I think it might well be that guy but I couldn't swear to it - I tend to glaze over pretty rapidly when people suggest "watching the video/reading the blog" or at the first mention of the word "philosophy" in a gym.Does the term Cross Fit mean anything to you? I think he's becoming/has become an accredited trainer for them, or something like that, but I honestly couldn't say for sure.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
Yeah I'm familiar with Crossfit, not really fan to be honest.
I mean, it's great in theory but like anything that becomes popular/mainstream a lot of it is butchered and a lot of 'coaches' have a severe mis-understanding of what each lift is designed for. Slogans like ''if you are afraid of falling and breaking your neck we don't want you in our circle'' make me cringe(y'know, 'cos they're just so hardcore). And don't even get me started on 'kipping' movements.
But this article sums up Crossfit(for me) better than I could:
http://impact-pt.com/fitness/what-crossfit-is-and-isnt/
Also, these videos give me the lulz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnnOWfj2TW4
Many Crossfit 'coaches' think they can coach or learn any lift from the internet. This simply isn't true, especially for the Olympic movements. A Snatch(inappropriately named) is the most complex movement in all of weight training and and it simply can't be learned safely in an afternoon like many Crossfit clubs attempt. Preferably, a competent experienced coach should teach these movement over a number of weeks.
But then again, there's plenty of fit and strong people in Crossfit, I'm just not a fan of it.
A lot of the old school lifters hate crossfit, they seem to think it sacrifices technique/form to be BADA$$!!! They also seem to think its a recipe for injuries. I'm undecided on it, but certainly think there is a lot to be taken from it.
Its not too dissimilar to circuits, except more heavy duty.
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
I think I must have named the wrong thing then - like I said, I tend to tune out a lot of that stuff and just concentrate on the workout itself. Gotta say I was absolutely horrified by that first video - then I watched the second one!!!
My lad's approach is definitely NOT about going hell-for-leather - the weights are only one part of the overall programme, but no matter what the exercise format may be, it's all about doing only what you are properly capable of and getting the technique right before you do anything. In fact, the first few weeks I was there he had us lifting lengths of hollow plastic pipe that weighed all of a few ounces, purely in order to make us practice getting the technique correct before he let us near any of the weights. Plus as I said previously, this particular strength-building phase is a relatively short-term project that I am opting into, not something that I or anyone else is being pressurised or compelled to do. Over the long term, what we do is not a weight-lifting or body-building programme at all.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
To be fair that's just me(admittedly biased) opinion. Like I said, there's plenty of very fit and strong people that advocate Crossfit and it really is perfect for those who work in military/law enforcement etc. Just gotta find a good coach for it.
And I'd say you're spot on about your trainer going for the Crossfit cert., it's after getting very popular and can very effective. It also looks good on a Personal Trainers card. But it sounds like you have a good trainer Chips and you're making great progress so don't fix it unless it's broke!
Just did this BMI thingy on the Beeb... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18770328
And apparently I am above average and have a higher BMI than 90% of lads my age group in Ireland and 91% more than the rest of thw world.
And I'm most like someone from Greece or Croatia.... ??
It goes on to stateOnce again, the BMI is proven to be bull****.If everyone in the world had the same BMI as you, it would add 45,395,918 tonnes to the total weight of the world's population
The axe that cuts the tree can easily forget, but the tree thats been cut will not forget.
I think BMI is a very good guideline myself but it has to be taken with a LITTLE grain of salt. I think most guys would do well to get below a BMI of 26. Why do you think it's BS Huwie?
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
24. What do I win?Originally Posted by John123
When things go wrong, blame McGahan
Hmmm.... and I was proud of myself. This BMI is not my friend.
"Playing against ROG, your big game plan is to try and pressure him but he’d dump it off to Wally and next thing you’re five metres behind the gain line because he was an absolute freak." Rory Best, Irish Examiner, May 2012
24 is really good for a guy, go to the top of the class to collect your prize!
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
A little..?
If I had my way I'd scrap the thing altogether. Body fat % tests are the way to go. Hell most professional forwards would be considered seriously obese by the BMI.
Some Munster backs:
Ian Keatley, BMI 29
Simon Zebo, BMI 29
Keith Earls , BMI 28
Danny Barnes, BMI 27
Dougie Howlett, BMI 27
Luke O'Dea, BMI 27
Peter Stringer, BMI 25
Ronan O'Gara, BMI 25
Based on player profiles on http://www.munsterrugby.ie/rugby/squadprofiles.php
"Playing against ROG, your big game plan is to try and pressure him but he’d dump it off to Wally and next thing you’re five metres behind the gain line because he was an absolute freak." Rory Best, Irish Examiner, May 2012
Ah lads come on, BMI is for NORMAL humans... I agree body fat is the best method to test but throwing out the BMI's of a few pro players to discredit it is ridiculous.
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
So all of the overweight, and Ian Keatley borderline obese.
It's a very limited system - overestimates obesity in the fit, and underestimates it in the fat.
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
I was the ideal BMI for my height when I was 17. It's not just pro players who'll struggle.
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
Mine came out at 26 ( 1.94m + 96kg ). I've always had a problem with the BMI system as before my illness I was considered obese, when nothing could have been farther from the truth. 114kg, bugger all fat. I think that even for "normal" people a system that measures muscle/ fat should be used. Even now Im teetering on the overweight line, and again thats not even close to the truth.
Rugby Atletico de Madrid Division De Honor 2012/2013
Body Fat is the way to go alright.
If you are brave, your GP can probably give you an accurate figure using a calipers.
“Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances.”
Balla, most people are not honest about their weight. You may not WANT a BMI of 25 but it is most likely a healthy weight for you. Clearly most pro players will have at least 2 stone more muscle than most and common sense can be used in that case.
If SD13 was 114kg's with feck all fat you must have been similar in stature to POC, fair play to ya! Again common sense can be used in this case.
As I said before the BMI chart can be used as a reasonable GUIDE, if you're not carrying a pile of muscle. Its certainly more accurate for women than men though. If you don't agree with that you're probably not being honest with yourself about your weight. Just so ye know we are not supposed to have fat around our waists! I have plenty by the way...
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
By the way I agree with this, but calculating body fat isn't as easy to do. Also, I doubt many Irish GP's would have a clue how to calculate body fat with calipers! I'm open to correction on that by the way...
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
Dalai Lama
If SD13 was 114kg's with feck all fat you must have been similar in stature to POC, fair play to ya!
As much as I appreciate the comparison my body fat wasn't that low, I've always thought of myself as more the Springbok looking type (Willem Alberts etc). At the moment Im trying to regain my former size/ strength, and hopefully to improve. Currently eating like a pack of lions and training in beast mode
Rugby Atletico de Madrid Division De Honor 2012/2013
Not sure if this is the right thread, but as stated above Im trying to bulk up, get stronger ( much stronger ) Im following the BokSmart plan. Currently in Adv Hypertrophy wk 4. Have any of you guys tried this plan? For those of you who know of Boksmart what are your thoughts on the program?
For those who don't know the Hypertrophy stage is 2 days on 1 day off for 12 weeks. Day 1 is legs/core, Day 2 is chest/biceps, Day 3 is back/shoulders/triceps. Cardio is a separate session about twice a week.
My stats atm : Squat 102.5kg 8 reps. Bench 90kg 8 reps. Bent Over Row 80kg 8 reps.
The squat was 115kg but I wasnt happy with how low I was squatting so I lowered the weight and Im a lot happier.
Apologies if this is a bit of a ramble but Im not sure how to put my thoughts down on paper ( so to speak )
Last edited by SD13; 13th-July-2012 at 22:01.
Rugby Atletico de Madrid Division De Honor 2012/2013
That's why I "threw them out" .....
"Playing against ROG, your big game plan is to try and pressure him but he’d dump it off to Wally and next thing you’re five metres behind the gain line because he was an absolute freak." Rory Best, Irish Examiner, May 2012
Agree about people not being honest. It's especially easy for amateur rugby players to convince themselves that the odd stone is a product of the game rather than beer. I just think that BMI is very limited - particularly given the prominence it has. It's a useful first check for some, but it loses value pretty quickly.
As you hinted, I'd recommend a simpler system. Look down. If you're still unsure, poke yourself. If it moves too much, you've work to do.
Still plenty there on me too. Which is why I'm off for a run in the pissing rain on a saturday morning
"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
Strength training(all strength sports really, powerlifting, olympic lifting, strongman, even bodybuilding to a lesser degree) are a big interest of mine, but I'm having difficulty locating a solid idea of what thje BokSmart training programme actually looks like. Any chance you could outline the programme here and I may be able to offer my 2 cents for what it's worth
Not sure if it's been posted already, but anyone with a smartphone/iphone try myfitnesspal. Records all calories taken in. What vitamins etc you're lacking. Quick and easy to use. Just put in your weight and your goal and off you go. Can regulate the pace you lose the weight. It's working a treat for me. I'm not starving and still can eat my treats/have my pints. It just forces you to look at what you're eating and you make the choices. 3lbs to go!
The whole world cries out peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie.
KW Any help gratefully received. This is the link for the program, its quite a large document so it takes a while to load. One of the reasons I like it so much is that I don't have to do anything in that the whole year is mapped out for you. The only problem (as such ) that I have is that the Saffers seem to have a much longer off/pre-season than I do. Cut out some hypertrophy weeks so I could do the full strength/power program.
http://www.sarugby.co.za/boksmart/pd...or%20rugby.pdf
Rugby Atletico de Madrid Division De Honor 2012/2013
ROG will have that pinned on his wall now, the only way he's ever going to be able to claim he's "big"
\"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"
I use myfitnesspal on iPad. It keeps me focused and honest !
Little bit of a tale to go with this so hear me out. Just over 2 years ago had a BMI of 26 and running regularly. However was in the wrong place at the wrong time on the road one evening .The net result was a lot of inactivity and a BMI of 33. Im conscious of not plugging particular institutions so about 6 weeks ago i decided enough was enough and I took myself off to an establishment which would help me keep an eye on the weight and eating habits. I was also advised to look at a particular form of yoga which I was wary of as I'm about as supple as a brick. Its not easy (any of it) but as of this morning the BMI was 30. Now i know that progress will only get slower but portion control and a bit of exercise are the keys i think especially if really hard physical training is not possible.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
Fair play Brian, and welcome to the site.
Was at the deadlifts part of the strength programme this morning, worked my way up to 4 reps of 104 kg. Definitely must have been feeling some back pain when I did my "benchmark" deadlift a few weeks back, as the max single lift I could manage at the time was 70kg - today I felt like I could still have done more, but considering I've had problems with my back before I'm still being a little cautious.
I've finally started participating in the short runs that sometimes feature in our workouts - I hate running, so had always opted for the exercise bike as an alternative up until a couple of weeks ago. It's only a few laps of the car park, so generally no more than 300 metres, but I suppose at least I'm doing it now. It'll never be something I choose to do for pleasure though!
Closed the belt one more notch yesterday and wore it that way without discomfort all day. That's me going from having to use the last notch around Christmas time to the fourth one in now.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else.
- Alan Quinlan on believing in yourself
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