Starting Teams v USA & Oz

[dermotmccarthy]

V USA
Court, Fla, Buckley
Ryan, Cullen
Fez, SOB, Heaslip
Murray Sexton
Earls, BOD, D'Arcy, Bowe, Kearney
Subs Cronin, Ross, DOC, SOB, Boss, ROG, McFadden

V Australia
Healy, Flannery, Ross
DOC, POC
Fez, SOB, Heaslip
Murray, ROG
Trimble, BOD, McFadden, Bowe, Murphy
Subs Cronin, Court, Ryan, Boss, Sexton, Earls, Kearney

[lorianne]

I totally agree. These are the teams that Declan Kidney should be putting out v USA and Australia. I hope he doesn't make the same mistake as Eddie O'Sullivan at the last world cup by picking your first choice fifteen for every match. Keep some key players in key areas but give the other squad members a chance aswell.

[Aussiedub]

Absolute rubbish. We need the starting team to play against USA and then Aus. While the odds of beating Aus won't be great putting out a team that hasn't played together will ensure us getting a hiding. Guys can be rested against Russia before we play Italy if required.

How can SOB be on the bench and starting against USA and how can we only have 3 forwards on the bench against Aus and only 1 for the back 5 of the pack???

[dermotmccarthy]

Absolute rubbish. We need the starting team to play against USA and then Aus. While the odds of beating Aus won't be great putting out a team that hasn't played together will ensure us getting a hiding. Guys can be rested against Russia before we play Italy if required.

How can SOB be on the bench and starting against USA and how can we only have 3 forwards on the bench against Aus and only 1 for the back 5 of the pack???

So Antipodean Dud if Healy or Ross get injured in the US game you won't be the first inline calling for Kidneys head asking why did he play them in that match

The odds of beating Australia without Ross and/or Helay is greater than if they do not play in the US game.
Your reasoning shows no logic (what is new there). If we lose against Australia we will have to beat Italy so why not play your full strength side against Russia:rolleyes:

My mistake Antipodean Dud forgot the cloning of SOB isn't scheduled until after the WC in time for Blue Magics HEC campaign.
Put Leamy on the bench for the US game and Oz games then and jettison Kearney.

[The Last Stand]

Absolute rubbish. We need the starting team to play against USA and then Aus. While the odds of beating Aus won't be great putting out a team that hasn't played together will ensure us getting a hiding. Guys can be rested against Russia before we play Italy if required.

How can SOB be on the bench and starting against USA and how can we only have 3 forwards on the bench against Aus and only 1 for the back 5 of the pack???

Pretty much agree with you.

Will need to be at least 12 of the team expected to play the next week against Australia. Hopefully we will be comfortable and get bench on with 20 to go.

What is your 15 on those games?

[Dowlinz]

I'd agree we need our first 15 against USA and continuity into Aus only making replacements on form, no sense resting anybody at that stage. Russia is the game we can look to rest people.

[Aussiedub]

So Antipodean Dud if Healy or Ross get injured in the US game you won't be the first inline calling for Kidneys head asking why did he play them in that match

The odds of beating Australia without Ross and/or Helay is greater than if they do not play in the US game.
Your reasoning shows no logic (what is new there). If we lose against Australia we will have to beat Italy so why not play your full strength side against Russia:rolleyes:

My mistake Antipodean Dud forgot the cloning of SOB isn't scheduled until after the WC in time for Blue Magics HEC campaign.
Put Leamy on the bench for the US game and Oz games then and jettison Kearney.

No I won't....I'll be asking why so much time was spent on Hayes/Mushy and not on Hagan for example???

In case you really have as little knowledge as you are showing in your post we only have 1 chance of getting further than the quarter finals and that is beating Australia.....Beating them is the absolute priority in this RWC and needs to be the main and only focus.

If you think we can just turn up based on the absolutely shocking performances in the warm-up games where they look totally out of sync and without any sign of gelling in any area apart from the scrum and beat Australia then you are in fantasy land.

[Aussiedub]

Pretty much agree with you.

Will need to be at least 12 of the team expected to play the next week against Australia. Hopefully we will be comfortable and get bench on with 20 to go.

What is your 15 on those games?

This is the team I would pick (I expect DOC ahead of Cullen, Reddan ahead of Boss though)
Healy, Flannery, Ross, Cullen, POC, Ferris, Jennings, Heaslip, Boss, Sexton, Trimble, Darcy, BOD, Bowe, Kearney - Buckley, Best, Ryan, Leamy, Reddan, ROG, Earls

[dobbsv2]

USA - Put the first team out; run up a big score and put down a marker.

Aus - stick out the B team. We haven't a hope of beating them, so why bother risking key players.

Russia - B team again. Should easily be enough to secure maximum points

Italia - Send out the top boys with instructions to win it in 50 mins. Then empty the bench.

At that stage a qtr is secured; key personnel fit and ready to go; and we can have a good crack at turning over the boneheads who are eminently more beatable than the shackedraggers.

Then we are in semi-final heaven.

Simples.

[scotscor]

We can beat oz, but to do it, we will need to have one with the first team first.
Healy Flannery Ross
DOC POC
Ferris Heaslip SOB
Murray ROG
Trimble Wallace BOD Bowe
Kearney

Best, Buckley, Ryan, Jennings, Boss, Sexton, Earls

[wobbly18]

I would have thought you have to start as close to the first team as possible against USA for continuity leading into the Australia game.
I'd be worried at our 12 options and fingers crossed Murray starts.

[thisyear?]

USA - Put the first team out; run up a big score and put down a marker.

Aus - stick out the B team. We haven't a hope of beating them, so why bother risking key players.

Russia - B team again. Should easily be enough to secure maximum points

Italia - Send out the top boys with instructions to win it in 50 mins. Then empty the bench.

At that stage a qtr is secured; key personnel fit and ready to go; and we can have a good crack at turning over the boneheads who are eminently more beatable than the shackedraggers.

Then we are in semi-final heaven.

Simples.

absolute waffle! They must go out there believing they can beat everyone. Disgusted with form in warm ups. Deccie surprised me by dropping TOL and Fitz. Hoping that he has not declared his hand yet. Must get off to a flying start with best team against USA and then continue it against Australia. Can reevaluate things against Russia to a certain extent. But if they have lost Aus game then Italy game becomes a huge one...

Healy, Best, Ross
Cullen, PO'C
SO'B, Ferris, Heaslip
Reddan, Sexton
D'Arcy, BO'D
Trimble, Kearney, Bowe

Bench
Cronin, Court, Leamy, Ryan, Murray, O'Gara, Earls

[busbi]

If there is one thing i'm fairly dissaopinted about it's that Kidney has been so conservative in trying things out in the centre. He's been way too slow in using BOD at 12 and bringing in Bowe, or at least using McFadden in the centre.

We're now left with massivley off form (saying that, it's been his usual form the most of his career) D'Arcy, and Wallace and Earls as the two players who played most after the first choice partnership.

[Benji]

Usa

Court Fla Buckley
Doc Cullen
Ferris Leamy Jennings

Murray Sexton
Bod at 13 McFadden at 12
G Murphy Bowe on the Wings and Kearney Full back

Rog Boss Earls Ross, Best, Poc Sob


Oz

Healy Fla Buckley
Doc Poc
Sob Openside
Ferris
Heaslip at 8

Murray (If he can put in a good 60 mins against Usa I'd chance him
Sexton

McFadden at 12
Bod 13
Trimble
Bowe ( He needs to find his gears against the Usa if not Earls)
Kearney (Its a close one Kearney or Murphy depending on the Usa game

Rog Boss Earls
Court Best Ryan Jennings

Jennings while he hasnt set the world alight IMHO would be able to make more impact in slowing down Oz ball and getting us going faster. Ryan can cover 6 if needed. Ryan and Leamy on the bench are too similar and dont offer enough speed if thats whats required.
Reddan - Sorry Kid but too prone to mistakes. We cant afford to give away easy scores.

It's tough that we have so many players returning from injuries and were going to be poxed if they can all get back in form.
Dont think we could have put out a squad with as many question marks over fitness if we tried (Par Tol Fitz and strings of course)

Ferris Lets hope he wont break down
Healy Eye socket problem
Darcy Calf and Form
Bod Shoulder and stingers
Kearney - Hasnt played enough and is just back from injury
G Murphy - Ditto Kearney
Bowe-- Ditto Kearney
Fla -- Great to see him back but needs gametime
Heaslip - Concussion Wouldnt play him against the Usa as a precaution

Falvey and the medics are going to be busy

[Aussiedub]

Usa

Court Fla Buckley
Doc Cullen
Ferris Leamy Jennings

Murray Sexton
Bod at 13 McFadden at 12
G Murphy Bowe on the Wings and Kearney Full back

Rog Boss Earls Ross, Best, Poc Sob


Oz

Healy Fla Buckley
Doc Poc
Sob Openside
Ferris
Heaslip at 8

Murray (If he can put in a good 60 mins against Usa I'd chance him
Sexton

McFadden at 12
Bod 13
Trimble
Bowe ( He needs to find his gears against the Usa if not Earls)
Kearney (Its a close one Kearney or Murphy depending on the Usa game

Rog Boss Earls
Court Best Ryan Jennings

Jennings while he hasnt set the world alight IMHO would be able to make more impact in slowing down Oz ball and getting us going faster. Ryan can cover 6 if needed. Ryan and Leamy on the bench are too similar and dont offer enough speed if thats whats required.
Reddan - Sorry Kid but too prone to mistakes. We cant afford to give away easy scores.

It's tough that we have so many players returning from injuries and were going to be poxed if they can all get back in form.
Dont think we could have put out a squad with as many question marks over fitness if we tried (Par Tol Fitz and strings of course)

Ferris Lets hope he wont break down
Healy Eye socket problem
Darcy Calf and Form
Bod Shoulder and stingers
Kearney - Hasnt played enough and is just back from injury
G Murphy - Ditto Kearney
Bowe-- Ditto Kearney
Fla -- Great to see him back but needs gametime
Heaslip - Concussion Wouldnt play him against the Usa as a precaution

Falvey and the medics are going to be busy

Benji - You seriously thinking that Ross shouldn't/won't start ahead of Buckley??

[Benji]

Benji - You seriously thinking that Ross shouldn't/won't start ahead of Buckley??

Sorry Aussiedub Typo error buckley to start ahead

Ross Against Oz but wouldnt use him against Usa
Ill change the team

[Benji]

Is it not possible to edit?

[busbi]

Is it not possible to edit?

Only if it's your last post i think.

[Talking Sense]

Dermot you are way off mate, the team to play against OZ will need a run out together against the states for at least an hour to give them more time to gel. If the game is won then fine bring off our key men.

The team should be this at the moment,

Healy (if fit)
Fla
Ross
DOC
POC
Fez
SOB
Jamie
Murray
ROG
Trimby
Darce
BOD
Bowe
Murphy.

Subs: Best, Buckley, Ryan, Leamy, Boss, Sexto, Earls.

[Ulster's Best]

Dermot you are way off mate, the team to play against OZ will need a run out together against the states for at least an hour to give them more time to gel. If the game is won then fine bring off our key men.

The team should be this at the moment,

Healy (if fit)
Fla
Ross
DOC
POC
Fez
SOB
Jamie
Murray
ROG
Trimby
Darce
BOD
Bowe
Murphy.

Subs: Best, Buckley, Ryan, Leamy, Boss, Sexto, Earls.

Team v USA may be -

Kearney, Bowe, O'Driscoll, D'Arcy (hopefully he's fit as him and BOD could do with game together before Oz), Trimble, Sexton, Reddan (bit depressing but that's what it's looking like for the tournament), Court, Flannery, Ross, O'Callaghan, O'Connell, Ferris, Jennings, Heaslip. Bench - Best, Buckley, Ryan, Leamy, Murray (if he's thinking of having him in the 22 v Oz, and with any chance to start that one), O'Gara, Earls.

[The Outlaw]

Dermot you are way off mate, the team to play against OZ will need a run out together against the states for at least an hour to give them more time to gel. If the game is won then fine bring off our key men.

The team should be this at the moment,

Healy (if fit)
Fla
Ross
DOC
POC
Fez
SOB
Jamie
Murray
ROG
Trimby
Darce
BOD
Bowe
Murphy.

Subs: Best, Buckley, Ryan, Leamy, Boss, Sexto, Earls.

Healy wont be playing next week against USA. Definijtely Court. Kearney will be 15 barring injury and Reddan is definitely the number one scrumhalf at present. Just hope we get through this game with no more injuries.

[bigron]

I'd agree we need our first 15 against USA and continuity into Aus only making replacements on form, no sense resting anybody at that stage. Russia is the game we can look to rest people.

We are playing the us on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Not exactly England coming to play in croke park. But certainly added motivation. I would start with Ross,poc,bod,sob,sexton,bowe,Murray. On the bench as I feel that this is the USA's wc final. We will win and comfortably. But I see no reason to risk injury by sending them out against a pumped team with nothing to lose. Finish with our best 15 on pitch. Let them cut loose for 30min against a tired team.

[Liam2me]

When does the team get announced?

[The Last Stand]

When does the team get announced?

I would guess Friday unless there is a tournament requirement for earlier.

[McCloud]

I would guess Friday unless there is a tournament requirement for earlier.

Yup will be announced on Friday.

[Cowboy]

We are playing the us on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Not exactly England coming to play in croke park. But certainly added motivation. I would start with Ross,poc,bod,sob,sexton,bowe,Murray. On the bench as I feel that this is the USA's wc final. We will win and comfortably. But I see no reason to risk injury by sending them out against a pumped team with nothing to lose. Finish with our best 15 on pitch. Let them cut loose for 30min against a tired team.


We've tried that before and it blew up in our faces (georgia, namibia). I'd be all for hockeying the yanks as much as possible THEN making changes in minutes 40-60. Start our first 15 and blow America away, finishing with the cavalry doesnt always work.

[Munsterboy]

I'd go with an almost full strength side to start against the US (Healy and Ross being the two exceptions):

Court, Fla, Buckley, DOC, POC, Ferris, SOB, Heaslip, Reddan, Sexton, Trimble, D'Arcy, BOD, Bowe, Kearney

Bench: Best, Ross, Cullen, Jennings, Murray, ROG, Earls

I'd plan to bring Murray, Cullen, Jennings and Earls in for Reddan, POC, SOB and Trimble early in the second half. No other subs to be used unless absolutely necessary.

[Ulster's Best]

I'd go with an almost full strength side to start against the US (Healy and Ross being the two exceptions):

Court, Fla, Buckley, DOC, POC, Ferris, SOB, Heaslip, Reddan, Sexton, Trimble, D'Arcy, BOD, Bowe, Kearney

Bench: Best, Ross, Cullen, Jennings, Murray, ROG, Earls

I'd plan to bring Murray, Cullen, Jennings and Earls in for Reddan, POC, SOB and Trimble early in the second half. No other subs to be used unless absolutely necessary.

Will D'Arcy be fit for the first game? Also queries about O'Brien, O'Driscoll and Kearney it would seem.

If all out / none risked, could be a team of - Murphy, Bowe, Earls, Wallace, Trimble, Sexton, Reddan, Court, Flannery, Ross, O'Callaghan, O'Connell, Ferris, Jennings, Heaslip. Bench - Best, Buckley, Cullen, Leamy, Murray, O'Gara, McFadden. Obviously wouldn't be ideal to have that centre pairing but Kidney unlikely to put McFadden in there and anyway we should still win.

[RED 49]

start with 10 of the players you would have in a world cup final, the other 5 should be players who are hoping to make that prospective 15 but wouldnt be first choice.strong bench and win the game v usa. Full strenght 15 v aus. no way should we go full choice v usa , if we cant beat em with 10 certain starters from 15 we shouldnt be there in first place.

[The Outlaw]

because our form has been so poor. we have to play the full whack against USA. Obviously healy is out.

[Ulster's Best]

because our form has been so poor. we have to play the full whack against USA. Obviously healy is out.

And not just the poor form, Outlaw, but at least as much so the fact that certain guys have either missed a lot of rugby last season and/or had their warm-up campaigns curtailed eg Kearney, Bowe, O'Driscoll, D'Arcy, Flannery, Ferris. A mix of lack of game-time and failure to click (possibly related) means USA match becomes another (virtually) full-team run out ahead of Australia.

[mtcmolloy]

could imagine healy and heaslip sitting out usa, and seeing mushy on at loose head ? would they chance that like v connacht? hope not, but wouldn't suprise me.

Of all the selections in the pool, SOB vs Pocock sounds the most juicy.. Great challenge for SOB if it comes about.

[Aussiedub]

could imagine healy and heaslip sitting out usa, and seeing mushy on at loose head ? would they chance that like v connacht? hope not, but wouldn't suprise me.

Of all the selections in the pool, SOB vs Pocock sounds the most juicy.. Great challenge for SOB if it comes about.

SOB hasn't a hope of matching it with Pocock

[Cowboy]

Might be completely wrong but looking at the photos from the teams training on the IRFU website I think Connor Murray might just be starting. The bibs seem to be on subs perhaps? (a long shot I know)

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Starting front row?

[Dowlinz]

If true the front row is obviously expected but I wonder in the wisdom to play Murray, I mean Reddan is a certainty for Oz right? Shouldn't he be getting some time under his belt?

[JohnnyQ]

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rwc/23850.php
There's more here with Healy front row, Buckley too and with Reddan all in red. Seem to be switching it around, I wouldn't read too much into it.

[MunsterTel]

If true the front row is obviously expected but I wonder in the wisdom to play Murray, I mean Reddan is a certainty for Oz right? Shouldn't he be getting some time under his belt?

Did you not see Reddens last few games? He might have had a good year with Leinster but considering his form in years gone by I wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes back to that. You can't argue with that. Murray to start. He's number 1 IMHO cos he's yet to buckle in the few situations that've been put in front of him.

[munstergirl]

Frankie Sheahan is running a competition on twitter for a weekend break in the Burlington Hotel for fans who select the same starting 15 line up for Declan Kidney's Line up for the USA game. Great tips on this site. You can enter the competition here. http://frontrow.ie/blog/?p=714

[The Last Stand]

Did you not see Reddens last few games? He might have had a good year with Leinster but considering his form in years gone by I wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes back to that. You can't argue with that. Murray to start. He's number 1 IMHO cos he's yet to buckle in the few situations that've been put in front of him.

Did he score any tries? Memorable breaks? Etc etc

He did what was asked of him. Huge promise but he is not there yet.

[Dowlinz]

Did you not see Reddens last few games? He might have had a good year with Leinster but considering his form in years gone by I wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes back to that. You can't argue with that. Murray to start. He's number 1 IMHO cos he's yet to buckle in the few situations that've been put in front of him.

Yes I know Reddan is terrible and its beyond me why stringer isn't here, it really is but you can't say Murray is number 1 on the grounds that he hasn't played bad yet, he hasn't had the chance to and you could argue he did against England in that short time space. I'm pretty much resigned to Reddan at this stage when the alternatives are inexperience and proven reserve quality.

[MunsterTel]

Did he score any tries? Memorable breaks? Etc etc

He did what was asked of him. Huge promise but he is not there yet.

No he's not there yet. But Redden is going backwards. Whats with peoples hesitation to drop a fella when he's blowing cold! Ok if we don't have a replacement fair enough... But we do. Yes Murray hasn't shown brilliance yet but he was adequate as far as a scrum half is concerned. So Murray to start.

This country is the same. When things go tits. Cut your losses. Always clinging on in the hope things will get better on their own...

[McCloud]

Would have thought starting Murray would be a good idea if they are considering him for the squad to play against Oz. They would need to give him more game time at international level.

[born to hula]

Might be completely wrong but looking at the photos from the teams training on the IRFU website I think Connor Murray might just be starting. The bibs seem to be on subs perhaps? (a long shot I know)


Yeah have a gander at the new photos (http://www.irishrugby.ie/galleries/23859.php)

Journo Duncan Bech said on twitter today that in training SOB was in the second team with Kearney and Trimble. Conor Murray was in first team. In those pics the "2nd team" are wearing bibs

[mtcmolloy]

Yes I know Reddan is terrible and its beyond me why stringer isn't here, it really is but you can't say Murray is number 1 on the grounds that he hasn't played bad yet, he hasn't had the chance to and you could argue he did against England in that short time space. I'm pretty much resigned to Reddan at this stage when the alternatives are inexperience and proven reserve quality.
I think that's harsh. Reddan is far from terrible.
I think he is vastly skilled and will benefit from a run of
confidence. He's not world class, but he can do the job,
and can make correct decisions quickly. You cannot
chastise a 9 for throwing an intercept.. it's going to happen
to the best 9s.

Reddan and Murray to play a half each. It matters
little who starts, as long as both get game time. But I would
expect redzer to start given the de facto pecking order (as wardy might say).

[RichardP]

You cannot
chastise a 9 for throwing an intercept.. it's going to happen
to the best 9s.

Stringer got dropped for that and so did O'Leary........well TOL might have had a few other negatives but let's not kid ourselves that Reddan has been playing well, he hasn't. Why not start Murray v USA? He's at least the equal of anything they'll throw at him. If Reddan starts v Australia it isn't like he'll have forgotten even more about rugby in the past two weeks.

[RichardP]

When is the team being announced anyway?

[Cowboy]

I'd see Murray's ability to hit both Genia and Cooper a few slaps as a big string to his bow. He also enters the defensive line more than any other 9 on our books (I include Tomas in that list by the by) he rarely falls behind to play sweeper. He could annoy the opposition a lot more than Red does. But I think there is a place for both of them. It would be some rise if Murray did start this weekend. Just shows how far you can get with a bit of timing, luck and no small amount of talent.

[McCloud]

When is the team being announced anyway? The early hours of Friday morning.

Edit According to the IRFU 2.15am Irish time

[RichardP]

Thanks McCloud

[MunsterTel]

The early hours of Friday morning.

Edit According to the IRFU 2.15am Irish time

Alarm set. G'WANNNN MURRAY :)

[NiallGK]

On RTÉ, Victor Costello just predicted that Murray will start against USA along with a full strength team.

[lactose intolerant]

He also enters the defensive line more than any other 9 on our books (I include Tomas in that list by the by) he rarely falls behind to play sweeper

Is this necessarily a good thing? (genuine question)
TOL has saved our asses playing sweeper on a number of occasions

[Ulster's Best]

On RTÉ, Victor Costello just predicted that Murray will start against USA along with a full strength team.

Big Vic has been reading the Indo, so!

Would be happy enough to see Murray starting - and if he goes well to keep him in v Oz

[Thomond78]

I think that's harsh. Reddan is far from terrible.
I think he is vastly skilled and will benefit from a run of
confidence. He's not world class, but he can do the job,
and can make correct decisions quickly. You cannot
chastise a 9 for throwing an intercept.. it's going to happen
to the best 9s.

Reddan and Murray to play a half each. It matters
little who starts, as long as both get game time. But I would
expect redzer to start given the de facto pecking order (as wardy might say).

I can chastise him when it happens repeatedly. Reddan just isn't playing well.

[Ulster's Best]

I can chastise him when it happens repeatedly. Reddan just isn't playing well.

Reddan is an intercept waiting to happen. In the same way we've unfortunately got edgy about Rory at lineout time, I be waiting for him to get his passes picked off. And unlike eg O'Leary (at his best) or Stringer (in his heyday) I'm not sure Reddan offers sufficient redeeming qualities to live with that.

[cajjac]

We have to go with a the strongest team possible, various units need the match time. You can do all the training drills you want but there is no substitute for actual match time. Only issue is they may not want to show all their back moves and line out options before the Oz game. But the first team need the win and the game time together

[Ropaire]

According to a member of the touring party on Leinsterfans this is the 22 for USA:

15.Murphy
14.Bowe
13.BOD
12.D'Arcy
11.Earls
10.Sexton
9.Murray
1.Court
2.Best
3.Ross
4.DOC
5.POC
6.Ferris
7.Jennings
8.Heaslip

Fla, Buckley, Ryan, Leamy, Reddan, Rog, Trimble

[Ulster's Best]

According to a member of the touring party on Leinsterfans this is the 22 for USA:

15.Murphy
14.Bowe
13.BOD
12.D'Arcy
11.Earls
10.Sexton
9.Murray
1.Court
2.Best
3.Ross
4.DOC
5.POC
6.Ferris
7.Jennings
8.Heaslip

Fla, Buckley, Ryan, Leamy, Reddan, Rog, Trimble


Trimby would appear unlucky if this is the case but maybe, having played all four warm-ups, this is his match off. Though Earls played a lot too didn't he? Thought Flannery would have started this one, not least to get him a start and thus give Deccie an option for the Aussie game. ROG bit unlucky too if this indicates Sexton is still first choice but no real complaints. D'Arcy and BOD need to play together. Sort of like Ryan on bench but what happens if POC goes off - neither of the Dunchers can call lineouts.

[Ulster's Best]

Trimby would appear unlucky if this is the case but maybe, having played all four warm-ups, this is his match off. Though Earls played a lot too didn't he? Thought Flannery would have started this one, not least to get him a start and thus give Deccie an option for the Aussie game. ROG bit unlucky too if this indicates Sexton is still first choice but no real complaints. D'Arcy and BOD need to play together. Sort of like Ryan on bench but what happens if POC goes off - neither of the Dunchers can call lineouts.

[i_like_cake]

According to a member of the touring party on Leinsterfans this is the 22 for USA:

15.Murphy
14.Bowe
13.BOD
12.D'Arcy
11.Earls
10.Sexton
9.Murray
1.Court
2.Best
3.Ross
4.DOC
5.POC
6.Ferris
7.Jennings
8.Heaslip

Fla, Buckley, Ryan, Leamy, Reddan, Rog, Trimble

Excellent bench.... but when we meet the bog boys we are so weak at prop it's gonna kill us....
also weak at 15, 12, 4 and 7.....

like that team though for giving a pasting to the yanks..... Bowe for at least 2 tries.... BOD for 2...... Heaslip for 2.....

[Benji]

I'd be happy with most of that team but would have started fla and have kearney on the bench

[Ulster's Best]

I'd be happy with most of that team but would have started fla and have kearney on the bench

For gametime for Kearney? I think they're right to replicate what will be done in the bigger games ie Trimble and Earls both in the 22. Happy with either Kearney or Murphy at fullback but don't think either of them plays wing as well as Earls can cover fullback.

[lactose intolerant]

team just tweeted bu Michael Corcoran

MichaelC_RTE (http://twitter.com/#%21/MichaelC_RTE) Michael Corcoran



irl team v USA, GM, TB, BOD, GD, KE, JS, CMurray, TC, RB, MR, DOC, POC, SF, SJenn, JH. Reps, JF, TB, DRyan, DL, ER, ROG and AT

[lactose intolerant]

in other words....exactly how Leinster fans have it!!

[Talking Sense]

Good team, should beat the eagles comfortably.

Worrying that Fla is not starting, I wonder what that means for the Aus game. Seems that SOB is being saved for the Aus game, surely Jennings will drop out then. Harsh on Trimble, he deserved to start ahead of both wingers but Earls in particular can count himself lucky. Think Murphy is the right call at FB, Kearney seems to have constant injury niggles and is seriously lacking games. Delighted for Murray, well done DK for having the guts to put him in, he is our best 9. Happy for Ryan to make the bench but surprised that he did, Leo might get in there for the Aus game.

[Kevin77]

Good team, should beat the eagles comfortably.

Worrying that Fla is not starting, I wonder what that means for the Aus game. Seems that SOB is being saved for the Aus game, surely Jennings will drop out then. Harsh on Trimble, he deserved to start ahead of both wingers but Earls in particular can count himself lucky. Think Murphy is the right call at FB, Kearney seems to have constant injury niggles and is seriously lacking games. Delighted for Murray, well done DK for having the guts to put him in, he is our best 9. Happy for Ryan to make the bench but surprised that he did, Leo might get in there for the Aus game.

Agreed about Flannery. I'd like to have seen him starting. Although he might just get 30 mins and then pending how he goes start against Aus. Though I'd think this selection means Kidney will keep him on bench for Aus game.

As for Earls, I still think Earls and Bowe are our two best attacking threats. Earls can create something one on one. I realise he hasn't shown it this season, but a game on the wing will help that. Worst case he has another shocker Trimble is ready. Agree on Murphy, would still love to have a fully fit Kearney though. But gotta play the cards we have.

Delighted with Murray. It feels like the right call. I hope Murray can impose himself.

Ryan is the one I was really thinking might happen ahead of Cullen. Cullen will start against Russia, but Ryan not only has more impact off the bench, he can also cover the back row, which given the injuries there (Ferris especially) is an added bonus.

Whatever happens, the bench looks good and throw in Kearney, O'Brien and Healy it's an even stronger 22.

All we have to do is take out what our eyes have seen the past 5 weeks and pray that the term 'form is temporary yet class is permanent' really applies.

[Ulster's Best]

Agreed about Flannery. I'd like to have seen him starting. Although he might just get 30 mins and then pending how he goes start against Aus. Though I'd think this selection means Kidney will keep him on bench for Aus game.

As for Earls, I still think Earls and Bowe are our two best attacking threats. Earls can create something one on one. I realise he hasn't shown it this season, but a game on the wing will help that. Worst case he has another shocker Trimble is ready. Agree on Murphy, would still love to have a fully fit Kearney though. But gotta play the cards we have.

Delighted with Murray. It feels like the right call. I hope Murray can impose himself.

Ryan is the one I was really thinking might happen ahead of Cullen. Cullen will start against Russia, but Ryan not only has more impact off the bench, he can also cover the back row, which given the injuries there (Ferris especially) is an added bonus.

Whatever happens, the bench looks good and throw in Kearney, O'Brien and Healy it's an even stronger 22.

All we have to do is take out what our eyes have seen the past 5 weeks and pray that the term 'form is temporary yet class is permanent' really applies.

What will work in Cullen's favour though is that the Dunchers don't call lineouts.

[youngmunster]

I woulden't worry about Flannery not starting if he gets another 30mins or so thats good enough! everything going well with Fla means he will probably start against OZ. Great news for Conor Murray, I say he is up there with a few that has started his first full international cap in the first game of the WC??

[youngmunster]

Munster scrum-half Conor Murray will wear the number nine jersey for Ireland in their opening World Cup clash with the USA.
The 22-year-old Murray, the youngest member of the Irish squad, has made just two appearances for Ireland, both off the bench in World Cup warm-up games.
Despite his inexperience at international and domestic level (he has never played in the Heineken Cup), Murray gets the nod over more senior campaignerss, Issac Boss and Eoin Reddan.
Ireland coach Declan Kidney admits it's a bit of a gamble starting with Murray but it's a necessary one.
"Conor's been going well in training and we said we'd judge it off that. If we're to know more about him, now's the time to know," said Kidney.
"He deserves a go and we think he's good enough to start. It's a big call given it's our first game in the World Cup, but what he's been doing merits his inclusion."
Murray will be partnered by Jonathan Sexton at fly-half, with Ronan O'Gara named amongst the substitutes.
Despite being passed fit earlier in the week, flanker Sean O'Brien and full-back Rob Kearney will take no part in the clash, with the duo rested as a precaution.
Shane Jennings and Geordan Murphy are the men to benefit from the decision.
Having recovered from a calf injury, Gordon D'Arcy regains his place at inside centre.
Despite a handful of strong performances during Ireland's warm-up games, Andrew Trimble has to make do with a place on the bench with Tommy Bowe and Keith Earls named on the wings.
Rugby World Cup betting odds (http://www.skybet.com/betting/rugby-union/world-cup/t10005371.html)
Ireland: 15 Geordan Murphy, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Brian O'Driscoll (capt), 12 Gordan D'Arcy, 11 Keith Earls, 10 Jonathan Sexton, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Jamie Heaslip,7 Shane Jennings, 6 Stephen Ferris, 5 Paul O'Connell, 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 Mike Ross, 2 Rory Best, 1 Tom Court
Replacements: 16 Jerry Flannery, 17 Tony Buckley, 18 Donnacha Ryan, 19 Denis Leamy, 20 Eoin Reddan, 21 Ronan O'Gara, 22 Andrew Trimble.
Date: Sunday, September 11
Venue: New Plymouth
Kick-off: 18:00 (06:00 GMT)
Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Assistant referees: Nigel Owens (Wales), Carlo Damasco (Italy)
Television match official: Graham Hughes (England)

[Ulster's Best]

Six months ago Earls would have been ahead of Trimble in the left wing pecking order. Following Trimble's strong showing in the warm-up games is Kidney simply saying he's had more game time than anyone so far and is being rotated for this game, or is this an indication that Deccie still has Earls ahead of Trimble in his mind do we think? I thought six months ago that Earls had it nailed down but Trimble has done very well in recent weeks. Earls maybe bit better bench option in terms of versatility and impact. Either way a position of strength.

[Benji]

For gametime for Kearney? I think they're right to replicate what will be done in the bigger games ie Trimble and Earls both in the 22. Happy with either Kearney or Murphy at fullback but don't think either of them plays wing as well as Earls can cover fullback.

Yes kearney needs gametime in the same way flannery does and maybe more.
We need kearney fit. I'd say Trimble is ahead of earls. His been in good form while earls has been playing crap. No argument if picking on form .
Good decision at 9. Team should be good enough to put up a good score.

[McCloud]

Delighted for Murray.

[mr chips]

Yup, well done to the lad. Hope he has a stormer.

After feeling so underwhelmed by the buildup to the thing, now that it's finally here I'm started to feel a slight frisson of excitement and anticipation. Goddammit anyway, I think we can go far.

[lactose intolerant]

Yup, well done to the lad. Hope he has a stormer.

After feeling so underwhelmed by the buildup to the thing, now that it's finally here I'm started to feel a slight frisson of excitement and anticipation. Goddammit anyway, I think we can go far.

**** it chippy.....can we all the way?

[Pixie]

Great Murray gets the field, hope he takes it in his stride and gets the benefit of the experience.Agree I think he is potentially our best No9, not a big fan of Reddan,think Strings is better. Hope Earls shows himself, not been in the best of form recently, think he is trying too hard he needs a good game to get back into it.

[LeakyBoots]

Delighted for Murray, hopefully he'll take his chance. I'd still start Fla ahead of Best, it'll be interesting to see how the lineouts go

[Cowboy]

12 of the 22 raised in Munster. I hope we paste the Yanks. Watching the anthems for the kiwis now and I cant wait for Sunday morning. COME ON IRELAND

[Boo-boo]

I am delighted by that team but would hope for a sub in the hooker quick enough. Sorry, Rory!
I feel invigourated and excited by a fresh looking hope that is lining up for Sunday or is that Saturday? Maybe I should ask Euan Murray which day it is. He definitley know a Sunday. Okay, I am confused now but I think it is Sunday morning that I need to watch the game.

C'MON IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mr chips]

**** it chippy.....can we all the way?

Have you ever been so far even as decided to use go want to look more like?




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[Tobyglen]

Conor O' Shea giving Murray a huge vote of confidence. He's visibly excited by him & said rarely has he seen a player with so much time on the ball. Ireland hasn't produced a top class SH in donkeys years so that's a big call.
Well Conor sunshine...myself & Lactose have been saying this for years you intellectual robbing Kerry animal.

[Drick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fImXnGGdYQ4

[John Cooper Clarke]

Conor O' Shea giving Murray a huge vote of confidence. He's visibly excited by him....

Not a good mental image :D

[fitzy73]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fImXnGGdYQ4

They say you learn from your mistakes Eddie (mumble... you must be a genius).

:D:D:D

[Tobyglen]

Not a good mental image :D
:D

[Boo-boo]

They say you learn from your mistakes Eddie (mumble... you must be a genius).

:D:D:D
That was the best line alright!:D

[Liam2me]

delighted for Murray, and a big boost to our chances if he can perform as the other 2 are average at best.

[Evil Omer]

I'd hope he's bringing Flannery back through in parts, considering last two times he returned he broke down quickly. He can start against Oz if he gets another part game under his belt. Earls is lucky but then it might be on the Murphy call. Murphy tends to play an unexpected game and Earls and BOD are the same, are we looking for off the cuff broken play stuff to tear them apart. Trimble is much more direct but he's been the best wing to date this season so he is unlucky.

[John Cooper Clarke]

I'd hope he's bringing Flannery back through in parts, considering last two times he returned he broke down quickly...

He's played a few cameos in the warm up games, and hasn't broken down yet :p

[Daithi]

A very smart selection overall yet again by Dk.

Murray -proper order, he's in form in a position of weakness for Ireland, this is the game to put it up to him to nail down 9 spot v Aus.

Earls v Trimble, I'd say Trimble has spot v Aus, but they want Earls to play wing and settle back to form so that then he has played nearly all the spots he will likely cover as utility sub. This is smart because regardless we'll see Earls play some part of every game.

Murphy- smart
Jennings- smart- didn't play well in August, dropped from squad and now with SOB being cotton wooled, this gives him a chance to settle- plain smart.

Best over Fla- this is the one I'm puzzled by tbh!? Maybe he feels Best's set piece was so poor in August he wants him to get some confidence back and back used to finding Donners, Poc & Heaslip consistently in a test. Perhaps he just wants to give one of the squad leaders a fair shot, or maybe he doesn't want to over risk Fla (e.g. 20-30 mins off bench will do fine)... not sure but i hope to see Fla start v Aus, Italy & 1/4 final opponent (or IMHO we can kiss our ass goodbye!!)

Rest of the team are the test Xv +. Again overall an uber smart selection by Kidney!!

C'mon Ireland!!

[Evil Omer]

He's played a few cameos in the warm up games, and hasn't broken down yet :p

yeah but he had two shots at coming back with Munster and broke down relatively quickly in those, it's not a bad move to increase his game time each time. Hooker is one of those positions where you have to have an experienced player so if he came on early against USA and had an issue we should be allowed to bring Best back on (safety etc). Whereas I doubt if DK would want the situation of starting Flannery, Best coming on, picking up a knock and having to put Flannery back on so close to Aus game. (Just a thought).

[Ulster's Best]

I'm surprised Flannery isn't starting here to bring him closer to full match fitness ahead of Oz game, giving Kidney the option of picking him for that. Best starting here may suggest that Kidney is more conservative in his view of Flannery's role in the next few weeks OR, as some here hope or think, he may be earmarked to start against Oz and Deccie doesn't want to flog him.

[The Last Stand]

I'm surprised Flannery isn't starting here to bring him closer to full match fitness ahead of Oz game, giving Kidney the option of picking him for that. Best starting here may suggest that Kidney is more conservative in his view of Flannery's role in the next few weeks OR, as some here hope or think, he may be earmarked to start against Oz and Deccie doesn't want to flog him.

What is interesting that the opposition do not know who he will pick either.

[Ulster's Best]

What is interesting that the opposition do not know who he will pick either.

Yeah. As in 2007 it's hard to call. Sadly, Rory's throwing seems to be more of an issue now than then though and Fla has had his injury problems. So although they've four years extra experience without being over the hill, like say Hayes, we're not really better off than then.

[Stringer9]

Delighted for Murray. I really hope he does well, not just for him, but if he doesn't we're absolutely ****ed because Reddan has been poor, and Boss is worse than Reddan.

I can see why he started the team he did, but I think it's a little bit to experimental for me, we've been that off form, a good game against USA for our starters would have done the world of good.

Still, it's DK, I guess he knows best, and somehow we've still got to believe that he's still the same sneaky cunning fecker who did so well for us at Munster, has us all believing that we're struggling and have them pull it out of the bag when we needed it most.
How many times were we written off and came out and played some of our better games. It made everyone look like a fool to doubt us. And had the geniuses in the studio repeat the term sheer bloody mindedness of it all, to describe us.

Surely he can transfer that magic to the Irish scene. I mean you just don't loose all that over night right. The game hasn't changed that much.

Keep the faith, and surely these boys will pull through for us.
Munster defied logic many times, and as hard as it is to admit it, the Leinster lads have done all right for themselves as well.

They want it. That should be enough. They know what's at stake, they need to rectify the last world cup, but right the wrongs, not just for us, but for themselves.

We have to trust the fact now that they all know what they're doing, and lets get behind them.

[Daithi]

I'm surprised Flannery isn't starting here to bring him closer to full match fitness ahead of Oz game, giving Kidney the option of picking him for that. Best starting here may suggest that Kidney is more conservative in his view of Flannery's role in the next few weeks OR, as some here hope or think, he may be earmarked to start against Oz and Deccie doesn't want to flog him.

hmmm, its a puzzler alright. i think your latter point and what myself and EvilO are trying to suggest is the probable reasoning i.e. Fla is only just getting back to match fitness and could easily break down, USA will be fired up like they're facing Jihad itself, Best probably needs a bit of quality time at 2, so go with Best to start and bring Fla on with 30 to play and satisfy all those varying factors. At least I hope that's the reasoning...

[Ulster's Best]

Delighted for Murray. I really hope he does well, not just for him, but if he doesn't we're absolutely ****ed because Reddan has been poor, and Boss is worse than Reddan.

I can see why he started the team he did, but I think it's a little bit to experimental for me, we've been that off form, a good game against USA for our starters would have done the world of good.

Still, it's DK, I guess he knows best, and somehow we've still got to believe that he's still the same sneaky cunning fecker who did so well for us at Munster, has us all believing that we're struggling and have them pull it out of the bag when we needed it most.
How many times were we written off and came out and played some of our better games. It made everyone look like a fool to doubt us. And had the geniuses in the studio repeat the term sheer bloody mindedness of it all, to describe us.

Surely he can transfer that magic to the Irish scene. I mean you just don't loose all that over night right. The game hasn't changed that much.

Keep the faith, and surely these boys will pull through for us.
Munster defied logic many times, and as hard as it is to admit it, the Leinster lads have done all right for themselves as well.

They want it. That should be enough. They know what's at stake, they need to rectify the last world cup, but right the wrongs, not just for us, but for themselves.

We have to trust the fact now that they all know what they're doing, and lets get behind them.

Depends on your perspective as to how experimental it is - Sexton may well be Deccie's first choice outhalf, likewise Best (by default or otherwise) has been first choice hooker. He may be giving Murray a go to play his way into the main team. O'Brien and Kearney weren't risked - and fullback should still be a coin toss anyway. Whatever about Trimble's form, Earls is a live contender for left wing. And apart from Healy being ruled out of this one, everyone else is playing. Very little experimentation for the sake of it (as Deccie would see it) - either it isn't really experimentation (eg Earls, Sexton) or it's a means to a potential end (eg Murray) or it's semi-enforced (eg Jennings).

[The Last Stand]

Delighted for Murray. I really hope he does well, not just for him, but if he doesn't we're absolutely ****ed because Reddan has been poor, and Boss is worse than Reddan.

I can see why he started the team he did, but I think it's a little bit to experimental for me, we've been that off form, a good game against USA for our starters would have done the world of good.

Still, it's DK, I guess he knows best, and somehow we've still got to believe that he's still the same sneaky cunning fecker who did so well for us at Munster, has us all believing that we're struggling and have them pull it out of the bag when we needed it most.
How many times were we written off and came out and played some of our better games. It made everyone look like a fool to doubt us. And had the geniuses in the studio repeat the term sheer bloody mindedness of it all, to describe us.

Surely he can transfer that magic to the Irish scene. I mean you just don't loose all that over night right. The game hasn't changed that much.

Keep the faith, and surely these boys will pull through for us.
Munster defied logic many times, and as hard as it is to admit it, the Leinster lads have done all right for themselves as well.

They want it. That should be enough. They know what's at stake, they need to rectify the last world cup, but right the wrongs, not just for us, but for themselves.

We have to trust the fact now that they all know what they're doing, and lets get behind them.

Good post

[Ulster's Best]

hmmm, its a puzzler alright. i think your latter point and what myself and EvilO are trying to suggest is the probable reasoning i.e. Fla is only just getting back to match fitness and could easily break down, USA will be fired up like they're facing Jihad itself, Best probably needs a bit of quality time at 2, so go with Best to start and bring Fla on with 30 to play and satisfy all those varying factors. At least I hope that's the reasoning...

I hope for Ireland's sake that a) Rory's throwing goes well v USA and that b) the management are confident in Flannery's fitness . . . we need options and depth for this World Cup ie strong, experienced players fully fit and in form. Then Kidney is in a good position rather than worrying over Flannery's 'fitness' or Best's 'flakiness'

[Ulster's Best]

Daithi,
I hope for Ireland's sake that a) Rory's throwing goes well v USA and that b) the management are confident in Flannery's fitness . . . we need options and depth for this World Cup ie strong, experienced players fully fit and in form. Then Kidney is in a good position rather than worrying over Flannery's 'fitness' or Best's 'flakiness'

[bugler]

Experimental..?!

[Daithi]

Daithi,
I hope for Ireland's sake that a) Rory's throwing goes well v USA and that b) the management are confident in Flannery's fitness . . . we need options and depth for this World Cup ie strong, experienced players fully fit and in form. Then Kidney is in a good position rather than worrying over Flannery's 'fitness' or Best's 'flakiness'
+1 Indeed a combo of both maybe best option (scuze the pun) for Ireland. It's a hard attritional position and a great place to introduce a fresh warrior for the final 20 in any game. I see this selection as Dk's way of getting them set up for that kind of duo.

[The Outlaw]

How is trimble not starting? Shocking.

[the plastic paddy]

How is trimble not starting? Shocking.Maybe he has played enough rugby in August and is being given a break. On anything we have seen, AT is first choice 14 but pi**ing about with Earls at 13 means he deserves a run in his HEC provincial position. Cracking management for me, Keith is getting his chance to stake a claim for the 15, guaranteed to be in the 22 come the Aussies.

[Ulster's Best]

Maybe he has played enough rugby in August and is being given a break. On anything we have seen, AT is first choice 14 but pi**ing about with Earls at 13 means he deserves a run in his HEC provincial position. Cracking management for me, Keith is getting his chance to stake a claim for the 15, guaranteed to be in the 22 come the Aussies.

You mean 11 obviously but not a bad theory.

[Grandpasimpson]

I'm starting to get really excited now, good team management by DK, I have a really good feeling about the next few weeks!

[The Outlaw]

Maybe he has played enough rugby in August and is being given a break. On anything we have seen, AT is first choice 14 but pi**ing about with Earls at 13 means he deserves a run in his HEC provincial position. Cracking management for me, Keith is getting his chance to stake a claim for the 15, guaranteed to be in the 22 come the Aussies.

Dire in my view.

[JoeyFantastic]

Dire in my view.

Hard to know, Trimble has done enough to be ahead of Earls, who is indifferent enough form, but Earls still has the pace that none of the other backs has.

[JohnnyQ]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/british-hacks-have-a-crooked-view-when-it-comes-to-slurs-on-wallabies-scrum-20110909-1k26h.html
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
There's a few truths mixed in amongst the madness

[Ulster's Best]

Not trying to be funny here or provocative, because O'Gara and Flannery may well have been picked ahead of Sexton and Best without anyone complaining, but in some ways the two controversial/surprise selections for tomorrow are Murray starting ahead of Reddan and Earls instead of Trimble. Wonder was there some consideration given to the importance of not having only two Munster players (POC and DOC) in the team in case it caused ripples down your way? Given that many Munster fans seem to prefer Munster to Ireland, if you were outnumbered 7-2 by Leinster and 4-2 by Ulster, the IRFU may have feared further drift. Probably nothing it it, but just a thought?

[The Last Stand]

Not trying to be funny here or provocative, because O'Gara and Flannery may well have been picked ahead of Sexton and Best without anyone complaining, but in some ways the two controversial/surprise selections for tomorrow are Murray starting ahead of Reddan and Earls instead of Trimble. Wonder was there some consideration given to the importance of not having only two Munster players (POC and DOC) in the team in case it caused ripples down your way? Given that many Munster fans seem to prefer Munster to Ireland, if you were outnumbered 7-2 by Leinster and 4-2 by Ulster, the IRFU may have feared further drift. Probably nothing it it, but just a thought?

I doubt that very much. Me thinks you may be stirring here.

I would have no complaints if Trimble starts next week as he has been the form player. It is touch and go between ROG and Sexton. DOC and POC are still the best options at 2nd row. A fit Fla probably offers more than Best except in the scrum.

Do you differ?

[Ulster's Best]

I doubt that very much. Me thinks you may be stirring here.

I would have no complaints if Trimble starts next week as he has been the form player. It is touch and go between ROG and Sexton. DOC and POC are still the best options at 2nd row. A fit Fla probably offers more than Best except in the scrum.

Do you differ?

Not at all - Trimble/Earls is a toss up as KE was ahead six months ago and AT had a good warm-up programme, ROG and JS is 50-50 with ROG probably more deserving (if that counts), Flannery is notionally first choice hooker (I say notionally as injuries have plagued him and muddied the waters), DOC and POC are clear first choice second rows, I'd pick Leamy ahead of Jennings with Ferris at 7 if push came to shove, and of course Wally would be about the first name on the teamsheet if fit. Further more Ross and Reddan are Munstermen anyway - so no not stirring either. Just occurred to me though when I saw a provincial breakdown somewhere of tomorrow's team and thought about the close calls.

[Daithi]

DK won't even consider what Hec team each player plays for now, all he sees now is 30/22/15 Irish players now & he'll select them and utilise them just as that!! C'mon Ireland!!

[Ulster's Best]

DK won't even consider what Hec team each player plays for now, all he sees now is 30/22/15 Irish players now & he'll select them and utilise them just as that!! C'mon Ireland!!

Deccie wouldn't but IRFU might. You know the way some people here suggest from time to time that there may be directives about eg picking an Ulster player or two. Some thought that Duffy was picked last time because he was a Connacht man - or that McCarthy might get in this time for the same reason even though Cronin (a Munsterman now attached to Leinster) kind of ticks the box to an extent.

C'mon Ireland indeed!

[Ulster's Best]

How many places would we say are still up for grabs against Australi?a - assuming Healy fit and Jennings not going to start against Australia (which would call all back row into question) I'd say 15, 11, 10, 9 and 2. Hard to read from USA selection how exactly Deccie sees those positions panning out.

[Benny]

Looking forward to this game in the moning. I think it is a nice start for Ireland to get themselves going before they face the difficult but by no means impossible task of trying to defeat Australia.
Some players are coming off absences/injuries/dodgy form and this game will do them good to put them spot on for the following week. As long as Ireland win somewhat convincingly, including getting some tries from, especially, the backline they will go into the Aussie game with confidence.
Hopefully Murray has a great game and can stake a claim for at least a place in the 22 next week. I would say Kidney doesn't really want to name Boss at all in the 22 if he can help it.

No team should be disregarded and we have already seen today that the "smaller" teams can be dangerous if allowed to be. However Ireland really should be winning this without a huge degree of fuss.

[Ulster's Best]

Looking forward to this game in the moning. I think it is a nice start for Ireland to get themselves going before they face the difficult but by no means impossible task of trying to defeat Australia.
Some players are coming off absences/injuries/dodgy form and this game will do them good to put them spot on for the following week. As long as Ireland win somewhat convincingly, including getting some tries from, especially, the backline they will go into the Aussie game with confidence.
Hopefully Murray has a great game and can stake a claim for at least a place in the 22 next week. I would say Kidney doesn't really want to name Boss at all in the 22 if he can help it.

No team should be disregarded and we have already seen today that the "smaller" teams can be dangerous if allowed to be. However Ireland really should be winning this without a huge degree of fuss.

I think how we win matters a bit in terms of confidence, form, feel-good factor.

[munstershane]

My biggest conundrum is go to bed early and get up at 4 to watch the matches or stay up all night?

[the plastic paddy]

Hoping for a bit of a confidence booster for fans as well as players, Bonus point win with no injuries please rugby Gods. And then onto the Aussies.

[Boo-boo]

Ohhhh in bed and waiting for 7am.

What's the 30 seconds of silence about? Could we not stretch to the minute what with our all singing dancing national anthem x factor dooolally bit?

[Ulster's Best]

Ohhhh in bed and waiting for 7am.

What's the 30 seconds of silence about? Could we not stretch to the minute what with our all singing dancing national anthem x factor dooolally bit?

The two hookers do that already - Besty and Fla don't sing.

[The Last Stand]

Ohhhh in bed and waiting for 7am.

What's the 30 seconds of silence about? Could we not stretch to the minute what with our all singing dancing national anthem x factor dooolally bit?

You don't have to wait. Set the alarm for 6.45 and sleep.

Is this the match thread tomorrow?

[MunsterMagic007]

Does anyone know where there will be a link for the game?