
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
Have been training away as per usual but the weight wasn't going anywhere (my own fault), so I have started to watch what I have been eating in the last week and intend to do so until Christmas. I hope to lose 8kgs in that time.
I am using something called intermittent fasting (IF). There are LOADS of different variations of it but in my "version" I am fasting for 16 hours a day. So I eat all my food between 12-8pm and then fast until 12 the next day. In about 5 days I have lost over 2kgs and I am still eating up on 1500-2500 calories per day (I'm 6'4" 250lbs), I'm just keeping my eating between those time boundaries. You can eat in any 8 hour period you wish, you may even go to a 10 hour window if you wish but the results will just be a little slower.
Might be something worth considering if you're having trouble dropping the weight. The beauty is you don't need to drop your calories too much and you'll still see great results. Keeping the boundaries is the key. There have been several studies to back it up also.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19112549
Kevy, you might find the following website of interest:
http://www.leangains.com/
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Dalai Lama
Bought a book the 17 day diet a few weeks ago on my kindle for €6. Four phase low carb diet with no limit on calories but an overall giideline of 1200-1600 kcal per day. On day 19 now and this morning I weighed in 19lbs lighter. I highly recommend it !
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