Originally Posted by John123
Exactly, the vast majority are at it, it's almost impossible to achieve what the top pros achieve day in, day out.
I accept that they use drugs and it does not detract one bit the enjoymentI get from watching.
Exactly, the vast majority are at it, it's almost impossible to achieve what the top pros achieve day in, day out.
I accept that they use drugs and it does not detract one bit the enjoymentI get from watching.
Fair enough Bazzy but I do feel for the likes of Mark Scanlon (I think), who quit altogether as he couldn't bring himself to take drugs in order to hit the required level.
Exactly, the vast majority are at it, it's almost impossible to achieve what the top pros achieve day in, day out.
I accept that they use drugs and it does not detract one bit the enjoymentI get from watching.
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From personal experience I've come across guys on the
my point was,they're not doing it for any financial gain
as rugby players or to advance their rugby careers.
They're people who basically want to look good,and
happen to play rugby at the weekends
rugby pitch who I know are part of the cliques in a couple
of gyms in the area who are known to be into what help
they can get. As you say they're not doing it for big gain
rugby wise but they are doing it as part of their physical
training and they are rugby players. Personally I'd say your
steroid monkey types are not at all unknown in amateur
rugby in London.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366632n
The only thing lance is on is his bike 6 hours a day, busting his ass, what are you on?
Yep, I don't agree withdrug usebut it's impossible to stop, especially with the current level of bans/fines etc.Fair enough Bazzy but I do feel for the likes of Mark Scanlon (I think), who quit altogether as he couldn't bring himself to take drugs in order to hit the required level.
Exactly, the vast majority are at it, it's almost impossible to achieve what the top pros achieve day in, day out.
I accept that they use drugs and it does not detract one bit the enjoymentI get from watching.
that's an interesting one, cos he's openly saying he
cheated but being careful about what he's saying, to me
anyway that sounds like a guy trying to be precise rather
than just scatter gun or be sensationalist
comes back to the same question, is Armstrong the most
amazing human alive to outperform all these cheats?
Indeed, the man must be a freak of nature or should that be nurture?[img]smileys/wink.gif[/img]
that's an interesting one, cos he's openly saying he
cheated but being careful about what he's saying, to me
anyway that sounds like a guy trying to be precise rather
than just scatter gun or be sensationalist
comes back to the same question, is Armstrong the most
</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">amazing human alive to outperform all these cheats?</span>
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else. Alan Quinlan Irish Times April 24th 2013
especially since everyone around him, including members ofIndeed, the man must be a freakthat's an interesting one, cos he's openly saying he
cheated but being careful about what he's saying, to me
anyway that sounds like a guy trying to be precise rather
than just scatter gun or be sensationalist
comes back to the same question, <span style="font-
weight: bold;">is Armstrong the most
</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-
weight: bold;">amazing human alive to outperform all these
cheats?</span>
of nature or should that be nurture?[img]smileys/wink.gif[/img]
his own team, were at it like mad and he didn't even spot it
for one second?
Pharmstrong is not only fighting for his 'reputation', the US authorities are gunning for him - they're not happy with the whole charade - and he could well do jailtime.
The longer the better.
well looka
David Walsh has really nailed his colours to the mast. I've defended Armstrong in the past - but after reading Walsh in last weeks ST - he has a serious case to answer...
\'For he that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart\'.
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americans always get away with it, they're the biggest bunch
of frauds when it comes to the drugs, they complain like mad
about everyone else but even when they get caught there's
always lies, excuses and court cases to be allowed to carry
on anyway
Sound familiar?
\"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness\".
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I don't believe Armstrong was ever a great cyclist. I read an academic article a few years ago which explained that different individuals respond differently to performance enhancing drugs. Some get a small boost while a few get an enormous boost. Armstrong was an average cyclist until he got on the doping program.
well looka
Lance Armstrong is not going to contest the doping charges any further and will be stripped of all titles and money he won since 1998 including his 7 Yellow Jersies.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/oth...322883650.html
The guy is the worst pathological liar and fraudster going.
He's walking away because he knows he'd be destroyed by the mountain of evidence and witnesses against him....fair dues to Walsh kimmage and other journalists who have been on his case for years.
"Lads, your not to miss practice unless your parents died or you died" Frank Leahy
KC on todayfm is having a good auld twitter troll on it.
"So what if Lance Armstrong took drugs,he was the first man on the moon & they can never take that away from u Lancey baby"
there is also this new bracelet.
ouch.....
He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.
So does the second placed rider be promoted to winner for each of those Tours now?
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody - Bill Cosby
In some cases in might be 3rd or 4th place SRG.
"Lads, your not to miss practice unless your parents died or you died" Frank Leahy
very apt
"Lads, your not to miss practice unless your parents died or you died" Frank Leahy
SRG...... Jan ulrich finished 2nd 5 times during that time....he retired in 2007..ulrich also won TDF in 97.
But in Feb this year ulrich was retrospectively banned and all his results achieved (from may 2005 onwards) were removed from his palmares (record).
One of his 5 TDF second places falls within that time.
So in essence TDF would be rewarding a known drug cheat...found guilty from 2005 onwards...with 4 TDF wins due to Armstrong being stripped on his titles.
A farce to say the least.
Note...only two of ulrich five 2nd place finishes were during LArmstrong 7 wins...other 3 were pre that.
Last edited by NotreDameRFC; 24th-August-2012 at 13:51. Reason: ulrich correction
"Lads, your not to miss practice unless your parents died or you died" Frank Leahy
So whats the deal..... do we know yet how many of his titles he can be stripped of...?
surely not all of them..?
And who will those title be awarded to..? As far as i can see, most of those 1,2,3 positioned finalists were all juiced up to the eyeballs....
He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.
it will be up to UCI cake....can't see them doing ..anything in a hurry..this will drag on
"Lads, your not to miss practice unless your parents died or you died" Frank Leahy
I'm looking to be promoted up to 3rd place for the 2002 Tour once all the cheats have kicked, not sure about the other years.
I Think they should leave the record books blank as a mark of warning to all future drug cheats. You may win but if you have cheat we will catch you one day and you will be erased from the record.
they're too busy suing Kimmage in Switzerland ..
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Just read through the full thread-very forthright views expressed (and RIP slipper1). Armstrong getting the ignominy he deserves, finally and Kimmage and Walsh should be praised for standing their ground. Hopefully the US cycling authorities will release the information they have. (Has there been a confidentiality deal?) I wonder how Armstrong's defenders feel now?
What should the TdF authorities do now? I'm in favour of leaving the winner's name blank but they are likely to promote the second, third placed rider. Its all a bit farcical, rather like the tainted medal winners of the Ben Johnson Seoul Olympics race. Only one of the 8 finalists is now considered to be clean.
Never mind perception because it isn’t real. It’s only what people think. Go out and make them think something else. Alan Quinlan Irish Times April 24th 2013
He should be facing jail for the lifestyle he has been able to create for himself through what is effectively fraud.
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Paul Theroux
It would be good for cycling if all this 'evidence' was released - although I am far from happy about how much of it was obtained. I always amazed how closed cycling, with all the people involved it crazy how long it takes for this stuff to filter out.
Interesting factoid about the Seoul 100m - wonder how many other sportsmen will be retrospectively tested ?
Considering the little exercise they did a while back with b samples from TdF but with up to date testing, not what was available at the time, if they did that in athletics, for example, there could be havoc. As most of the testing authorities admit, (although obviously Armstrong always managed to avoid mentioning it when he kept saying he'd never failed a test), the money is in the cheating and the testers are always far enough behind for the best funded cheats to beat them.
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