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exiledinmunster
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busbi wrote:
POC or Munster/Irish management should come on in public
on it if he's ever down to ref us again. That way Poite knows
the eye is going to on how he treats him. If the rugby
assesors are doing their job right, the frog won't be getting
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If you start complaining about referees it will only serve to alienate him further and possibly more of his colleagues with him. It will only make it worse in the long run for both Ireland and Munster.
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tickettout wrote:
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Did Paul say that?
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If he did, why is nobody questioning POC's professionalism?
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Captain-Hero wrote:
tickettout wrote:
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Quote "stupid f***ing w***er" good man
paulie |
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Did Paul say that?
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If he did, why is nobody questioning POC's
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All he done was mutter something to the physio, i wouldn't be
getting too judgemental about it.....
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Captain-Hero wrote:
tickettout wrote:
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| Quote "stupid f***ing w***er" good man paulie |
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Did Paul say that?
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If he did, why is nobody questioning POC's professionalism?
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Maybe because Poite is a "stupid f***ing w***er" ? |
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Point is you need a bit of diplomacy as munster captain - if paulie gets penalised or a yellow for talking back to poite in a game that matters it wouldn't be very smart. It doesn't matter if he's a w**ker or not, his decision goes and it's the irb's / erc's place to judge him.
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lahinch_lass
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I had tuned into the ref link for the game, and I was sure Poite was going to bin one of the italians for arguing with him all the time.
Basically having listened to the ref frequency on numerous games there is a basic difference in the French ref's compared to ALL the others. The french refs absolutely will NOT talk about any of their decisions with anyone. How much of that is due to language problems and how much due to the way they're trained I do not know.
For those wishing for Jutge to come out of retirement, dig out some match recordings from his last season of reffing and trust me you'll change your mind.
I haven't watched too much of the top14 games to see if the french refs are as un-inclined to explain their decisions when at home as they appear to be in HEC or 6Ns.
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joconnell wrote:
Point is you need a bit of diplomacy as munster captain - if paulie gets penalised or a yellow for talking back to poite in a game that matters it wouldn't be very smart. It doesn't matter if he's a w**ker or not, his decision goes and it's the irb's / erc's place to judge him.
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Grow a pair, Poite is a dreadful ref and is a w**ker, he lectures top professionals on speaking back to him and then gives no explanations on his bizarre decison making, it must incredibly frustrating for the players. Diplomacy my arse. We shouldn't have to accept refs like him.
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So everybody saying he is a w*nker knows him personally so yeah?
Or do you mean that he is a bad ref? If so then he needs to be spoken to about it and it's up to any team who isn't happy with him to raise the issue. Don't think childish name calling is going to get much done.
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Captain-Hero wrote:
So everybody saying he is a
w*nker knows him personally so yeah?
Or do you mean that he is a bad ref? If so then he needs to
be spoken to about it and it's up to any team who isn't happy
with him to raise the issue. Don't think childish name calling is
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Childish name calling? Oh FFS.......
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exiledinmunster
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Tobyglen wrote:
joconnell wrote:
Point is you need a bit of diplomacy as munster captain - if paulie gets penalised or a yellow for talking back to poite in a game that matters it wouldn't be very smart. It doesn't matter if he's a w**ker or not, his decision goes and it's the irb's / erc's place to judge him.
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Grow a pair, Poite is a dreadful ref and is a w**ker, he lectures top professionals on speaking back to him and then gives no explanations on his bizarre decison making, it must incredibly frustrating for the players. Diplomacy my arse. We shouldn't have to accept refs like him.
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It matters not if the ref is a wonker, his decision is all that matters, he does not have to explain them, and whining and b***hing will only lead to yellow cards. It is POC that has to be diplomatic not the ref.
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Tobyglen wrote:
Grow a pair, Poite is a dreadful ref and is a w**ker, he lectures top professionals on speaking back to him and then gives no explanations on his bizarre decison making, it must incredibly frustrating for the players. Diplomacy my arse. We shouldn't have to accept refs like him.
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It doesn't matter if he is or not - he's the bloke on the field and frustrating or not, you're not going to convince him to overturn his decisions during a game - it's far more intelligent not to start arguing with him and be a bit cute or else decisions might start going against you. If he's a s**t ref, coaches will put in questions to the irb or erc after and deal with it there.
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Captain-Hero
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busbi wrote:
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So everybody saying he is a
w*nker knows him personally so yeah?
Or do you mean that he is a bad ref? If so then he needs to
be spoken to about it and it's up to any team who isn't happy
with him to raise the issue. Don't think childish name calling is
going to get much done.
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Childish name calling? Oh FFS....... |
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Oh there's a better term for calling somebody a f*ckin w*nker is there?
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an aside. Frankie Sheehan made a comment today about Nigel Owens, and his refereeing style. he said you can't question his decisions, without a fear of giving away more penalties. Is this Frankie trying to get his RTE 6N career off to a controversial start?
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refugee wrote:
| an aside. Frankie Sheehan made a comment today about Nigel Owens, and his refereeing style. he said you can't question his decisions, without a fear of giving away more penalties. Is this Frankie trying to get his RTE 6N career off to a controversial start? |
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the difference with Owens is that he will normally talk to the captains if they ask him to, and he's usually pro-active in telling the players more about what he wants them to do or not do. Even today he pulled the front rows aside a couple of times to sort out scrum issues. Poite didn't bother with that at all, even though I'd presume the majority of the italian pack at least can speak french and they were the ones he kept telling off for arguing with him all the time. In all honesty the irish guys pretty much kept quiet in relation to talking to Poite. You could hear them clearly talking to the other players congratulating each other on good play, but I don't think I heard any of them talking to the ref very much except in response to direct comments from Poite. And even then he was very narky in reply. I'd love to know how much of the issue is language and how much is simply because he's a bad ref. He does tend to make correct calls, but he also misses a lot. If you look back at the Munster v ABs game last season he basically only reffed Munster.
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The Gaillimh approach is required with this ref, I fear. Yes Sir, No Sir and spot on there Sir, all to be said with a friendly hand on the shoulder. I thought he might burst, he's so full of himself. I hope to God we don't get him in anything important.
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Benny wrote:
I just want Joel Jutge back.Now there was a French Ref you could usually rely on, especially when at home.
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Jutge was a disgrace, Poite cost us the win against the All blacks. Lets just ban French refs |
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ExiledinMunster - he does have to explain them. It's an essential piece
of a refs game management. If the game is to flow - which along with
ensuring player safety is what the ref is for - then teams have to
understand why they are being pinged.
His current approach would see him fail an entry level refereeing
course.
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exiledinmunster
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Balla Boy wrote:
ExiledinMunster - he does have to explain them. It's an essential piece
of a refs game management. If the game is to flow - which along with
ensuring player safety is what the ref is for - then teams have to
understand why they are being pinged.
His current approach would see him fail an entry level refereeing
course.
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That should read that it is an essentuial part of a GOOD ref's game management. Poite is not a good ref.
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deltared wrote:
| It doesn't look like these two will be exchanging Christmas cards any time soon. Mutual antipathy might be too suble a description at this stage. I could easily lip read Paulies comment when Poite decided to impose himself when Paulie went down a second time with an eye injury.To my mind however it reflects poorly on Monsieur Poite when he was unable to leave his personal feelings towards Paulie behind even in a match where Paulie was just another pack grunt. Doesn't auger well for hjs professionalism as an impartial referee. |
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Sorry the ref was totally with in his rights to say head injury and you have gone down twice time to go off. Even Kidney said we want PO'C off.
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exiledinmunster wrote:
Balla Boy wrote:
ExiledinMunster - he does have to explain them. It's an essential piece
of a refs game management. If the game is to flow - which along with
ensuring player safety is what the ref is for - then teams have to
understand why they are being pinged.
His current approach would see him fail an entry level refereeing
course.
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That should read that it is an essentuial part of a GOOD ref's game management. Poite is not a good ref.
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There's a discussion in this thread from earlier in the season on ref communication http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21992&a mp;KW=refs
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I propose that in future, on this forum, the acronym WTF? be forever more replaced by PTF?
Poite The F**k?
My mobile phone's predictive text just suggested 2 interesting variations for Poite; Rogue & Smite.
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[QUOTE=Balla Boy]
ExiledinMunster - he does have to explain them. It's an essential piece
of a refs game management. If the game is to flow - which along with
ensuring player safety is what the ref is for - then teams have to
understand why they are being pinged.
His current approach would see him fail an entry level refereeing
course.
He did explain them by giving the correct primary and secondary signals which he is required to do. He does NOT have to provide a running commentary of his awards to the players or spectators. People on this forum have the right to criticise referees but an awful lot of what is said here is factually inaccurate.
Fact Poite has NO issue with O Connell. |
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Dribblywhistle wrote:
People on this forum have the right to criticise referees but an awful lot of what is said here is factually inaccurate. Probably
Fact Poite has NO issue with O Connell. How do you know? |
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Away from rugby, Poite is a psychiatric nurse - so dealing with Paulie should be meat and drink for him.
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The real Romain Poite was found this morning wearing only his underwear, he had been locked in the closet of a French mental asylum.
The patient responsible for this is thought to be masquerading as a referee. He was initially committed to this asylum as a result of being bullied by a ginger-haired boy.
He is said to become very irrational and paranoid when off his medication.
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Dribblywhistle,
My (admittedly basic) ref training constantly emphasised the need for
communication and clarity. It reduces inadvertent infringements,
reduces tension and makes the game more managable.
It has nothing to do with spectators and everything to do with game
management.
The "he has no obligation" line might be literally true, but it makes
him inept at this level.
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