Nagle at the world cup

[AdolphusGrigson]

Just heard Keith Wood saying on BBC Radio 5 that he would have liked to have seen Ian Nagle at the world cup as he had turned in the best performance he had seen by a second row last year.

Although not taking away from the boldness of Gatland's decisions in throwing inyounger players some were there through necessity because of injuries - Murray aside, Kidney has surely been too conservative.

[cemec]

Wood should lay off the sauce. Murray went because he showed up well in high intensity matches for Munster and wasn't found wanting. Scrum half is a position where we were going to take three players and there weren't three established preferred choices. Nagle plays lock, a position we have several options in. He has never played above ML level. There's a difference between being conservative and being insane. Nagle is nowhere near ready for test rugby and I doubt many people would even want him the HEC side at this point.

[jeepers]

Nagle was MOTM against Australia last November. Murray was benching in that game.

[John Cooper Clarke]

We'd all like to have seen many things, but they didn't happen.

As they say in Brooklyn....

707

[Cowboy]

I'd definitely like to see Nagle on the HEC team as sub second row. It's not beyond the realms of possibility. He's a good young prospect with hunger. With D. Ryan showing well in the blindside/second row hybrid position there's room for Nagle

[Tobyglen]

Wood is spot on.

[i_like_cake]

I'd definitely like to see Nagle on the HEC team as sub second row. It's not beyond the realms of possibility. He's a good young prospect with hunger. With D. Ryan showing well in the blindside/second row hybrid position there's room for Nagle

D Ryan is too slow for a hybrid.... but Wood is spot on....

[flimwodd]

Hybrid,who came up with that,god be with the days they were called good secound/backrow players.Sweet jesus if you called a player a hybrid a few years ago youd be laughed off the terrace

[slipper1]

Nagle deserves his chance, the sooner the better. He cleaned out Australian ball in Thomond and recieved a motm, if you believe in an enforcer at 4 and a lineout jumper at 5, O'Connell has taken on the enforcer role lately, Nagle is a good at attacking opposition lineouts, one area we didn't capitalise on at the WC. Play him.

[Daithi]

He can't yet get on his clubs top match day panel, he plays several levels below intl test level but he was motm via a 2nds Aus side in the rain on a dirty Tue eve a year ago- of course we should play him, I mean it's just common sense!!

[slipper1]

He can't yet get on his clubs top match day panel, he plays several levels below intl test level but he was motm via a 2nds Aus side in the rain on a dirty Tue eve a year ago- of course we should play him, I mean it's just common sense!!

Who are ahead of him at Cork Con ? He's played B&I cup, Northampton came looking after the game v Nottingham, he was up against Ali Williams. So we include him in the Hcup panel yet don't include him in the match day squad.

I'm not saying intl yet but he should be a Munster starter, Ferris should be moved to 2nd row for Ireland.

[flimwodd]

would u have said the same about conor murray last year when he started for g/owen in the odm final.

[slipper1]

Wood should lay off the sauce. Murray went because he showed up well in high intensity matches for Munster and wasn't found wanting. Scrum half is a position where we were going to take three players and there weren't three established preferred choices. Nagle plays lock, a position we have several options in. He has never played above ML level. There's a difference between being conservative and being insane. Nagle is nowhere near ready for test rugby and I doubt many people would even want him the HEC side at this point.

Keith Wood is one 9 players that selects the IRB player of the year, maybe, just maybe, he knows his players ... ;)

[JoeyFantastic]

I've seen Wood at a few of our A games, he seems to keep a close eye on who we've got coming through. Wood has certainly seen more of Nagle than just that Oz game.

[Dowlinz]

He can't yet get on his clubs top match day panel, he plays several levels below intl test level but he was motm via a 2nds Aus side in the rain on a dirty Tue eve a year ago- of course we should play him, I mean it's just common sense!!

Spot on, nonsense to throw someone into a world cup panel on the back of one good performance. He has huge potential but he's nowhere near ready.

I wouldn't say Kidney has been conservative at all either, he would have brought Felix Jones as well had he the option. Many outside of Munster also share the belief that Murray wasn't ready for this level yet, be it right or wrong it's certainly an argument being presented. Bit tired about hearing that Gatland's model is supposedly something to aspire to, they lost to an aging South Africa, an Oz side we beat, lucked out they were playing a tired Samoans and somehow managed to lose to the worst French side I've ever seen taking only 1 out of 7 kickable opportunities. They beat us purely because we were muck and coughed up two soft tries. To look at the world cup another way, we played 5, Won 4. They played 7, Won 4. The superiority of Wales extends to one match and one match only, they turned up on the day I'd wouldn't idolise anything about them or their preparation beyond that one match.

[cemec]

Nagle was MOTM against Australia last November. Murray was benching in that game.

In all blunt honesty, that match means nothing. It was a midweek friendly against a dirt tracker Australia side in the rain. Nagle looks to be an excellent prospect but until he delivers in a top level provincial match i.e. HEC or a crunch match against Leinster, talk of him being included in the Irish panel is fanciful at best. When he's ready for Irish selection, he'll be in the Munster HEC match day squad.

[tickettout]

Pure spoof.

[flimwodd]

IMO if toner can get a cap then its not too far a notion that a player with nagles potential can too.

[lactose intolerant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qR0Uke2XNI

[cemec]

IMO if toner can get a cap then its not too far a notion that a player with nagles potential can too.

Toner was in good form and had started and played well in the two HEC matches in the weeks leading up to his caps. You have to show the goods at provincial level before you'll get international recognition.

[jeepers]

In all blunt honesty, that match means nothing. It was a midweek friendly against a dirt tracker Australia side in the rain. Nagle looks to be an excellent prospect but until he delivers in a top level provincial match i.e. HEC or a crunch match against Leinster, talk of him being included in the Irish panel is fanciful at best. When he's ready for Irish selection, he'll be in the Munster HEC match day squad.

Try and tell the players that was a nothing game. Huge pressure on them to perform. All those players were Super Rugby players and more than likely a fair few of them made the Australian SQUAD* for the RWC.

Apart from that game, I seem to remember himself & Billy Holland doing very well (think he might have got MOTM again) against Ulster in Munster win (6-16) up there last season. Muller was Ulster's captain that night.


*No one said he should be a starter, just in the squad - he would have been well able for USA & Russia though.

[slipper1]

Toner was in good form and had started and played well in the two HEC matches in the weeks leading up to his caps. You have to show the goods at provincial level before you'll get international recognition.

Toner is only good for changing the lightblubs in the RDS. A joke that he got capped.

[busbi]

Players need to make a significant break through with their province before you can talk about involvement with Ireland.

I personally feel it was a significant mistake by Munster to keep Nagle and not encourage a move to Connacht. We have POC, DOC and Ryan on International contracts. Micko will probably hang on as long as he can, and nobody can exactly blame him for that. We're going to be seeing shag all of Nagle this season compared to last with a fit POC around. Holland seems to be ahead of him in the second row and that's fair enough given the job Holland has done there on a consistent basis over last year.

Also i have to say i was fairly disappointed when i saw him at the start of this season and how little muscle he's put on, though that seems to be a common enough theme for many of our younger players.

[The Outlaw]

Daithi is spot on. Its utterly laughable that some here are so deluded into thinking a guy who cant start in the ML on a regular basis is an international. Maybe down the road he will be. But handing out caps for the sake of it seems to be the theme here. You have to earn it.

[flimwodd]

Daithi is spot on. Its utterly laughable that some here are so deluded into thinking a guy who cant start in the ML on a regular basis is an international. Maybe down the road he will be. But handing out caps for the sake of it seems to be the theme here. You have to earn it.
Nobody asked for him to be capped for the sake of it,people just think he has the potential to be capped in the future.
Dont let that get in the way of your bile towards anything munster.

[masterchief]

Nobody asked for him to be capped for the sake of it,people just think he has the potential to be capped in the future.
Dont let that get in the way of your bile towards anything munster.

In fairness the focus should be on him getting a run in the Munster XV before we even think about Ireland.

[Cathal]

Players need to make a significant break through with their province before you can talk about involvement with Ireland.

I personally feel it was a significant mistake by Munster to keep Nagle and not encourage a move to Connacht. We have POC, DOC and Ryan on International contracts. Micko will probably hang on as long as he can, and nobody can exactly blame him for that. We're going to be seeing shag all of Nagle this season compared to last with a fit POC around. Holland seems to be ahead of him in the second row and that's fair enough given the job Holland has done there on a consistent basis over last year.

Also i have to say i was fairly disappointed when i saw him at the start of this season and how little muscle he's put on, though that seems to be a common enough theme for many of our younger players.

Holland is a 4/6, Nagle is a 5. They might be competing for a bench spot against each other but not for a starting spot.