Munster Junior Leagues

[Big Chopper]

Is Martins not committed to playing with bohs only next season and only coaching Clonmel?


Also anything on crosshaven - nothing much been said about them?

As far as i am aware you are right, Martins is committing to Bohs, while just coaching Clonmel. Leamy is only helping out with pre season training and lineouts/scrums but wont be part of the coaching set up for the season according to all sources!!

Still, this will surely be good for Clonmel none the less and they shouldnt be taken lightly next year. Last year bet 3 of the four teams that finished above them in the league and if they can get some consistency will be there abouts in my opinion.

Any word on Waterpark? quite a good young team last year, will have learned alot surely and should be aiming for a top 6 finish again. Dont think they are in the running for a top 4.

[blood]

Crosshaven have new coaches Dave Corkery and John O'Neill, training starts this Thursday so see how it goes, will be a tough year for us not much recruiting done

[con man]

its very hard to get players around limerick cause there are to many teams in such a small area every club find it hard to recruit

[munstermum]

Hopefully,it's because they have loyalty to the clubs that have invested in them,as in coaching,driving them to matches,baby sat them!etc,all of which would have been voluntary unpaid and often totally forgotten by players.

[Bromance]

I hear that c'island have a new decent coaching set up in place. But also heard that they have lads transfering to senior clubs. How will this fair for the Kerrymen this season and any word on who is going to who?? And if is full transfer or dual status?

[Darkster]

I have aspirations of playing for Munster or one of the provinces, hopefully one day walk out in the green jumper. How does the ladder work that side? Or better yet, which teams compete at the level just below?

[Bromance]

AIL Division 1A is the step below Provincial Rugby at senior level. Need to be playing at the standard consistently and making an impact consistently at that level.

[Darkster]

AIL Division 1A is the step below Provincial Rugby at senior level. Need to be playing at the standard consistently and making an impact consistently at that level.

Thank You for your feedback.

[Blindsider.]

I have aspirations of playing for Munster or one of the provinces, hopefully one day walk out in the green jumper. How does the ladder work that side? Or better yet, which teams compete at the level just below?

Darkster - it depends on how old you are.

If you're still in school you need to be playing competitively with a decent club (appropriate age-grade in an AIL club) or (rugby-playing) school. There are Munster U-age teams at many age-grades now - colts, cadets etc. The province is divided in North South East West sectors.

If you need a club, regardless of age or grade, many here will advise, depending on location.

After that, it's about talent and tremendous amounts of hard work to be fit, technically aware and willing to learn.

Several youth coaches have said to me (across a number of sports) that 'coachability' is key. You must be willing to do what coaches ask re fitness, diet, tactics, skills etc etc.

I have seen fairly talented guys cut from teams because 'they know better than the coach'.

Best of luck!

[Darkster]

Darkster - it depends on how old you are.

If you're still in school you need to be playing competitively with a decent club (appropriate age-grade in an AIL club) or (rugby-playing) school. There are Munster U-age teams at many age-grades now - colts, cadets etc. The province is divided in North South East West sectors.

If you need a club, regardless of age or grade, many here will advise, depending on location.

After that, it's about talent and tremendous amounts of hard work to be fit, technically aware and willing to learn.

Several youth coaches have said to me (across a number of sports) that 'coachability' is key. You must be willing to do what coaches ask re fitness, diet, tactics, skills etc etc.

I have seen fairly talented guys cut from teams because 'they know better than the coach'.

Best of luck!

Oh man, thanks for that advice!! As long as I have been in the game, I am still a baby in it.

[thomas d tank]

very quiet here lately....everyone must be wrecked from all the pre season training!!.
looking at all the previous posts seems everyone is going for skibb & richmond to be fighting it out at the top, personally cant see skibb unless theyve got a lot of players coming in.... cant be relaying on the usual o'neills & copingers to pull them through games again, ....personally i think kanturk or galbally will be there abouts..
any taughts on the sides that will struggle, sweet f.a. between at least 8 of the teams last year, should be interesting again this season

[con man]

cant see anyone beating richmond with mick kelleher signed back

[Duffman]

very quiet here lately....everyone must be wrecked from all the pre season training!!.
looking at all the previous posts seems everyone is going for skibb & richmond to be fighting it out at the top, personally cant see skibb unless theyve got a lot of players coming in.... cant be relaying on the usual o'neills & copingers to pull them through games again, ....personally i think kanturk or galbally will be there abouts..
any taughts on the sides that will struggle, sweet f.a. between at least 8 of the teams last year, should be interesting again this season

Clan will surely struggle unless they have recruited, relegated before christmas I think. Other then that it will be the same story as last year, whoever picks up bonus points on a regular basis will do well. My own club had 4 or 5 games last year where a bonus point was there for the taking but came up just short losing by 8 or 9 points or not being clinical enough to get the 4th try. At the end of the seaosn those points all add up, Tralee secured 9 last year and that kept them from relegation, Crosshaven picked up 7 and that was the difference between 4rd from bottom and an AIL Junior cup spot.

[Milester]

Clan will surely struggle unless they have recruited, relegated before christmas I think. Other then that it will be the same story as last year, whoever picks up bonus points on a regular basis will do well. My own club had 4 or 5 games last year where a bonus point was there for the taking but came up just short losing by 8 or 9 points or not being clinical enough to get the 4th try. At the end of the seaosn those points all add up, Tralee secured 9 last year and that kept them from relegation, Crosshaven picked up 7 and that was the difference between 4rd from bottom and an AIL Junior cup spot.

I think Clonmel could be Darkhorses for the league.
They are a bit of a mystery, have an excellent record against the big teams and seem to drop points to weaker teams. Out of all the clubs they have by far the best facilites and I would assume cash behind them.

Skibb, Richmond and Waterpark will be up there with them.
If Kanturk can strenghten their pack then they will be there or there abouts.

I think Galbally will struggle this year, a few of there older 'imported' players are pushing on.

Cobh, Tralee, Crosshaven and Christians will be mid table along with St Marys.

Senans, Newcaslte West and Clanwilliam to fight to stay up.

[Bromance]

cant see anyone beating richmond with mick kelleher signed back

A fit Mike Keliher yes, the Mike Keliher that played last season on one leg could be a hinderance, coming off after 10-20mins wouldn't be good for Richmond or Mike. Needs to seriously take his time to recover fully to be back to his best

Richmond signed any others after losing Phelan and Simpson?

[donjuan]

Senans in fairness will struggle alot of big players gone to senior clubs or else retired. clan would def need to sign some forwards or the will struggle as well.
galbally have signed well over the summer . very good young out half from caherdavin area and good numbers for training even with gaa going on this time of year. they will be there abouts .
i know it sounds rich coming from a galbally man but i heard Richmond are paying some lads this year in a push to go senior. viscous rumours i am sure . . . cough cough

[stringerbell]

Senans in fairness will struggle alot of big players gone to senior clubs or else retired. clan would def need to sign some forwards or the will struggle as well.
galbally have signed well over the summer . very good young out half from caherdavin area and good numbers for training even with gaa going on this time of year. they will be there abouts .
i know it sounds rich coming from a galbally man but i heard Richmond are paying some lads this year in a push to go senior. viscous rumours i am sure . . . cough cough

Viscous rumour sounds about right.... I dont know if you noticed but Richmond dont have any excess cash to be paying players. They havnt payed a player in about 15 years since they went back junior.

Players had to raise money for their gear so you hardly expect that they are getting paid?

One question though. Where would Richmond get the money to pay players?? Resources are limited enough as it is

[donjuan]

regeneration grant money. . . . . massive numbers in club membership and big intake from club lotto money. . . . like i said prob all rumours

[stringerbell]

regeneration grant money. . . . . massive numbers in club membership and big intake from club lotto money. . . . like i said prob all rumours

Yes they are rumours.

[Milester]

regeneration grant money. . . . . massive numbers in club membership and big intake from club lotto money. . . . like i said prob all rumours

Richmond have never received regeneration money, only clubs to do so were Young Munster, Thomond, Presentation and St Marys. Membership which is minimal particuarly in a recession goes to pay a fraction of the running costs and lotto like wise. Richmond have a shoe string budget and Players are continously fundraising to keep the Club afloat.

You are right, it is a bit rich coming from Galbally (pardon the pun). They are paying massive money to players and its bad for Junior rugby in Munster.

[John123]

"Viscous rumours"...now that's serious!

[Milester]

"Viscous rumours"...now that's serious!

Should it be 'vicious'?

[Big Chopper]

cant see anyone beating richmond with mick kelleher signed back

Jesus he's a good player thats for sure, but Richmond are unbeatable if he's in the team?! i wouldnt be so sure!
Maybee if they get another 2 or 3 quality players in aswell. think the standard will go up next year, couldnt really get much worse than last year. Alot of 'stale clubs' have been relegated in the last 2 seasons and theres alot of new boys in town well capable. Kanturk will surely be the ones to watch if they dont get the dreaded 2nd season syndrome.

[greenback]

Varley training Newcastle West

[isola ciarrai]

I hear that c'island have a new decent coaching set up in place. But also heard that they have lads transfering to senior clubs. How will this fair for the Kerrymen this season and any word on who is going to who?? And if is full transfer or dual status?

Former club players involved in coaching with occasional outside advice AFAIK. Two good forwards going into Limerick senior clubs hopefully dual status, maybe 9 and 6 going to Limerick area club, also hopefully dual status. As usual, clubs are putting pressure on lads to go full senior but cannot see them being match day squad for UBL. Island cannot afford to lose any players full time, with about a decent 7s side out in Sydney, and another in London!

[isola ciarrai]

Should it be 'vicious'?

No, viscous is correct - these rumours are flowing slowly and thickly throughout!
Seriously, at the end of the day, we all have a fairly shrewd idea which junior club is flashing the cash and who is not. A few years ago my own former club (passive member now) paid for a decent player/coach who organised and structured our team, set our young lads up well and was a good player himself. He got the players to give their best within his coaching structure and being an outsider managed to avoid our legendary infighting. Got us promoted after a few years of nearly getting there. A man from a Limerick club famous for paying out challenged me about our 'extravagance' as the sums he heard around the city (a rumour mill like no other) were double what I knew the man was getting. So that is also a factor in sums mentioned.
Most rural clubs make do with what they have locally and if there is no person within the club to coach them to max potential, then a coach, ideally a player/coach, is hired, end of.

[Bromance]

Former club players involved in coaching with occasional outside advice AFAIK. Two good forwards going into Limerick senior clubs hopefully dual status, maybe 9 and 6 going to Limerick area club, also hopefully dual status. As usual, clubs are putting pressure on lads to go full senior but cannot see them being match day squad for UBL. Island cannot afford to lose any players full time, with about a decent 7s side out in Sydney, and another in London!

Ya i heard they'd a handy 9 out in Bruff, went from dual to full status, and that there is a 2nd row/back row in training in a city club. How will they cope if these lads do leave??

[13thscout]

Hi All,great to be staring at a new season just down the road,best of luck to everybody involved.
P.S. if we are starting to goss this early lets keep it factual yea!

[isola ciarrai]

Ya i heard they'd a handy 9 out in Bruff, went from dual to full status, and that there is a 2nd row/back row in training in a city club. How will they cope if these lads do leave??

It was never going to be an easy season but these two players and a prop also going to Limerick will make it one long fight against relegation, again. Speaking to active club members they are especially disappointed in the attitude of Bruff, a former junior club themselves. This young 9 was referred to them a few years ago for U20s, along with a 6/7, as no Kerry club had U20s. Their U20s coach in fact approached Island asking if we had a 9. He has been asked not to be dual status, or so he tells our club. As you can imagine, a 9 good enough for a senior squad would be a serious player at J1. Shabby, shabby. How soon they have forgotten the struggles of junior rugby. They can hardly be surprised if in turn city clubs target the likes of Shine and the Cahills.

[con man]

i heard today richmond have 4 or 5 players signed tony flynn very good back row player james kelly scraiff outhalf centre handy player darren kav signed back prop very good young player and david sheehan from young munsters very good player if he gets fit