Team for France 13/08/11 ( P. 10)

[Blindsider.]

France v Ireland, Bordeaux. 13/08/11 19:45 (Irish Time)

Referee: S Walsh
Asst Ref: D Pearson & S Terheege
TMO: G de Santis

Coverage: Live on RTE2


So - 1 down, 4 to go.

The Irish Management team have a policy of giving game-time to all.

Who should start next Saturday?

(When the team is announced, I will add the Page No. to the thread title.)

[JoeyFantastic]

Horan, Varley, Ross
MOD, McCarthy
SOB, Jennings, Heaslip
Reddan, O'Gara
Jones, Fitz (12), McFadden, Trimble
Kearney

Or swap the centres around, anything to keep Wallace away
from the team. Put Varley in because he's next in line if
Flannery doesn't make it and he should get some gametime.

[bigron2010]

I think we need to win next week.

Healy Fla Buckley
Poc cullen
Mccarthy heaslip Wallace
Boss rog

Felix sexton earls trimble
Kearney

Would be interested in seeing sexton
at 12. Certainly could do no worse
than Wallace.

I am sure people here can remember
a number of successful teams playing
with outhalfs at 10 n 12.

[Delmar O'Donnell]

1. Marcus Horan
2. Rory Best
3. Mike Ross
4. Kevin McLaughlin
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Sean O'Brien
7. Shane Jennings
8. David Wallace
9. Eoin Reddan
10. Ronan O'Gara
11. Luke Fitzgerald
12. Fergus McFadden
13. Keith Earls
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Rob Kearney

16. John Hayes 17. Cian Healy 18. Jerry Flannery 19. Donncha O'Callaghan 20. Jamie Heaslip 21. Tomás O'Leary 22. Paddy Wallace

I'd ease Jerry back again before giving him a start at home against France. The front row has a good scrummaging look to it which will be needed away in France. I also think we need to see how Kevin McLaughlin would get on a this level in the second row if he's to travel as second row/blindside flanker. New midfield partnership there, I'm hesitant to take Earls off the wing but its worth giving him a go there, plus I want to see McFadden at 12 and Earls is the only other real option with BOD supposed to be out for this one.

[dezzy100]

1Healy 2fla 3Buckley


4ryan 5doc


6leamy 8healsip 7sob


9Murray 10sexton


12 fitz 13 earls


11 bowe 14 horgan 15 Jones


Would have bowe and horgan on the wings to help out Jones at 15 and keep him calm and add a pyhsical pressence to the backline and would give Murray a run at 9 so he can sink or swim, and I think he would definatly swim

[Dowlinz]

Healy, Best, Ross
POC DOC
SOB, Wallace, Heaslip
Reddan, ROG
Earls, X, Y, Bowe
Kearney

I'd like Stringer, Flannery and Murphy on the bench and to get 20 minutes at least.

I'm torn what I want at centre, the idea of McFadden/Wallace again unsettles me but then shifting Fitz/Earls/Bowe into the centre isn't appealing either, last thing we want is for one of them to have a howler at centre and for it to damage their confidence, Luke in particular is especially fragile in that regard.

[jimw6]

1 Healey
2 Flannery
3 Ross
4 O'Callaghan
5 O'Connell
6 O'Brien
7 Jennings
8 Heaslip
9 O'Leary
10 Sexton
11 Trimble
12 Earls
13 McFadden
14 Bowe
15 Kearney

16 Best
17 Buckley
18 Ryan
19 Wallace
20 Reddan
21 O'Gara
22 Fitzgerald

[Aussiedub]

Healy, Best, Ross


Cullen, POC


Ryan, Jennings, Heaslip


Reddan, Sexton


Luke, McFadden, Earls, Bowe


Kearney


Flannery, Horan, Buckley, Wallace, McLaughlin, Boss, ROG

[blackadder II]

Introduce a few more first teamers to get
them some match fitness although they'll
still be a bit rusty

1 Healy
2 Flannery
3 Hayes
4 Ryan
5 POC
6 McLaughlin
7 Wallace
8 Heaslip
9 Reddan
10 ROG
11 Trimble
12 McFadden
13 Earls
13 Bowe
15 Jones

[Mcork]

I'm presuming the plan is to play as close to the 1st XV as possible after giving the fringe players a shot v the Scots. France will play a full strenght side injury permitting as they have only the 2 games v us before they start the RWC.


In that case, nothing happened yesterday to disturb the pack that started v England: It picks itself now which is both reassuring and worrying to the same degree. Reassuring due to settled look and quality of player, worrying dud to lack of competition (god forbid an injury as the back-up are not of the same quality): Healy, Best, Ross, DO'C, PO'C, O'Brien, Heaslip, Wallace. The only question is whether he feels Fla is ready to start but it is more likely that he'll see 20-30mins.


The backs is more complicated due to injury and more choice/less quality difference between the pretendors. Scrumhalf: Probably Reddan, I'm holding out hope that Murray gets a chance from the bench. Is O'Gara fit to start? Centre is the area of most concern. McFadden @ 12, Earls @ 13 is worth a shot. A big test for both againstFrance but one which they can both handle individually (having both played HEC in that position against quality French teams in France). The question is how they do as a unit. Back 3: Fitz, Bowe & Kearney.If Murray/Sexton started that would be a very youthful backline.


I know it is never good to lose but like yesterday, the result isn't paramount. The next result that counts is USA, individual and unit performances are what counts for now and hopefully no injuries.

[kahalui]

Surprised by the absence of FJ in most of the above 22s

[Flanimal]

I hope he plays 2/3rd the certain team, and 1/3 the fringes with a chance of playing. The likes of Jones, Horgan, earls i hope get starts.

ANd if sexton is starting, hopefully Boss starts- he's better than reddan.

Will be interesting to see if anyone else (like Horan) is tried to
cross=prop as an alternative to Court.

[kahalui]

Will be interesting to see if anyone else (like
Horan) is tried to
cross=prop as an alternative to Court.
These issues should have been dealt with before now. Its not like Court
had been overly convincing for Ire up until sat. Tall/Impossible order
turning Horan into an intl standard TH cover with only a few games to
go before the WC.

[Dowlinz]

Have I missed something with regards Shane Horgan? Last I heard he was having surgery, was not involved in the training squad and was seen as a no-hoper for the world cup.

Will be interesting
to see if anyone else (like
Horan) is tried to
cross=prop as an alternative to Court.
These issues should have been dealt with before now. Its
not like Court
had been overly convincing in for Ire up until sat.
Tall/Impossible order
turning Horan into an intl standard TH cover with only a few
games to
go before the WC.


Court has been a revelation in the past year - in terms of
how poor he is at this standard. Horan would be hard
pushed to be worse.

[kahalui]

ut


Will be
interesting
to see if anyone else (like
Horan) is tried to
cross=prop as an alternative to Court.
These issues should have been dealt with before now. Its
not like Court
had been overly convincing in for Ire up until sat.
Tall/Impossible order
turning Horan into an intl standard TH cover with only a few
games to
go before the WC.


Court has been a revelation in the past year - in terms of
how poor he is at this standard. Horan would be hard
pushed to be worse.
I know, thats why alterative options shouldve been tried sooner.

[Big-al]

1.Healy 2.Best 3.Ross 4.DOC 5. POC 6.McLaughlin 7.SOB 8.Heaslip 9.Reddan 10.Sexton 11.Earls 12. Wallace 13.Fitzgerald 14.Bowe 15. Jones


16.Flannery 17.Court 18.Ryan 19.Wallace 20. Murray 21. McFadden 22.Kearney


I think Fitzgerald is the future Irish 13 so give him a shot at it to see if he can step up to the plate.


Give a game to Mclaughlin at blindside andSOB at opensideto see what they can do then play Wallace at openside the following week.

[Big-al]

Time for a bit of perspective. Australia lost to Samoa at HOME in their 1st test this year with over half of their 1st XV starting.


Samoa are a worse team than Scotland

[sparks]

Any chance of trying TOL in the centre?? I know it has been mentioned before, I think it would be good to try out while we can

[Munsterboy]

Time to start bringing in the first teamers, mixing in
some fringe lads to see how the combinations go.

Horan, Fla, Ross
POC, MOD
McLaughlin, Heaslip, Jennings (if fit, if not SOB)
Earls, Reddan, Rog, McFadden, BOD, Fitz, Jones

Bench: Court, Cronin, D Ryan, SOB (or Wally), Murray,
Sexton, Bowe

Would make the following changes after 50-60 mins:
Court for Ross
Cronin for Fla
D Ryan for MOD
Murray for Reddan
Bowe for BOD (Earls to move to the centre)

[Humpty Dumpty]

Time to start bringing in the first
teamers, mixing in
some fringe lads to see how the combinations go.

Horan, Fla, Ross
POC, MOD
McLaughlin, Heaslip, Jennings (if fit, if not SOB)
Earls, Reddan, Rog, McFadden, BOD, Fitz, Jones

Bench: Court, Cronin, D Ryan, SOB (or Wally), Murray,
Sexton, Bowe

Would make the following changes after 50-60 mins:
Court for Ross
Cronin for Fla
D Ryan for MOD
Murray for Reddan
Bowe for BOD (Earls to move to the centre)
Fla is not starting, you can't risk him this soon

[Munsterboy]

Time to start bringing in the first
teamers, mixing in
some fringe lads to see how the combinations go.

Horan, Fla, Ross
POC, MOD
McLaughlin, Heaslip, Jennings (if fit, if not SOB)
Earls, Reddan, Rog, McFadden, BOD, Fitz, Jones

Bench: Court, Cronin, D Ryan, SOB (or Wally), Murray,
Sexton, Bowe

Would make the following changes after 50-60 mins:
Court for Ross
Cronin for Fla
D Ryan for MOD
Murray for Reddan
Bowe for BOD (Earls to move to the centre)
Fla is not starting, you can't risk him this
soon

Disagree.

This soon? We only have 4 games left to the RWC and
he's been out a long time. Need to get him back to his
best and test that calf while there's still time to go to
plan B (bring in Varley) if he breaks down.

If he can't last 50 minutes at this stage he shouldn't be
considered for NZ.

[Cianostays]

1 Healy, 2 Best, 3 Ross, 4 PO'C, 5 Ryan, 6 SO'B, 7 Jennings (if fit), 8 Wallace, 9 Murray, 10 RO'G, 11 Earls, 12 McFadden, 13 Bowe, 14 Trimble, 15 Kearney


16 Flannery, 17 Buckley, 18 Cullen, 19 Heaslip, 20 Reddan, 21 P Wallace, 22 Jones


That would be my starting front row for the Australia match. I don't believe it's realistic that Fla can get himself fit enough to start our most important match. He could make a very useful 20 mins shift but not to start imo.

If the logic is that Cullen is PO'C's replacement than we should have a look at a man who replicates DO'C's role i.e. Ryan (I think our best 2nd row partnership is PO'C and Cullen but I know DK doesn't see it that way).

If Jenno is fit, I think this is the best match for him to show that he has to go as Wallace's no 1 cover at 7. I know SO'B can play there and has done well at 7 for Leinster but look at the difference in his performance in the Heineken Final. First half at 7 he was pretty anonymous, 2nd half at 6 he was a wrecking ball. If Jenno can prove he's up to playing 7 at international level than we can leave SO'B at 6 and deputy 8.

If Murray can play well in this game, away in France, he can play well against Australia. It's a big ask of him but, with a familiar half back partner in RO'G outside him, I like most of you, believe he's up to it.

We need to see Ferg at 12 and find out if he's good enough to replace D'Arce if required and I've Bowe at 13 as he's a bigger physical prescence than Earls. As a result, Earls stays in the back 3 where he should have more space to run with the ball and can do most damage to the opposition. Trimble is a good physical player to have on the wing to chase after box kicks and re-starts.

Kearney did well enough against Scotland and needs gametime so he gets 40-50 mins here and Jones can come on at fullback and show us if he can replicate good league form into International form.

[d.buzzer]

I think he might go with what he views his strongest team possible for this one and the England game. I think he might go with Healy, Best, Ross, DOC, POC, Wally, SOB, Heaslip. Flannery to get another run from the bench. Fla and Ferris fully fit are the only ones likely to force their way into 1st choice pack when the serious stuff begins. Backs will be a little bit more difficult to predict with Rog already behind in his preparation he may be left out to get fitness up, BOD having minor injury may be left out also. Will he have another look at Kearney this week or give him a breather? I think Reddan and Sexton will start, I think he'll give Kearney another run at 15, Earls on one wing with a possibiltiy of Boweor Luke Fitz in the center if O'Driscoll doesnt make it. Wouldnt rule out seeing Wallace and McFadden combo in the center again either. The fringe players and any player needing game time will get it against France home and Connacht.

[Old Dog]

Delighted to see that Steve Walsh junior (Version II) is back
reffing again. On his day - and they are quite frequent - he's
the best in the world.

[Blindsider.]

Delighted to see that Steve Walsh junior (Version II) is back

reffing again. On his day</span> - and they are quite frequent - he's

the best in the world.





Do you mean, when he's sober? Or when he's not being racially abusive? Or both?

[davidos]

Delighted to see that Steve Walsh junior (Version II) is back
reffing again. On his day - and they are quite frequent -
he's
the best in the world.



We did get Old Dog V.II (aka the Better Half) for a while, and
then Old Dog V.I (The current one) came back. What are the
chances that Steve Walsh Version I may do an 'Old Dog' and
come back also.

[Old Dog]

Delighted to see that Steve Walsh junior (Version II) is
back
reffing again. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;On his
day&lt;/span&gt; - and they are quite frequent - he's
the best in the world.

Do you mean, when he's sober? Or when he's not
being racially abusive? Or both?

That was Steve Walsh (Version I) - do try to keep up.

[Blindsider.]

Delighted to see that Steve Walsh junior (Version II) is back

reffing again. On his day - and they are quite frequent -

he's

the best in the world.







We did get Old Dog V.II (aka the Better Half) for a while, and

then Old Dog V.I (The current one) came back. What are the

chances that Steve Walsh Version I may do an 'Old Dog' and

come back also.

Thank you D - well put!

OD - I'm well up to date, but thanks for your concern - it's touching, well almost!

Leopard...spots....!

[the stag]

i dont have a team as such but ido reckon we need to win this game above all the other friendlys. the reason being is thatit'll show we can beat the big teams which will do for confidence. ad the fact that it willbe an away victory so mentally speaking we should be ok for confidence in NZ...

[Old Dog]

Delighted to see that Steve Walsh junior (Version II) is
back reffing again. On his day - and they are quite
frequent - he's the best in the world.



We did get Old Dog V.II (aka the Better Half) for a while,
and then Old Dog V.I (The current one) came back. What
are the chances that Steve Walsh Version I may do an 'Old
Dog' and come back also.

Some alcoholics relapse, while other manage to stay off
the demon drink - I wish Steve (V.2) all the best.

My dear wife (the Better Half) kindly took over posting for
me after I lost the use of both of my typing fingers due to a
disagreement with a condom vending machine while on
holidays in the Vatican City.Happily, following a visit to
the shrine of the Blessed Declan Kidney in Musgrave Park,
both of the missing digits grew again (in fact you can see
one of them clearly in Paulie Walnut's avatar:

http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/pop_up_profile.asp?
PF=473

[Ims**t@rugby]

1.Healy
2.Best
3.Hayes
4.O'Callaghan
5.Cullen
6.O'Brien
7.Wallace
8.Leamy

9.Stringer
10.Sexton

11.Trimble
12.BOD
13.Earls
14.Bowe

15.Kearney

16.Flannery
17.Ross
18.M O'Driscoll
19.Heaslip
20.Reddan
21.ROG
22.McFadden

[bigron2010]

What had deccie got against James
downey?

Other than the fact that he turned down
a contract offer from him
in 2006, I dont understand why he is not
in the squad?

[Big-al]

What had deccie got against James downey?

Other than the fact that he turned down a contract offer from him
in 2006, I font understand why he is not in the squad?





Donwey got outclassed by both Wallace and D'arcy in the Hcup knockout stages last season. He's not very good.

[RichardP]

Delighted to see that Steve Walsh junior (Version II) is back

reffing again. On his day - and they are quite frequent - he's

the best in the world.




I'll take Walsh as a ref on any day that doesn't have a Y in it

[Eamo]

Murray at 9 O' Driscoll to 12 Earls 13 Jones 15 - otherwise the usual crew.

[scotscor]

The plan should be that each of the first 15 gets 2-3
games. Seeing as Connacht is two days before a test, they
wont be playing in that.
Which suggests that there will be a very strong team out
next week. Equally though there will be a need to ensure
that each of the 43ish that are in the squad gets at least
one test - (not just the Connacht game) and that those
returning from injury get additional game time). Also
assuming that Murphy, BOD, Ferris, Darcy, Jennings are still
unavailable
With that in mind
Healy Best Ross (Horan, Fla, Hayes)
POC DOC (MOD)
SOB Heaslip Wallace (Leamy)
Reddan ROG (Strings, Wallace)
Bowe McFadden Earls Trimble
Jones

[The Outlaw]

Murray at 9* O' Driscoll to 12 Earls 13 Jones
15 - otherwise the usual crew.
BOD isnt playing.

[bigron2010]

What had deccie got against
James downey? Other than the fact that he turned down a contract
offer from him in 2006, I font understand why he is not in the
squad?


*


Donwey got outclassed by both Wallace and D'arcy in the Hcup
knockout stages last season. He's not very good.

I don't remember Wallace outclassing anyone last year and I do
remember downey running over darcy a few times in the first half of
the final. Granted he was anonymous in the second half from an
attacking perspective. correct me if I am wrong but leinster only
only made inroads when they avoided his channel in the second
half. I just feel that he would get accross the gainline n suck in more
defenders than Wallace r mcfadden.

[Cowboy]

HealyFlaRoss
Paulie Micko
MikeMc Heaslip SOB

Tomas Rog
Ferg Earls

TrimbleKearney&nbs p;Bowe



Marcus, Best, Bull, DOC, Wally,Murray, P. Wallace.


The French are going to try and steamroller us as they
usually do. Pick as big a pack as available to us is my
ethos. When we have the return leg back in Dublin
experiment a bit because France will be bored at that
stage. I'd have started Sexton next weekend and given
Rog the job in scotland. Sexton is the man for the
physicality. Throw Micko back to 6 when the
substitutions begin, France has no hangups for him.
Kearney gets 40 mins, then Wallace on in midfield and
the boy wonder goes back to fullback.

[neiljung]

Well there's 44 in the current squad so given that 22 played
against Scotland we could theoretically see the other 22 in
action. Not going to happen obviously with D'Arcy and
Ferris i presume definite not starting, is Jennings
sufficiently recovered to play or are there any others still
carrying injuries?

G. Murphy is set to play today/tom for Leicester and
anyone else playing club matches will probably impact
team selection too. I guess we'll see a SH, Prop and Back
Row all playing in the conveniently located match against
La Rochelle on Friday. Any other squad players likely to
feature for their clubs/provinces this week?

The last thing to consider is that after France we'll have
only 3 matches left anyone who hasn't at least made the
bench by the time of the Connacht game must surely be in
line for exclusion so time is running out for the unplayed
22. Not withstanding all that we really need a
win/peformance and not another depressing night in
Bordeaux so something along the lines of;

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
4. PO'C
5. MO'D
6. Jennings
7. Wally
8. Leamy
9. Stringer/Reddan
10. ROG
11. Trimble
12. Mc Fadden
13. BO'D
14. Bowe
15. Earls

16. FLa
17. Court
18. O'Callaghan
19. Heaslip
20. Reddan/Stringer
21. Sexton
22. Fitzgerald

P.S. Why oh why not 23 man panels in the RWC feckin
crazy, doubtless some vital match will go down to
uncontested scrums.

What had deccie got against
James downey? Other than the fact that he turned down a contract
offer from him in 2006, I font understand why he is not in the
squad?







Donwey got outclassed by both Wallace and D'arcy in the Hcup
knockout stages last season. He's not very good.




I don't remember Wallace outclassing anyone last year and I do
remember downey running over darcy a few times in the first half of
the final. Granted he was anonymous in the second half from an
attacking perspective. correct me if I am wrong but leinster only
only made inroads when they avoided his channel in the second
half. I just feel that he would get accross the gainline n suck in more
defenders than Wallace r mcfadden.





that would be a pretty fair summary, until Leinster were on top up front Downey was having a good day and even when that turn around happened Downey still played decently. Unfortunately people are too interested in writing someone off once they're abroad.


I'm not an advocate but I think it might still have served a purpose to havetried a guy who's seen as an integral part of his club's season, a season that has seen him play in both the domestic and European finals. A double none of our (Munster)players managed, even when given 2 shots at the European side of it.

[Big-al]

Downey can't pass and has no pace.


He's crap.


For Wallace, he amde more yards and made more tackles than anyone on the Irish team. The witch hunt for him is getting ridiculous. Cronin, McFadden, Sexton and Ronin had far worse games than him, yet barely get mentioned

[Talking Sense]

Horan
Best
Ross
POC
Ryan
Fez (if fit)
Jennings (if fit)
SOB
Reddan
Sexton
Trimble
McFad
Earls
Bowe
Kornage

Fla, Mushy, DOC, Leamy, TOL, Rog (if fit) Fitz.

[ruckinhell]

I'd go for:


Healy


Best


Ross


Ryan


POC


McLaughlin


O'Brien


Heaslip


Murray


ROG


Fitz


McFadden


Earls


Bowe


Jones


Subs: Court, Flannery, Wallace, Reddan, P. Wallace, Kearney





This is assuming Ferris, D'Arcy, BOD and Jennings are not available for selection.

[bugler]

What had deccie got against James

downey?




He plays abroad. That's all.

We had to listen to the shame s**te about Mike Ross. While he was in England most of the board was unanimous in that deciding he wasn't good enough, and would never be good enough. There's a gem of a thread in which both Leinster and Munster fans unite in agreeing he just isn't up to standard.

Same with Downey. If he played for any of Ulster, Leinster or Munster he'd be in the squad for sure. Maybe even if playing for Connacht. But he's in the GP, and it's better to persist with provincial mediocrity.

[bigron2010]

Downey can't pass and has no pace.


He's crap.


For Wallace, he amde more yards and made more tackles than
anyone on the Irish team. The witch hunt for him is getting
ridiculous. Cronin, McFadden, Sexton and Ronin had far worse
games than him, yet barely get mentioned

Well to be honest I reckon he probably made more tackles than
anyone else. Missed his fair share too. Reason for both is easy to
explain as Scotland completely dominated the match and targeted
wallaces channel all day long. He may get an easier ride behind a
more dominant 1st string Irish pack.

Ronan is too lightweight for this lvl. Sexton was lost with the slow
ball he was getting from oleary n the pack and a backline lacking the
ability to get accross the gainline . Cronin once again unlucky with a
high profile knock on. Jury is still out on mcfadden.

[the plastic paddy]

Have to say I cannot for the life of me see the sense in Downeynot being an option; he was first choice for HEC runners up and from what I saw was anything but outclassed against Ulster or Leinster. Premiership is nowhere near as good as the English think but it is not the Russian league FFS. Rules are all well and good but needs must when we are in the sh*te which we are if D'Arcy doesn't make it.

[bigron2010]

Have to say I cannot for the life of me
see the sense in Downey*not being an option; he was first choice for
HEC runners up and from what I saw was anything but outclassed
against Ulster or Leinster. Premiership is nowhere near as good as
the English think but it is not the Russian league FFS. Rules are all
well and good but needs must when we are in the sh*te which we
are if D'Arcy doesn't make it.

For sure. Couldn't see Wallace r mcfadden doing this
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=IE#/watch?
v=v_Fix5DvnuY
Anytime soon.

[king]

Horan fla Hayes
McCarthy doc
Ryan Heaslip Jennings if fit / Wallace
Reddan sexton / rog if fit
Earls fitz McFadden jones
Kearney

Wallace Murray Duffy varley ryan court Buckley

[bomahony]

Had picked my team, and decided to read the rest of the thread. I think Downey is the explosive center we need. Earls isnt big enough. Bowe plays there for the Hairsprays a lot, but i think is better on the wing. Fitzgerald is same size as Earls, so not ready for it.

1Horan
2Fla
3Ross
4DOC
5POC
6SOB
7Wallace
8Heaslip

9Murray
10Sexton
12 James Downey
13 McFadden
11 Earls
14 Bowe
15 jones

Reddan, Jennings, Donnacha ryan, Varley, Court, Hayes, Duffy

[parnell333]

yip... bring in Downey - he deserves his shot - Earls to 13


Surprised Ruddock not been mentioned at all

[Aussiedub]

Downey should definintily be in the running especially when we are relying so much on defence

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

Downey should definintily be in the running especially when we are relying so much on defence

He's not though, and infacta never has been. 3 A caps.

I'd be shocked if he's even in the thinking.

[the plastic paddy]

So, if PW or McFadden got injured which I would not for a second want to happen, who would be called up? With no Spence, no IQ 12 in munster it would have to be Downey. So my argument would be that if, as Outlaw assures us, D'Arcy is unlikely and he knows more about conditioning than me, then surely our third choice 12 after PW and McFadden should have been called up to the squad and that man has to be Downey because there is almost no one else!

[Upfront_1979]

fitz would probably be next in line as he has played 12 for ireland

[Aussiedub]

Downey should definintily be in the running especially when we are relying so much on defence

He's not though, and infacta never has been. 3 A caps.

I'd be shocked if he's even in the thinking.



It's shocking that he hasn't been considered.

[parnell333]

Also would like to see Hagan get some time off the bench.

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

Downey should definintily be in the running especially when we are relying so much on defence

He's not though, and infacta never has been. 3 A caps.

I'd be shocked if he's even in the thinking.



It's shocking that he hasn't been considered.

I'm sure he has been, but he still evidently isn't even close to a squad place.

[the plastic paddy]

Also would like to see Hagan get some time off the bench.Hagan is notin the Squad and Wilkinson is injured apparently not that there has been any word from management.

[Blindsider.]

Downey should definintily be in the running especially when we are relying so much on defence

He's not though, and infacta never has been. 3 A caps.

I'd be shocked if he's even in the thinking.


Exactly.

Downey is not part of the plan. Neither are Mafi or Paul Warwick! (Let's not go there!)

Seriously, the chances of any squad additions at this stage are miniscule. Fitz, Bowe, BOD &amp; McFadden are all capable of playing 12 if needed.

If our 1st threee options at 12 were injred, he might get a call. Realistically, it's not happening.

Of the 46 man squad, what team would you pick for France?

Downey can't pass and has no pace.



He's crap.



For Wallace, he amde more yards and made more tackles than
anyone on the Irish team. The witch hunt for him is getting
ridiculous. Cronin, McFadden, Sexton and Ronin had far worse
games than him, yet barely get mentioned




Well to be honest I reckon he probably made more tackles than
anyone else. Missed his fair share too. Reason for both is easy to
explain as Scotland completely dominated the match and targeted
wallaces channel all day long. He may get an easier ride behind a
more dominant 1st string Irish pack.

Ronan is too lightweight for this lvl. Sexton was lost with the slow
ball he was getting from oleary n the pack and a backline lacking the
ability to get accross the gainline . Cronin once again unlucky with a
high profile knock on. Jury is still out on mcfadden.





It's interesting that with all the talent they do have in their back line Northampton persist with such a one dimmensional plodder with zero talent as their IC - or maybe he's just a touch better than people think? I mean it's not like he's on a level with someone like d'Arcy in broken play but then I'm betting Morrison wouldn't have strolled over the top of Downey all day a while back.

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

Downey can't pass and has no pace.



He's crap.



For Wallace, he amde more yards and made more tackles than
anyone on the Irish team. The witch hunt for him is getting
ridiculous. Cronin, McFadden, Sexton and Ronin had far worse
games than him, yet barely get mentioned




Well to be honest I reckon he probably made more tackles than
anyone else. Missed his fair share too. Reason for both is easy to
explain as Scotland completely dominated the match and targeted
wallaces channel all day long. He may get an easier ride behind a
more dominant 1st string Irish pack.

Ronan is too lightweight for this lvl. Sexton was lost with the slow
ball he was getting from oleary n the pack and a backline lacking the
ability to get accross the gainline . Cronin once again unlucky with a
high profile knock on. Jury is still out on mcfadden.





It's interesting that with all the talent they do have in their back line Northampton persist with such a one dimmensional plodder with zero talent as their IC - or maybe he's just a touch better than people think? I mean it's not like he's on a level with someone like d'Arcy in broken play but then I'm betting Morrison wouldn't have strolled over the top of Downey all day a while back.

Maybe he's cheap?

I've no idea about his speed or creative abilities, but he seems to be a solid straight ahead runner, and a decent defender.

Perhaps that's insufficient in DK's reckoning?

[McCloud]

irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Monday, August 8, 2011,
16:05
O'Driscoll must bide his time

Rugby: Patience will be the most important virtue for
Ireland captain Brian O’Driscoll as he awaits his
competitive return to the national team.

Although he is happy with his fitness, he will probably have
to wait until Saturday week when France are the visitors to
Lansdowne Road to make his competitive bow in Ireland’s
test schedule ahead of their departure for the World Cup in
New Zealand.
O’Driscoll didn’t play in the 10-6 weekend defeat to
Scotland at Murrayfield and is not expected to be named in
the Ireland team to take on the French in Bordeaux this
weekend. Irish team manager Paul McNaughton intimated
last week that O’Driscoll would play in the return game
against the French.

Ireland’s leading try scorer and attacking fulcrum is
recovering from a neck injury but he’ll be ready to go when
required. “It’s rare enough as an older generation player
that you’re 100% fit; there’s

always something niggling. But I’m feeling pretty fit at the
moment. I’ve enjoyed the training camp.

“When I get onto the pitch I’ll be ready for it. I’m in as
much need of match practice as any other player. Until I
get to play a few games I won’t really be at full speed.”

O’Driscoll insists that the squad will take the positives out
of the defeat to Scotland. “The guys did extremely well. We
were a bit disappointed with our attacking options but
defensively, other

than the score at the end, we were very solid.

“There were some huge positives to take out of the game
and some guys put their hands up and caused some
serious headaches for (coach) Declan Kidney. It’s tough to
sit out an international, whether that’s because you’ve been
injured or you haven’t been selected. You want to be out
there while there’s someone else on the pitch in your
number jersey hoping to impress the coaches.”

Ireland have two more matches – away and at home to
France before Kidney must confirm his World Cup squad on
Monday, August 22nd – and will then face matches against
Connacht on the Thursday of that week and England at the
Aviva stadium two days later before departing for New
Zealand.

The3 lessons of four years ago have been absorbed as
O’Driscoll explained: “These games are very important. It
was well documented that we weren’t match-hardened four
years ago. As a result of that we stumbled in the first few
games. We want to make sure we are raring to go when
we take on the USA in the first game.

“Everyone in the 30 will need some pitch time so that
they’re ready to be called up if need be.”

[Benji]

Looks like Kidney's lack of risk or vision in selecting players for last years Ai's is showed up.


We really only have two props guaranteed spots. Hayes can be trusted to hold his own but wont lat 80 minutes and can only cover one side. Marcus hasnt played enough rugby last year and from what I remember he wasnt great. Dont think he has proved he can play both sides. Buckley cant play both sides at international level. If it was a 23 man matchday squad he would be a cert.


Court has been found out in a good few matches and while he can cover both sides I'd say that at magners level. Watch him around the pitch he does nothing. Is wilkinson gone/ injured. Why didnt Hagen and Wilko get some time. The third prop in the match day squad is a massive weakness for us.


Second Rows Kidney only see Doc and Poc. At their best their the best we have but Doc needs to play like he did against england last year. Cullen would be a clear choice if either got injured but isnt dynamic and wouldnt offer enough off the bench. McCarthy should get a start in the engine room to see can he be as lively while doing his scrum duties. I like Kev Mc but I dont think his as tough has Ryan and McCarthy. McLoughlin is more a 6 and his time will come. Mod isnt really a runner in my book. Cullen offers more and Micko would be lost in the loose against Ryan and McCarthy.


Hooker -Its 3 of Cronin Best and Fla. Lets hope Fla can get back.


Backrow. Heaslip-Sob-Wallace- Jennings and Leamy in contention. Would like to see Jennings make it as he can really change a game when he comes on but the greater experience will see Leamy go.


9-- Would like to see Kidney take a risk and take Murray but thats not like Kidney. Would like to see Murray Boss and Reddan. But would think that its come too soon for Murray. Tol can cover a wing if needed and would be a good squad player and will be given a seat. Kidney's but too much work into Tol for him to be left behind.


12.13 McFadden should get a start at the weekend here. McFadden made a poor mistake last weekend for the try. His new too international level. The same cant be said for Wallace whose isnt getting greater with age. Who was leading the defence ?


Were fecked in the Centres and over the last two years Decie hasnt tried to fix it. His main plan over cover was Wallace. Downey too slow and no hands. Earls and Fitz while they can play there they arent great there. Nearest thing to a strong man with hands in the squad for 12 is Duffy and cant see that happening. Duffy wont travel and rightly so. Imho McFadden can make it at 12 and be very good at it. We will pray that Bod stays fit.


Full back Kearney Earls and Fitz- There's enough cover there with Kearney as the starter.


Team for France


Healy Flannery Ross


Cullen Poc


Healip Wallace Sob


Murray Sexton


McFadden Earls


Trimble Bowe


Kearney


Buckley Best McLoughlin Ryan. Tol Duffy Rog


Would reckon his going to give time to Puppy, Duffy Mod Varleyand Ronan but cant see them travelling.

[The Outlaw]

Looks like Kidney's lack of risk or vision
in selecting players for last years Ai's is showed up.


We really only have two props guaranteed spots. Hayes
can be trusted to hold his own but wont lat 80 minutes and
can only cover one side. Marcus hasnt played enough
rugby last year and from what I remember he wasnt great.
Dont think he has proved he can play both sides. *Buckley
cant play both sides at international level. If it was a 23
man matchday squad he would be a cert.


Court has been found out in a good few matches and
while he can cover both sides I'd say that at magners level.
Watch him around the pitch he does nothing. Is wilkinson
gone/ injured. Why didnt Hagen and Wilko get some time.
The third prop in the match day squad is a massive
weakness for us.


Second Rows Kidney only see Doc and Poc. At their best
their the best we have but Doc needs to play like he did
against england last year. Cullen would be a clear choice if
either got injured but isnt dynamic and wouldnt offer
enough off the bench. McCarthy should get a start in the
engine room to see can he be as lively while doing his
scrum duties. I like Kev Mc but I dont think his as tough
has Ryan and McCarthy. McLoughlin is more a 6 and his
time will come. Mod isnt really a runner in my book. Cullen
offers more and Micko would be lost in the loose against
Ryan and McCarthy.


Hooker -Its 3 of Cronin Best and Fla.* Lets hope Fla can
get back.


Backrow. Heaslip-Sob-Wallace- Jennings and Leamy in
contention. Would like to see Jennings make it as he can
really change a game when he comes on but the greater
experience will see Leamy go.


9-- Would like to see Kidney take a risk and take Murray
but thats not like Kidney. Would like to see Murray Boss
and Reddan. But would think that its come too soon for
Murray. Tol can cover a wing if needed and would be a
good squad player and will be given a seat. Kidney's but
too much work into Tol for him to be left behind.


12.13 McFadden should get a start at the weekend here.
McFadden made a poor mistake last weekend for the try.
His new too international level. The same cant be said for
Wallace whose isnt getting greater with age. Who was
leading the defence ?


Were fecked in the Centres and over the last two years
Decie hasnt tried to fix it. His main plan over cover was
Wallace. Downey too slow and no hands. Earls and Fitz
while they can play there they arent great there. Nearest
thing to a strong man with hands in the squad for 12 is
Duffy and cant see that happening. Duffy wont travel and
rightly so. Imho McFadden can make it at 12 and be very
good at it. We will pray that Bod stays fit.


Full back Kearney Earls and Fitz- There's enough cover
there with Kearney as the starter.


Team for France


Healy Flannery Ross


Cullen Poc


Healip Wallace Sob


Murray Sexton


McFadden Earls


Trimble Bowe


Kearney


Buckley Best McLoughlin Ryan. Tol Duffy Rog


Would reckon his going to give time to Puppy, Duffy Mod
Varley*and Ronan but cant see them travelling.


In fairness to Kidney he cant make international standard
props. We only have two.

[Benji]

Yes Outlaw but Ross got into the6 nationsbecause of injury to others. It wasnt insight from Kidney granted Ross had played himself into form and was fit.


Why didnt Hagan and Wilkinson get games? Maybe playing with international players and spending time with the squad one of them might surprise us. Wwe dont know what they are capable of . They might not be able for it but at least we would know.

[kahalui]

Ross didnt get any gametime in the AIs, Benji. He was started
against Italy in the 6N because Buckley was out injured.

[NotreDameRFC]

Horan Cronin Ross


POC Cullen


Mc Carthy or Ryan , Heaslip, Jenning if fit , if not SOB


Boss, ROG


Jones, McFadden , Earls, Murphy


Kearney


subs, Court, Bull, Flannnery, Mc Carthy, LEamy, TOL, P Wallace and Trimble

[Benji]

Ross didnt get any gametime in the AIs, Benji. He was started
against Italy in the 6N because Buckley was out injured.


Sorry your right Kahalui, Thats what I meant to say. At the time we were busy beating Hayes to death at tighthead.





Thanks Kahalui Change made.

[the plastic paddy]

Yes Outlaw but Ross got into the Ai's because of injury to others. It wasnt insight from Kidney granted Ross had played himself into form and was fit.


Why didnt Hagan and Wilkinson get games? Maybe playing with international players and spending time with the squad one of them might surprise us. Wwe dont know what they are capable of . They might not be able for it but at least we would know. Please some one else is wondering about prop situation. Can't find the post about Wilkinson doing a hamstring but if he is out then Hagan has to be called up. Anyone know when French team going to be announced?

[NotreDameRFC]

france team tomorrow according to L'equipe

[Blindsider.]

Yes Outlaw but Ross got into the Ai's because of injury to others. It wasnt insight from Kidney granted Ross had played himself into form and was fit.


Why didnt Hagan and Wilkinson get games? Maybe playing with international players and spending time with the squad one of them might surprise us. Wwe dont know what they are capable of . They might not be able for it but at least we would know. Please some one else is wondering about prop situation. Can't find the post about Wilkinson doing a hamstring</span> but if he is out then Hagan has to be called up. Anyone know when French team going to be announced?

Yep - read that alright. He's goosed.

[Waterfordlad]

From the dead site





Mick O'Driscoll, Niall Ronan and Marcus Horan, who all played in Ireland's game against Scotland last Saturday have been released back to Munster and will travel with the squad to France tomorrow for a training camp that concludes with the first of three pre-season matches.


<S&#079;NG>Ronan </S&#079;NG>started the game in Murrayfield while <S&#079;NG>Horan</S&#079;NG> and <S&#079;NG>O'Driscoll </S&#079;NG>were introduced as second half substitutes and they are joined for the trip to France by their current international squad colleagues, <S&#079;NG>Damien Varley </S&#079;NG>and <S&#079;NG>Peter Stringer.</S&#079;NG>
<DIV =article>


Also included in the 31 strong squad are newcomers <S&#079;NG>BJ Botha</S&#079;NG> and <S&#079;NG>Ian Keatley </S&#079;NG>along with Under 20 International JJ Hanrahan and former squad member <S&#079;NG>Gerry Hurley </S&#079;NG>who provides the cover at scrum-half in place of the absent <S&#079;NG>Tomas O'Leary </S&#079;NG>and <S&#079;NG>Conor Murray.</S&#079;NG>


<S&#079;NG>Munster </S&#079;NG>play<S&#079;NG> La Rochelle </S&#079;NG>on<S&#079;NG> Friday at the </S&#079;NG>12,352 capacity <S&#079;NG>Stade Marcel-Deflandre .</S&#079;NG>


<S&#079;NG>Munster Squad.</S&#079;NG> D Hurley, S Zebo, D Howlett, J Murphy, S Deasy, JJ Hanrahan, D Barnes, L Mafi, I Keatley, D Cusack, G Hurley, P Stringer, D Williams, D Hurley, W du Preez, BJ Botha, M Horan,P Borlase, S Archer, D Varley, D Fogarty, MSherry, M O'Driscoll, I Nagle, Dave O'Callaghan, P Butler, B Holland, N Ronan, J Coughlan, T O'Donnell, P O'Mahony</DIV>

[mr chips]

Strings being available for Munster probably means he's not as close to a seat on the plane as Murray.

[NotreDameRFC]

Strings being available for Munster probably means he's not as close to a seat on the plane as Murray.





Not according to Dowlinz and Stringer9 smileys/wink.gif

[busbi]

A close to first choice selection is a must imho. We need to get
out main players playing.

[lactose intolerant]

Strings being available for Munster probably means he's not as close to a seat on the plane as Murray.



possibly!! but at the same time, Kidney already knows what Stringer brings to the Irish set up, so gametime for him (with Ireland) is possibly less important than gametime for Murray

[the plastic paddy]

france team tomorrow according to L'equipe Meant to say team for France but if we know who they are playing would be handy as we can vary accordingly.

[kahalui]

My 2cents.. The Irish management had the AIs and 6Ns
(esp after we lost to France) to try out other options,
Mcfadden/Downey at 12, new/back up combinations etc.
Darcy was played in every single 6n game in spite of his
poor form, and he arguably cost us the loss to France.
Now, he's out injured and people are wondering why there
arent any back up options?? Fitz was another one who was
there on reputation.

It's been obvious, for some time now, that we've had little
back up in the centres and FR in particular. In the 2nd row
and FB, as well, but to a lesser extent. edit.

Re. NZ playing their most capped team at the weekend-
there's 1 main difference between us and them in this
aspect. Their younger/fringe players have been given
sufficient gametime to be trusted and can come in and do
the job if needed- massive strength in depth (apart from at
OH)! The same cant be said for us, because even for
'meaningless' AIs in WC year, we still play our '1st 15'.. at
least against the bigger teams.

And now, a month before the tournament, we play an
experimental side against Scotland as a 'trial' for fringe
players/bolters and as much needed gametime for others.
Its next to impossible for players to shine in a game of such
characteristics and with so many previously untried
combinations. Some of us suggested before the Scot game
that it was going to be diffcult to judge individual
performances considering our forwards were going to
struggle.. which is what ended up happening. Good
experience for the players nonetheless, although, a little
too late (for certain players, not all) to stake a claim
imho, despite DK & co. stating otherwise.

At this late stage, the only way we'll see if certain fringe
players are up to it imo, is by playing them with something
ressembling the actual 1st team. We've seen it plenty over
the past 2 seasons at Munster. Our pack has struggled and
this has a knock on effect in the lack of backlinecreativity..
there was very little (if any) platform for the backs to play
off against scotland. We spent almost the entire
1st half defending ffs..

This thead is 'your (not DKs) team for France', so here's
mine..
1.Healy ...
2. Cronin.. needs to gain some confidence in case he's
needed in the WC. Flannery on at HT
3. Buckley
4. DOC
5. POC
6. McCarthy.. can cover lock
7. Wally
8. Heaslip
9. Murray .. deserves at least one chance
10. Sexton
11. Trimble
12. Mcfadden
13. Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns
14. Bowe
15. Jones

Subs: Horan, Flannery, Ross, SOB, ROG, Boss, Kearney

At least 20mins gametime for Horan, Flannery, Ross and
Kearney whether we're winning/losing.

[Waterfordlad]

Horan back with Munster this week kahalui

[munsterbouy]

Does anyone know if this match is going to be televised in the UK?, BBC maybe?

[kahalui]

Horan back with Munster this week
kahalui

Just spotted it, WL.

Someone said Buckley had experience playing LH, is that true?

[shk7619]

Does anyone know if this match is going to be televised in the UK?, BBC maybe?


itv 4, just highlights

[Dowlinz]

Strings being available for Munster probably means he's not as close to a seat on the plane as Murray.



There's nothing to gain for DK playing stringer, he wants game time for him and thats about it. He's said already he wanted gametime for everyone so would be sending some back to provinces.

I'd still say strings is the default 3rd choice and the onus is on Murray or Boss to do something to convince DK otherwise. Naturally gametime for the TOL/Sexton and Reddan/ROG partnerships will be the focus of the warmups and the others will have to impress from bench cameos. Stringer being a known quantity has the least claim for one of those spots, just nothing to learn from using him in that capacity when its been done repeatedly for the past 3 years.

[RichardP]

...We had to listen to the shame s**te about Mike Ross. While he was in England most of the board was unanimous in that deciding he wasn't good enough, and would never be good enough. There's a gem of a thread in which both Leinster and Munster fans unite in agreeing he just isn't up to standard.

He wasn't up to standard when he came back from England. His all-round fitness was poor, his application outside the set-piece was limited. He was told to get those in order by Gert Smal (and possibly Schmidt) if he wanted to be considered. He did that; he worked on the identified weaknesses in his game and became first choice. Painting him as some sort of victim of a xenophobic selection policy is just not true. Paddy Wallace is the only back-up being considered for ROG and JS (who was pretty poor v Scotland) and that, combined with his experience at 12) led to his being in the squad ahead of Downey.
Downey doesn't become some sort of heroic victim just because Paddy Wallace has become a poor centre/OH alternative. It isn't that long ago that PW was considered by many as an alternative to GD - who is suddenly being declared indespensable, despite a very poor 6Nations.
McFadden was played out of position against Scotland and did pretty well apart from one (critical) defensive gaff. Downey MIGHT be be a better player currently but he's had many years of proving his mediocrity too.

[munsterbouy]

Does anyone know if this match is going to be televised in the UK?, BBC maybe?


itv 4, just highlights

shame, thanks for the heads up though.

Downey can't pass and has no pace.


He's crap.


For Wallace, he amde more yards and made more
tackles than anyone on the Irish team. The witch hunt for
him is getting ridiculous. Cronin, McFadden, Sexton and
Ronin had far worse games than him, yet barely get
mentioned


Well to be honest I reckon he probably made
more tackles than anyone else. Missed his fair share too.
Reason for both is easy to explain as Scotland completely
dominated the match and targeted wallaces channel all day
long. He may get an easier ride behind a more dominant
1st string Irish pack. Ronan is too lightweight for this lvl.
Sexton was lost with the slow ball he was getting from
oleary n the pack and a backline lacking the ability to get
accross the gainline . Cronin once again unlucky with a
high profile knock on. Jury is still out on mcfadden.



*


It's interesting that with all the talent they do have in
their back line Northampton persist with such a one
dimmensional plodder with zero talent as their IC - or
maybe he's just a touch better than people think?* I mean
it's not like he's on a level with someone like d'Arcy in
broken play but then I'm betting Morrison wouldn't have
strolled over the top of Downey all day a while back.
Maybe he's cheap?I've no idea about his speed or
creative abilities, but he seems to be a solid straight ahead
runner, and a decent defender.Perhaps that's insufficient in
DK's reckoning?

Comes back to my previous point though, Northampton
have a talented back line with lots of pace and running in it,
for him to be holding down his place he's doing a good job
of being a direct runner. BOD, Horgan, Murphy and Hickie
scored bucket loads outside Maggs and Hendo filling that
direct style of play. In fact more than they've been scoring
when we've shoe-horned one of the best broken play
runners in the world into IC.

Horan back with
Munster this week
kahalui

Just spotted it, WL.

Someone said Buckley had experience playing LH, is that
true?

yep he's had experience there, he got utterly beasted off the
park every time mind but he's played there.

[the plastic paddy]

Downey can't pass and has no pace.



He's crap.



For Wallace, he amde more yards and made more
tackles than anyone on the Irish team. The witch hunt for
him is getting ridiculous. Cronin, McFadden, Sexton and
Ronin had far worse games than him, yet barely get
mentioned



Well to be honest I reckon he probably made
more tackles than anyone else. Missed his fair share too.
Reason for both is easy to explain as Scotland completely
dominated the match and targeted wallaces channel all day
long. He may get an easier ride behind a more dominant
1st string Irish pack. Ronan is too lightweight for this lvl.
Sexton was lost with the slow ball he was getting from
oleary n the pack and a backline lacking the ability to get
accross the gainline . Cronin once again unlucky with a
high profile knock on. Jury is still out on mcfadden.








It's interesting that with all the talent they do have in
their back line Northampton persist with such a one
dimmensional plodder with zero talent as their IC - or
maybe he's just a touch better than people think? I mean
it's not like he's on a level with someone like d'Arcy in
broken play but then I'm betting Morrison wouldn't have
strolled over the top of Downey all day a while back.
Maybe he's cheap?I've no idea about his speed or
creative abilities, but he seems to be a solid straight ahead
runner, and a decent defender.Perhaps that's insufficient in
DK's reckoning?

Comes back to my previous point though, Northampton
have a talented back line with lots of pace and running in it,
for him to be holding down his place he's doing a good job
of being a direct runner. BOD, Horgan, Murphy and Hickie
scored bucket loads outside Maggs and Hendo filling that
direct style of play. In fact more than they've been scoring
when we've shoe-horned one of the best broken play
runners in the world into IC. +1 EO.I would add to the list of 12s that have bought out the best in BOD, Bowe, Fitzgerald and Kearney a certain Jamie Roberts in SA and you don't get much more direct than he was on that lions tour. Do not understand the argument that it is one dimensional as seems to be more than good enoughfor the rest of the world but anyway it is not going to be happening so more PW getting battered is what we are to look forward to, crazy!! One further question which I am sure someone can answer, when was the last time Paddy Wallace played OH for Ulster, leave alone Ireland?

[lactose intolerant]

One further question which I am sure someone can answer, when was the last time Paddy Wallace played OH for Ulster, leave alone Ireland?

pretty sure he played there in both games against Munster this season.....he was muck

[inglorious]

Horan back with Munster this week
kahalui

Just spotted it, WL.

Someone said Buckley had experience playing LH, is that true? And it was a bad experience for Mushy.He`s too tall to ever be any good at LH.

[Waterfordlad]

Does anyone know if this match is going to be televised in the UK?, BBC maybe?


itv 4, just highlights


'France 2' channel is showing it (free to air) - as far as I know they are accessible on line for free too - main site http://www.france2.fr/.


A techie friend of mine tells me it can be got on satelliteon Astra 1H/1L/1M at 19.2 oE on 11895V FEC 3/4if youhave a mobiledish etc - don't ask me what all that means, if you're a techie too you'll know apparently

[Old Dog]

'France 2' channel is showing it (free to air) - as far as I
know they are accessible on line for free too - main site
http://www.france2.fr/.

A techie friend of mine tells me it can be got on satellite*on
Astra 1H/1L/1M at 19.2 oE on 11895V FEC 3/4**if you*have
a mobile*dish etc - don't ask me what all that means, if
you're a techie too you'll know apparently



It means that it can't be watched by anyone who has a
fixed Sky dish (which points to Astra 2D at 28.2 degrees
E.)

[kahalui]

Horan back with
Munster this week
kahalui

Just spotted it, WL.

Someone said Buckley had experience playing LH, is that
true?

yep he's had experience there, he got utterly beasted off
the
park every time mind but he's played there.

Desperate measures alright, EO. Your suggestion of trying
Horan at TH, even at such a late stage, mightnt have been
far off the mark.

I know we're only 1 game into the warm up stages, but
Courts scrummaging performances in recent games at both
LH and TH havent been too convincing. For Irelands sake, i
really hope he starts showing some form because, by the
looks of things, he's going to be getting plenty of gametime
in the WC.

[neiljung]

Any word on either
1. Whether or not Geordan Murphy played for Leicester v Montpellier and if he did how he go on

2. If any of the Ulster players in the squad were released for their match in France on Wednesday?

[etcpostmaster]

1 Healy
2 Cronin
3 Ross
4 doc
5 Poc
6 obrien
7 Wallace
8 heaslip
9 Murray
10 Sexton
11 Trimble
12 Mcfadden
13 Earls
14 Bowe
15 Jones

Bench:
Horan, Flannery, Court, Reddan, Rog, Murphy

Think its very important that Ireland win this game. Ireland will gain a huge amount of confidence if so seeing as they struggle so much with the french. I think its important to put out a strong team while experimenting with a few promising young players( Jones, Murray, O'brien, Mcfadden,etc) The pack needs to be very physical and its important that the best front row options are there. Also think its important to have two half back combinations available.Murphy included as a utility back three player. thats what i would go with but im sure declan kidney will probably have the likes of darcy, flannery, and kearney a little more involved.
12

[Kevin77]

This is the team I THINK will start the game at the weekend





1. Healy


2. Best


3. Ross


4. O'Callaghan


5. O'Connell


6. O'Brien


7. Wallace


8. Heaslip


9. Reddan


10. O'Gara


11. Earls


12. McFadden


13. Bowe


14. Trimble


15. Kearney


16. Flannery (Will probably come on for at least 30 mins)


17. Court (Will probably see 15-20 mins)


18. Cullen


19. Leamy


20. Murray (Should get 20 mins)


21. Sexton


22. Fitzgerald (Will be there for centre cover and may get tried there)


Fairly close to preferred starting XV however O'Driscoll will not be risked, Flannery will probably be sprung from bench with a view of a start next week. Given that Stringer is back at Munster and O'Leary and Boss have already got game time I think Reddan and Murray will share scrum half duties. Back row should be first choice (given that Ferris is still working on his fitness). I am confident O'Callaghan and O'Connell will start in the second row although he may want to try a different combination with one of O'Callaghan or O'Connell saving that combination for last warm up.


Centres will be interesting. May persist with Wallace but I think Bowe is our best option at 13 after O'Driscoll and the injured D'Arcy.


I'd expect Kearney to get more game time, perhaps Jones might come in...but can't see it happening in France. Maybe in one of the home games?

It's quite probable anyone back at their provinces this weekend is in with more of a shout of going than those who are in the squad and retained but not playing. DK clearly wants people playing and not sitting around. I'd read the likes of Horan, MOD and Stringer as being very much in his plans.

[the plastic paddy]

It's quite probable anyone back at their provinces this weekend is in with more of a shout of going than those who are in the squad and retained but not playing. DK clearly wants people playing and not sitting around. I'd read the likes of Horan, MOD and Stringer as being very much in his plans. By my reckoning, Horan has to be going as he is one of 2 specialist LHs who are fit with Healy. On current performance would probably label Court a non specialist prop who can get hammered on both sides of the scrum.

[rathbaner]

12. Mcfadden

13. Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns



You just answered your own question about the Autumn internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a competitive test too!

Most people do not believe that the Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.

[McCloud]

Kidney got the line-up wrong
By Charlie Mulqueen
Tuesday, August 09, 2011

DECLAN KIDNEY was correct in arranging a number of
matches prior to the World Cup.
However, unless the games looming against France and
England produce more quality than witnessed at
Murrayfield on Saturday, these ties could quickly turn into
exercises in futility.

Firstly Kidney chose many players against Scotland who
have the slimmest chance of making any appearance in
New Zealand.

Some may not even make the trip. That being the case,
why not concentrate entirely on those who will have a role
to play and who would benefit from a decent amount of
game time before the serious questions are asked?

Saturday was a dreadful affair made worse by the
spectacle earlier in the day between Australia and New
Zealand.

That Tri-Nations clash signposted the standard Ireland must
reach to have any chance of making any meaningful
progress next month.

Kidney will almost certainly give game time to some fringe
players against the USA and Russia unlike predecessor
Eddie O’Sullivan who went with his best 22 against Namibia
and Georgia four years ago. The poor performances
against the minnows meant they were a disillusioned squad
for the clashes against France and Argentina.

With such a strategy in mind, Kidney provided a stage for a
number of these players at Murrayfield. But I would argue
that an opportunity to see those who will carry most of the
responsibility in the World Cup was lost on Saturday.

The distinct possibility is that none of the eight forwards
who started against the Scots will have much, if any,
involvement in the crucial World Cup games against
Australia and Italy.

The odds are that front five of Tom Court, Sean Cronin,
Tony Buckley, Leo Cullen and Donnacha Ryan will be on
the plane while number eight Denis Leamy will certainly be
there. But will any of them face the Wallabies and the
Azzurri from the kick-off? Probably not.

Far more reassuring was the manner in which Jerry
Flannery completed his 20-minute cameo without any
aggravation of the calf muscle trouble that has dogged him
for almost two seasons. A fully fit Flannery throwing to Paul
O’Connell and Donncha O’Callaghan at lineout time and
carrying ball with all his old vigour and fearlessness is vital.
Hopefully, he will again figure against the French in
Bordeaux on Saturday evening.

The same hope applies to Rob Kearney, who looked one of
the sharpest Irishmen on view at Murrayfield. Indeed, he is
one of the few members of the starting side likely to line up
against the Americans on September 11 even though the
challenge for the number 15 and 11 jerseys is going to be
fierce. Keith Earls is sure of his place either at 15 or 11 but
if, as now seems likely, Kidney goes with a 17-13 forward-
back split, at least one of Luke Fitzgerald, Felix Jones and
Geordan Murphy could miss out altogether.

That is more likely still should Kidney stay loyal to Paddy
Wallace. I find it difficult to understand why the coach has
remained so loyal to him for so long. True, the serious
doubt concerning Gordon D’Arcy’s availability may open
the door for the Ulster man but the strong preference has
to be for the greater physicality, strength and defensive
qualities of Fergus McFadden at number 12, and not
forgetting Tommy Bowe, Earls and Fitzgerald are no
strangers to the centre position.

Kidney has five scrum-halves in camp at Carton House and
three will be going to New Zealand. Tomás O’Leary and
Isaac Boss were given the first chance to stake their
<br /

[McCloud]

Tony Ward: Squad harmony key as Kidney ponders team
for Bordeaux
By Tony Ward
Tuesday August 09 2011

Far be it from me to defend that most selfish species, the
rugby coach -- most are bold and brash enough to look
after themselves -- but how anyone could be critical of
what transpired at Murrayfield on Saturday is beyond me.

For all but the final few minutes of the opening game of the
season, the Irish shadow line-up -- if it was even that --
went close to beating two-thirds of the Scottish first XV on
their own patch.

But where are we going here? In all honesty, does it really
matter whether we won 6-3 or lost 10-6? Who cares if the
record books now show that on Saturday, August 6 2011,
Scotland beat Ireland in a warm-up international in
Edinburgh?

Of course those at the heart of it -- the Irish players and
management -- will make the appropriate soundings for
public consumption, but privately the bottom-line objective
was very far removed from adding a 'W' to the ego card in
Murrayfield.

The Scots had to win and in the end, courtesy of Joe
Ansbro's 77th-minute try, they did. On balance, they just
about deserved it. They monopolised the ball, but short of
the occasional incision from Sean Lamont or Nikki Walker,
they looked what they are -- an extremely limited attacking
team behind the scrum.

In a sense, both head coaches got their way. Andy
Robinson got the essential win his selection demanded, but
Declan Kidney got the dogged performance embracing all
22 players, which almost amounted to an opening-day steal
on the road.

It was a match short on quality, lacking precision and
sharpness, but how could it be otherwise? The players
beyond the international elite haven't even begun their pre-
season friendlies, yet here we have two national teams
pitching up with World Cup places on the line.

It is akin to drifting from bed to the starting line for a 100m
sprint without the semblance of a warm-up.

To compare what we witnessed in Eden Park on Saturday
morning, when the two top-ranked teams in world rugby
met in a full-blown Tri-Nations Test, with the Edinburgh run-
out is totally unfair. Of course there is no comparison. New
Zealand and Australia were close to full strength and
playing at full tilt.

They too are playing for World Cup places, but at the
business end of their season. The southern hemisphere
giants have a huge practical advantage in that key regard.

But we are where we are, with last Saturday's first of five
warm-up games a key piece in our preparatory jigsaw. We
learned little of earth-shattering consequence but still
enough to deem the exercise worthwhile. One full-blooded
match is more beneficial than a month's training.

We started slowly but eased our way into the match, with
the second quarter our most productive. The five-minute
spell leading up to Jonny Sexton's penalty and the first-half
lead embraced the type of continuity to which we aspire
and the prototype possession strategy this World Cup will
demand.

For whatever reason, we lost our way after the break, with
kicking out of hand becoming loose.

Here, comparison with the Tri-Nations stands. Give
southern hemisphere sides cheap possession and you
struggle to get it back without first paying a price on the
scoreboard. Against the Kiwis it is proving even more
costly, such is the quality and variation to Dan Carter's
precision restarts.

The main concern for any coach is in unit combinations and
how they go under pressure. The line-out was adequate,
the scrum less so, but on this occas

[Talking Sense]

Horan back with Munster this week
kahalui Just spotted it, WL. Someone said Buckley
had experience playing LH, is that true? And it was
a bad experience for Mushy.He`s too tall to ever be any good
at LH.

Soane Tonga'uiha?

[the plastic paddy]

Horan back with Munster this week
kahalui Just spotted it, WL. Someone said Buckley
had experience playing LH, is that true? And it was
a bad experience for Mushy.He`s too tall to ever be any good
at LH.

Soane Tonga'uiha? Know he never stays fit but Sheridan is the same height as Mushy, Sale will have the biggest pair of props ever next season.

[CR45]

Court starts for Ulster v Bayonne tomorrow evening.

[The Outlaw]

I thin anyone not in the 22 for Saturday is struggling to make
the squad.

[Bullman]

Typical Tony Ward Bulls**t..................Describing Mushy as Dissapointing when he was clearly the better of the front3. Why do idiots like ward not just call it like they see it. Clearly going down the george Hook road........Idiotsmileys/sad.gif

[kahalui]

12. Mcfadden
13. Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns


You just answered your own question about the Autumn internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a competitive test too!

Most people do not believe that the Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.




RB,


We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've been watching the same partnership for years... Other options should have been testedas backup for certain problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??


Taking into account our lack of real strength in depth...In a WC year,theAIs should've been used to try out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.


Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and wewouldhave actuallylearned something!


RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st 15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.

[The Outlaw]

12. Mcfadden 13. Earls .. back to the 11
slot when BOD returns You just answered your
own question about the Autumn internationals. Why play
Earls out of position in the centre when you that when BOD
is fit he's the man and why play McFadden when you know
D'Arcy is better - and for a competitive test too!Most
people do not believe that the Autumn Internationals are
there to be thrown.


RB,


We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been tested*as backup for certain
problem positions*over the past couple of years*imo.*Do
we*know*who's*next in line (or who can reliably
cover)*at*OC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,*Fitz ??*and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??


Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...*In a WC
year,</font></font>*the*AIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/players*imo*.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.*


Besides, there was every reason to*bench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent*6N. Looking
back, they literally*couldnt have been any*worse and
we*would*have actually*learned something!


RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our*'1st
15' and came third (i think)*in the 6N with*more '1st 15's.


Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level defensively. If he had BOD
at 12 then he could play 13. But he needs a rock solid
defender beside him in the centre because Mc Fadden
defensively isnt the same as Darcy or BOD.

The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.

Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.

[Delmar O'Donnell]

Typical Tony Ward
Bulls**t..................**Describing *Mushy as Dissapointing
when he was clearly the better of the front*3. Why do idiots
like ward not just call it like they see it. Clearly going down
the george Hook road........Idiotsmileys/sad.gif*

He was the best of the front three but he was still
dissapointing. We all know the potential of Buckley as a
huge ball carrier and ruck hitter. We've all seen him having
the odd really excellent game for Munster and Ireland, so
we know what performances he is capable of. Saturday,
Mushy needed to stand up and have a big game and I don't
think he did - I don't think he was overtly bad but I don't
think he stepped up.

[Seagull]

Typical Tony Ward

Bulls**t..................Describing Mushy as Dissapointing

when he was clearly the better of the front3. Why do idiots

like ward not just call it like they see it. Clearly going down

the george Hook road........Idiotsmileys/sad.gif



He was the best of the front three but he was still

dissapointing. We all know the potential of Buckley as a

huge ball carrier and ruck hitter. We've all seen him having

the odd really excellent game for Munster and Ireland, so

we know what performances he is capable of. Saturday,

Mushy needed to stand up and have a big game and I don't

think he did - I don't think he was overtly bad but I don't

think he stepped up.

What drives everyone insane about Mushy is he could be the best in his position in the WORLD - and he just can't be bothered. He's like the weather - mainly s**t with occasional periods of sunshine.

We'll still take him to NZ though.

[Waterfordlad]

Typical Tony Ward
Bulls**t..................Describing Mushy as Dissapointing
when he was clearly the better of the front3. Why do idiots
like ward not just call it like they see it. Clearly going down
the george Hook road........Idiotsmileys/sad.gif

He was the best of the front three but he was still
dissapointing. We all know the potential of Buckley as a
huge ball carrier and ruck hitter. We've all seen him having
the odd really excellent game for Munster and Ireland, so
we know what performances he is capable of. Saturday,
Mushy needed to stand up and have a big game and I don't
think he did - I don't think he was overtly bad but I don't
think he stepped up.

What drives everyone insane about Mushy is he could be the best in his position in the WORLD - and he just can't be bothered. He's like the weather - mainly s**t with occasional periods of sunshine.

We'll still take him to NZ though.
UNfair - I really don't think it's that he can't be bothered, he needs good scrum coaching. Let's see how he gets on at Sale

[Bullman]

Typical Tony Ward
Bulls**t..................Describing Mushy as Dissapointing
when he was clearly the better of the front3. Why do idiots
like ward not just call it like they see it. Clearly going down
the george Hook road........Idiotsmileys/sad.gif

He was the best of the front three but he was still
dissapointing. We all know the potential of Buckley as a
huge ball carrier and ruck hitter. We've all seen him having
the odd really excellent game for Munster and Ireland, so
we know what performances he is capable of. Saturday,
Mushy needed to stand up and have a big game and I don't
think he did - I don't think he was overtly bad but I don't
think he stepped up.

What drives everyone insane about Mushy is he could be the best in his position in the WORLD - and he just can't be bothered. He's like the weather - mainly s**t with occasional periods of sunshine.

We'll still take him to NZ though.



Dont get me wrong, I'm not defending mushy. I'm simply asking why? Did Mushy shag his missus or something?Ithought he did pretty well considering its pre season &amp; heis about 3 weeks behind the others. What I'm saying is why do the likes of Ward &amp; otherscome out&amp; write a match report &amp;single out one player for abuse when he wasIn my opinion one of the better forwards &amp; most certainly the best of the front rows.Is it hatred? It certainly is unprofessional.........

[the plastic paddy]

Typical Tony Ward
Bulls**t..................Describing Mushy as Dissapointing
when he was clearly the better of the front3. Why do idiots
like ward not just call it like they see it. Clearly going down
the george Hook road........Idiotsmileys/sad.gif

He was the best of the front three but he was still
dissapointing. We all know the potential of Buckley as a
huge ball carrier and ruck hitter. We've all seen him having
the odd really excellent game for Munster and Ireland, so
we know what performances he is capable of. Saturday,
Mushy needed to stand up and have a big game and I don't
think he did - I don't think he was overtly bad but I don't
think he stepped up.

What drives everyone insane about Mushy is he could be the best in his position in the WORLD - and he just can't be bothered. He's like the weather - mainly s**t with occasional periods of sunshine.

We'll still take him to NZ though.
Did you see the unbelievable passage of play on saturday with Ireland attacking and Mushy sat on his behind sorting out his shoelaces. It was almost surreal to watch him sat there almost oblivious to what was going on around him and he was right in the middle of the field on the gain line!! When I posted this before everyone laughed at me but I still think he could do with shaving his hair off so he doesn't look like a cuddly bear. It must be so fecking frustrating to coach him as he is a very skillful player in the loose with greathands but he is just too gentle a giant for me. Can't see him being one of the 5 props though, Surely Bull will be TH back up won't he? Unless he can play LH and goes instead of Court. Although even if he is s**t at LH he can't be much worse than the Aussie.

[Aussiedub]

12. Mcfadden 13. Earls .. back to the 11
slot when BOD returns You just answered your
own question about the Autumn internationals. Why play
Earls out of position in the centre when you that when BOD
is fit he's the man and why play McFadden when you know
D'Arcy is better - and for a competitive test too!Most
people do not believe that the Autumn Internationals are
there to be thrown.



RB,



We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been testedas backup for certain
problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do
weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably
cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??



Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...In a WC
year,theAIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.



Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking
back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and
wewouldhave actuallylearned something!



RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st
15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.





Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level defensively. If he had BOD
at 12 then he could play 13. But he needs a rock solid
defender beside him in the centre because Mc Fadden
defensively isnt the same as Darcy or BOD.

The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.

Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.


Put Downey and BOD in the centres with Sexton at 10 and you have a great defensive line with a power runner to get over the gain line

[Waterfordlad]

Les Kiss on Saturday's performance: G THornley in IT


THERE WEREN’T too many collective plusses to Ireland’s opening offering in Murrayfield, but the defence was by some distance the most positive. Hence, when it came to wheeling out one of the Irish coaching staff yesterday, step forward Les Kiss


It’s perhaps easier for a team to apply their defensive system in a seasonal opener but for Kiss at any rate, there was much to be content with after a good work-out. The opening quarter set the tone, with the team having to make about 93 tackles in the first 20 minutes.


“That’s getting up in the extreme end of the scale. The guys certainly had to dig deep for themselves and each other in those moments, there were some good things but there is still a lot more to come from us.”


In particular Kiss reckoned Ireland “could have been sharper” not only in their technique but in recognising opportunities to apply more line speed.


There were, he admitted, a couple of blemishes in midfield and out wide for Jo Ansbro’s decisive try, as well as four or five line breaks – of which he reckoned two could have been averted by players filling the line rather than needlessly joining rucks.


But the scrambling defence was especially good, as were the trademark ‘choke’ tackles which held up Scottish runners, which Andy Robinson praised as “unique” afterwards. There are signs that other teams are starting to copy this blueprint, but Kiss was unconcerned about Ireland showing their hand.


“I would be hesitant to say that we are just an upright tackle team, when you look at the stats when we were first into the tackle 60 per cent went in high, the rest were low, so you’ve got some good chop tackle as well. If it’s perceived that way, that’s good because I know it’s a good strength that teams have to work out how do they play against that. Does that mean that they forget about passing the ball and trying to go low and trying to create quick ball which then dilutes the way they like to attack?”


“I like to think that the whole system allows guys to bring their strengths to the game, whether it’s an upright tackle and get into a choke and hold it to a maul, and some guys can really read it well and chop the legs and get over the ball and have better decisions that way. I’m hopeful that there is a broad range of skills that we can bring to the tackle area.”


Aside from being highly motivated, Kiss is also infectiously enthusiastic about the game and was a keen student of his native Australia’s defeat to the All Blacks on Saturday. Although, as he stressed, Ireland’s pivotal second pool game against Australia is a while away yet, Kiss did concede that the Kiwis provided something of a defensive template, especially in negating the playmaking influence of the Wallabies’ halves, Will Genia and Quade Cooper.


“They were also smart, the All Blacks, in not allowing the Aussie (ruck) cleaners to take people off out of the tackle area which puts hesitation on your pillar defenders. They were strong there. They didn’t get taken out which was a Reds tactic they used all year which then gives Genia room to move and you hesitate, which opens up space.


“That allowed them to apply the right amount of line speed, particularly on the inside on Cooper, so he passed earlier than he wanted to. He couldn’t take the line under his terms, and those were the interesting things there. But it started in the middle, in the tackle, and I think McCaw and (Kieron) Read and co were crucial in the pressure they put there.”


But none of that will count for much, he pointed out, unless Ireland begin upping their defensive effort against France over the next two weekends.


Similarly, Kiss recognises the need for efficient tackling to prevent the French “congealing” Ireland’s defence with their offloading game and then striking out wide.


“That’s when they’re dangerous, so we need to be able to do the work at the tackle to ensure they don’t get the extra space that they’re loo

[McCloud]

irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Tuesday, August 9, 2011,
13:51

Murphy returns for Tigers

Rugby: Geordan Murphy made a successful return to
competitive action last night when he played 50 minutes for
the Leicester Tigers in a friendly match against Montpellier.
The Irish fullback is returning from a broken foot and ankle
and showed no ill effects from his outing in France, a match
Montpellier won 50-24.

Tigers’ Director of rugby Richard Cockerill said: “Geordy
had 50 minutes for the first time in several months and so
did Mathew Tait. These guys have had long injuries so it is
good to get them back on the pitch.”

Murphy’s return is good news for Ireland coach Declan
Kidney as he prepares to finalise his squad for the
upcoming World Cup in New Zealand. At this juncture the
Tigers’ captain would have to play for Ireland in the return
game against France at Lansdowne Road if he was to
entertain realistic hopes of forcing his way onto the plane.

[kahalui]

12. Mcfadden 13. Earls .. back to the 11
slot when BOD returns You just answered your
own question about the Autumn internationals. Why play
Earls out of position in the centre when you that when BOD
is fit he's the man and why play McFadden when you know
D'Arcy is better - and for a competitive test too!Most
people do not believe that the Autumn Internationals are
there to be thrown.



RB,



We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been testedas backup for certain
problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do
weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably
cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??



Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...In a WC
year,theAIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.



Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking
back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and
wewouldhave actuallylearned something!



RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st
15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.





Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level defensively.If he had BOD
at 12 then he could play 13. But he needs a rock solid
defender beside him in the centre because Mc Fadden
defensively isnt the same as Darcy or BOD.

The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.

Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.


Whilst id agreeMcfadden was at fault (along with Wallace,Kearney,Jones)for the try, he was very solid in defence throughout the game.. a game hestartedat 13 (not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for Leinster and it was hisOC debut for Ire.


Outlaw,our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well. Did you spot BODs missed tacklefor theFoden try in the first halfof the HC final?Darcy was terrible in defence in the first half as well, and hewasfalling offstraightforward tacklesinrecent 6N games.


You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood out as being theunanimous weaklink in defence (or at least in the physicality stakes) on saturday.

[The Outlaw]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.



RB,


We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been tested*as backup for certain
problem positions*over the past couple of years*imo.*Do
we*know*who's*next in line (or who can reliably
cover)*at*OC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,*Fitz ??*and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??


Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...*In a WC
year,</font></font>*the*AIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/players*imo*.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.*


Besides, there was every reason to*bench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent*6N. Looking
back, they literally*couldnt have been any*worse and
we*would*have actually*learned something!


RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our*'1st
15' and came third (i think)*in the 6N with*more '1st 15's.



Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.*If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.


Whilst id agree*Mcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,*Kearney,*Jones)*for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game he*started*at 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was his*OC debut for Ire.


Outlaw,*our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tackle*for the*Foden try in the
first half*of the HC final?*Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and he*was*falling off*straightforward
tackles*in*recent 6N games.*


You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being the*unanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.


*


*

I dont have a preferred option- because we haven't got
one. Maybe we should have gone with Downey purely for
defence.

[NotreDameRFC]

12. Mcfadden 13. Earls .. back to the 11
slot when BOD returns You just answered your
own question about the Autumn internationals. Why play
Earls out of position in the centre when you that when BOD
is fit he's the man and why play McFadden when you know
D'Arcy is better - and for a competitive test too!Most
people do not believe that the Autumn Internationals are
there to be thrown.



RB,



We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been testedas backup for certain
problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do
weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably
cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??



Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...In a WC
year,theAIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.



Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking
back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and
wewouldhave actuallylearned something!



RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st
15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.





Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level defensively.If he had BOD
at 12 then he could play 13. But he needs a rock solid
defender beside him in the centre because Mc Fadden
defensively isnt the same as Darcy or BOD.

The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.

Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.


Whilst id agreeMcfadden was at fault (along with Wallace,Kearney,Jones)for the try, he was very solid in defence throughout the game.. a game hestartedat 13 (not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for Leinster and it was hisOC debut for Ire.


Outlaw,our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well. Did you spot BODs missed tacklefor theFoden try in the first halfof the HC final?Darcy was terrible in defence in the first half as well, and hewasfalling offstraightforward tacklesinrecent 6N games.


You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood out as being theunanimous weaklink in defence (or at least in the physicality stakes) on saturday.











Kahulai... Outlaw is Dk in disguise... his love for Paddy Wallace and dismissiveness of Jennings means he has to be Deccie. smileys/wink.gif

[The Outlaw]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.



RB,


We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been tested*as backup for certain
problem positions*over the past couple of years*imo.*Do
we*know*who's*next in line (or who can reliably
cover)*at*OC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,*Fitz ??*and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??


Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...*In a WC
year,</font></font>*the*AIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/players*imo*.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.*


Besides, there was every reason to*bench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent*6N. Looking
back, they literally*couldnt have been any*worse and
we*would*have actually*learned something!


RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our*'1st
15' and came third (i think)*in the 6N with*more '1st 15's.



Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.*If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.


Whilst id agree*Mcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,*Kearney,*Jones)*for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game he*started*at 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was his*OC debut for Ire.


Outlaw,*our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tackle*for the*Foden try in the
first half*of the HC final?*Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and he*was*falling off*straightforward
tackles*in*recent 6N games.*


You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being the*unanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.


*


*





Kahulai... Outlaw is Dk in disguise... his love for Paddy
Wallace and dismissiveness of Jennings means he has to
be Deccie. smileys/wink.gif

I dont have any love for Wallace. As I said for those who
can read I wouldnt have him in my team.

I dont think Jennings is international standard. Never have.

[NotreDameRFC]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.




RB,



We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been testedas backup for certain
problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do
weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably
cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??



Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...In a WC
year,theAIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.



Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking
back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and
wewouldhave actuallylearned something!



RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st
15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.




Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.



Whilst id agreeMcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,Kearney,Jones)for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game hestartedat 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was hisOC debut for Ire.



Outlaw,our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tacklefor theFoden try in the
first halfof the HC final?Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and hewasfalling offstraightforward
tacklesinrecent 6N games.



You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being theunanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.















Kahulai... Outlaw is Dk in disguise... his love for Paddy
Wallace and dismissiveness of Jennings means he has to
be Deccie. smileys/wink.gif




I dont have any love for Wallace. As I said for those who
can read I wouldnt have him in my team.

I dont think Jennings is international standard. Never have.


Yes deccie , we have read that once or twice ( at least on here).... but thanks for letting us know again.


Also a forum is a strange place for people to come if they cant read.

[the plastic paddy]

Saints score their fair share of tries and from what I have seen plenty of them come after Downey has taken the ball up and drawn in defenders. Even ashton and Foden need space although listening to the way the English go on about them you wouldn't think so.

[NotreDameRFC]

Roger Wilson wasnt half bad in HEC final either for that matter

[kahalui]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.




RB,



We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been testedas backup for certain
problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do
weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably
cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??



Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...In a WC
year,theAIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.



Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking
back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and
wewouldhave actuallylearned something!



RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st
15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.




Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.



Whilst id agreeMcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,Kearney,Jones)for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game hestartedat 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was hisOC debut for Ire.



Outlaw,our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tacklefor theFoden try in the
first halfof the HC final?Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and hewasfalling offstraightforward
tacklesinrecent 6N games.



You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being theunanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.












I dont have a preferred option- because we haven't got
one. Maybe we should have gone with Downey purely for
defence.


On the 'Ire extended squad' (edit)thread you said your prefered back up optionfor 12was PW and after him Fitz.

[slipper1]

Horan back with Munster this week
kahalui

Just spotted it, WL.

Someone said Buckley had experience playing LH, is that true?


He started at LHPaway to Gloucester buthad to be replaced with Pucciarello,that was backin 2008 under Kidney. There aren't many Irish players that the Kiwiswould be worried about, Mushy on formis one of them though. He nearlybroke McCaw in two the last time they met. Hayes is more dependable at scrumtime and around the field, but he's past it. Buckley may not produce a scrummaging performance v England or Wales but he should be ok v Australia or even New Zealand. Court was anonymous v the Scots. smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

[Delmar O'Donnell]

Typical Tony Ward
Bulls**t..................**Describing *Mushy as Dissapointing
when he was clearly the better of the front*3. Why do idiots
like ward not just call it like they see it. Clearly going down
the george Hook road........Idiotsmileys/sad.gif">* He was the best of the
front three but he was still dissapointing. We all know the
potential of Buckley as a huge ball carrier and ruck hitter.
We've all seen him having the odd really excellent game
for Munster and Ireland, so we know what performances he
is capable of. Saturday, Mushy needed to stand up and
have a big game and I don't think he did - I don't think he
was overtly bad but I don't think he stepped up.
What drives everyone insane about Mushy is he
could be the best in his position in the WORLD - and he just
can't be bothered. He's like the weather - mainly s**t with
occasional periods of sunshine.We'll still take him to NZ
though.


Dont get me wrong, I'm not defending mushy. I'm
simply asking why? Did Mushy shag his missus or
something?*I*thought he did pretty well considering its pre
season & he*is about 3 weeks behind the others*. What I'm
saying is why do the likes of Ward & others*come out*&
write a match report &*single out one player for abuse
when he was*In my opinion one of the better forwards &
most certainly the best of the front rows.*Is it hatred? It
certainly is unprofessional.........*

I think he singled out Mushy because so often you get
Mushy performing like that. You're always waiting on a big
big performance and then he doesn't quite do it. He didn't
single out Court because Court is quite a limited player.
Mushy on his day twice the player Court is but its very
seldom you get him on his day.

[The Outlaw]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.



RB,


We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been tested*as backup for certain
problem positions*over the past couple of years*imo.*Do
we*know*who's*next in line (or who can reliably
cover)*at*OC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,*Fitz ??*and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??


Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...*In a WC
year,</font></font>*the*AIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/players*imo*.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.*


Besides, there was every reason to*bench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent*6N. Looking
back, they literally*couldnt have been any*worse and
we*would*have actually*learned something!


RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our*'1st
15' and came third (i think)*in the 6N with*more '1st 15's.



Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.*If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.


Whilst id agree*Mcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,*Kearney,*Jones)*for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game he*started*at 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was his*OC debut for Ire.


Outlaw,*our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tackle*for the*Foden try in the
first half*of the HC final?*Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and he*was*falling off*straightforward
tackles*in*recent 6N games.*


You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being the*unanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.


*


*


I dont have a preferred option- because we
haven't got one. Maybe we should have gone with Downey
purely for defence.


On the Ire-Scot thread you said your prefered back up
option*for 12*was PW and after him Fitz.

In the absence of no options at 12- that is it yes. You think
Mc Fadden is a 12 at thsi level- I dont. Thats the nuts and
bolts of it.

[The Outlaw]

Roger Wilson wasnt half bad in HEC
final either for that matter

You'll be telling us he is international standard next.

[The Outlaw]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.



RB,


We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been tested*as backup for certain
problem positions*over the past couple of years*imo.*Do
we*know*who's*next in line (or who can reliably
cover)*at*OC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,*Fitz ??*and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??


Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...*In a WC
year,</font></font>*the*AIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/players*imo*.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.*


Besides, there was every reason to*bench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent*6N. Looking
back, they literally*couldnt have been any*worse and
we*would*have actually*learned something!


RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our*'1st
15' and came third (i think)*in the 6N with*more '1st 15's.



Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.*If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.


Whilst id agree*Mcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,*Kearney,*Jones)*for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game he*started*at 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was his*OC debut for Ire.


Outlaw,*our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tackle*for the*Foden try in the
first half*of the HC final?*Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and he*was*falling off*straightforward
tackles*in*recent 6N games.*


You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being the*unanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.


*


*


I dont have a preferred option- because we
haven't got one. Maybe we should have gone with Downey
purely for defence.


On the Ire-Scot thread you said your prefered back up
option*for 12*was PW and after him Fitz.

In the absence of no options at 12- that is it yes. You think
Mc Fadden is a 12 at thsi level- I dont. Thats the nuts and
bolts of it. I dont rate Wallace at this level never have. Yes
I would play Fitz ahead of all of them at 12.

[NotreDameRFC]

Outlaw.... some on here are advocating playing Mc Fadden @ 12 in a warm up game or 2... whats wrong with that ? you dimissing the idea as rubbish before he even gets a game there.......


Your alternative is to stick with Wallace and not even look at McFadden @ 12...


Whats more , if Darcy is out for a game or two....chances are our full strength half backs and centres will be all Leinster , ( Reddan, Sexton, Another and BOD)....


Mc Fadden would have an advnatage playing with guys he really knows...





worth a try in my book.....

[NotreDameRFC]

Roger Wilson wasnt half bad in HEC
final either for that matter

You'll be telling us he is international standard next.


No i wont.... but i wont dismiss the guy as easy as you dismiss Jennings.... you obviously didnt look at Jennings fgor Leinster this year against Toulouse and when he came on against Northampton?


As for standards one could agrue the standard of the HEC was better than some of dilge in the 6N...

[kahalui]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.




RB,



We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been testedas backup for certain
problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do
weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably
cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??



Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...In a WC
year,theAIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.



Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking
back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and
wewouldhave actuallylearned something!



RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st
15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.




Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.



Whilst id agreeMcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,Kearney,Jones)for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game hestartedat 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was hisOC debut for Ire.



Outlaw,our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tacklefor theFoden try in the
first halfof the HC final?Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and hewasfalling offstraightforward
tacklesinrecent 6N games.



You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being theunanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.











I dont have a preferred option- because we
haven't got one. Maybe we should have gone with Downey
purely for defence.



On the Ire-Scot thread you said your prefered back up
optionfor 12was PW and after him Fitz.




In the absence of no options at 12- that is it yes. You think
Mc Fadden is a 12 at thsi level- I dont. Thats the nuts and
bolts of it.


Ibelievehe should be giventhe shoutahead of PW, thats all.I never saidhe was going to be a successfulintl IC. Who knows, he might end up playing OC, or on the wing, in the future..

[the plastic paddy]

Surely Mcfadden has to be tried at 12. Can't see the point in not even trying him out and just shaking your head and saying he is not good enough.

[kahalui]

1 Healy
2 Cronin
3 Ross
4 doc
5 Poc
6 obrien
7 Wallace
8 heaslip
9 Murray
10 Sexton
11 Trimble
12 Mcfadden
13 Earls
14 Bowe
15 Jones

Bench:
Horan, Flannery, Court, Reddan, Rog, MurphyWhere's your BR/2ndRow bench cover?smileys/wink.gif



Think its very important that Ireland win this game. Ireland will gain a huge amount of confidence if so seeing as they struggle so much with the french. I think its important to put out a strong team while experimenting with a few promising young players( Jones, Murray, O'brien, Mcfadden,etc) The pack needs to be very physical and its important that the best front row options are there. Also think its important to have two half back combinations available.Murphy included as a utility back three player. thats what i would go with but im sure declan kidney will probably have the likes of darcy, flannery, and kearney a little more involved.
12

[NotreDameRFC]

1 Healy
2 Cronin
3 Ross
4 doc
5 Poc
6 obrien
7 Wallace
8 heaslip
9 Murray
10 Sexton
11 Trimble
12 Mcfadden
13 Earls
14 Bowe
15 Jones

Bench:
Horan, Flannery, Court, Reddan, Rog, MurphyWhere's your BR/2ndRow bench cover?smileys/wink.gif



Think its very important that Ireland win this game. Ireland will gain a huge amount of confidence if so seeing as they struggle so much with the french. I think its important to put out a strong team while experimenting with a few promising young players( Jones, Murray, O'brien, Mcfadden,etc) The pack needs to be very physical and its important that the best front row options are there. Also think its important to have two half back combinations available.Murphy included as a utility back three player. thats what i would go with but im sure declan kidney will probably have the likes of darcy, flannery, and kearney a little more involved.
12





I agree ETCpostmaster , that young guy O Brien looks promising

[kahalui]

12. Mcfadden 13.
Earls .. back to the 11 slot when BOD returns You
just answered your own question about the Autumn
internationals. Why play Earls out of position in the centre
when you that when BOD is fit he's the man and why play
McFadden when you know D'Arcy is better - and for a
competitive test too!Most people do not believe that the
Autumn Internationals are there to be thrown.




RB,



We already know what BOD/Darcy have to offer, we've
been watching the same partnership for years... Other
options should have been testedas backup for certain
problem positionsover the past couple of yearsimo.Do
weknowwho'snext in line (or who can reliably
cover)atOC- Bowe, Earls, Spence,Fitz ??and the same
for 12- Mcfadden, PW, Downey, Fitz ??



Taking into account our lack of real strength in
depth...In a WC
year,theAIs should've been used to try
out SOME new/other combinations/playersimo.. and that
doesnt necessarily mean putting out weakened teams.



Besides, there was every reason tobench Darcy and try
Mcfadden/Downey/both?? at 12 in the recent6N. Looking
back, they literallycouldnt have been anyworse and
wewouldhave actuallylearned something!



RB, we lost the 2 most important AI games with our'1st
15' and came third (i think)in the 6N withmore '1st 15's.




Mc Fadden isnt a 12 at this level
defensively.If he had BOD at 12 then he could play 13. But
he needs a rock solid defender beside him in the centre
because Mc Fadden defensively isnt the same as Darcy or
BOD. The reality is people underestimate the value of BOD
defensively. Teams rarely bother heading down his
channel. They didnt go down Darcy's until recently either.
Saturdays game in the abscence of both regular centres
will have every team going down the centre.



Whilst id agreeMcfadden was at fault (along with
Wallace,Kearney,Jones)for the try, he was very solid in
defence throughout the game.. a game hestartedat 13
(not 12), a position he hadnt played in for some time for
Leinster and it was hisOC debut for Ire.



Outlaw,our untouchables are prone to mistakes as well.
Did you spot BODs missed tacklefor theFoden try in the
first halfof the HC final?Darcy was terrible in defence in
the first half as well, and hewasfalling offstraightforward
tacklesinrecent 6N games.



You criticise Mcfaddens defense at IC, despite the fact
he's never played there for Ire. Meanwhile, your prefered
defensive WC IC option is PW.. the one player who stood
out as being theunanimous weaklink in defence (or at least
in the physicality stakes) on saturday.











I dont have a preferred option- because we
haven't got one. Maybe we should have gone with Downey
purely for defence.



On the Ire-Scot thread you said your prefered back up
optionfor 12was PW and after him Fitz.




In the absence of no options at 12- that is it yes. You think
Mc Fadden is a 12 at thsi level- I dont. Thats the nuts and
bolts of it. I dont rate Wallace at this level never have. Yes
I would play Fitz ahead of all of them at 12.





Now, you're backpedaling..


<A href="http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29714&

[The Outlaw]

Roger Wilson wasnt half bad in
HEC final either for that matter You'll be telling us
he is international standard next.


No i wont.... but i wont dismiss the guy as easy as you
dismiss Jennings.... you obviously didnt look at Jennings
fgor Leinster this year against* Toulouse and when he came
on against Northampton?


As for standards one could agrue the standard of the
HEC was better than some of dilge in the 6N...

I think Dominic Ryan and Rhys Ruddock are the equal of
Jennings. I think injuries have set Jennings back.

[NotreDameRFC]

Roger Wilson wasnt half bad in
HEC final either for that matter You'll be telling us
he is international standard next.



No i wont.... but i wont dismiss the guy as easy as you
dismiss Jennings.... you obviously didnt look at Jennings
fgor Leinster this year against Toulouse and when he came
on against Northampton?



As for standards one could agrue the standard of the
HEC was better than some of dilge in the 6N...




I think Dominic Ryan and Rhys Ruddock are the equal of
Jennings. I think injuries have set Jennings back.


So we are screwed for the future....... Jennings is not international standard and Ryan and Ruddock are his equals ergo not international standard either?


Jesting aside.......I though Jennings impact in HEc this year was very good.... and your right he has had injuries.. and only getting over the last one...He brings something to the BR most of our other BR's dont .....


First 20mins of the 2nd half of the ML , i thought he was outstanding for Leinster, offloading in the tackle etc and for a while we were chasing shadows and lucky they didnt score.....Jenningss was at heart of that , that day.

[NotreDameRFC]

Accrding to L'equipe France have been training all week with following backline


9.Yachvili,10 Skrela - 11Palisson,12 Mermoz,13 Marty,14 Huget 15Traille.





though i thought Huget was dropped for nt following anti doping procedures....


might be a pointless post or might be the backline....smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

[The Outlaw]

Accrding to L'equipe France
have been training all week with following backline


9.*Yachvili,10 *Skrela - 11Palisson,12 Mermoz,13 Marty,14
Huget 15Traille.


*


though i thought Huget was dropped for nt following anti
doping procedures....


might be a pointless post or might be the backline....
smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

traille at 15 is always a pointless selection.

[jeepers]

Roger Wilson wasnt half bad in

HEC final either for that matter You'll be telling us

he is international standard next.



No i wont.... but i wont dismiss the guy as easy as you

dismiss Jennings.... you obviously didnt look at Jennings

fgor Leinster this year against Toulouse and when he came

on against Northampton?



As for standards one could agrue the standard of the

HEC was better than some of dilge in the 6N...



I think Dominic Ryan and Rhys Ruddock are the equal of

Jennings. I think injuries have set Jennings back.

How do you mean? is it that Jennings rarely now seems to string more than 2 games in a row before picking up another injury?

Word on the t'internet is that the backrow is 6. Leamy, 7. SOB, 8 Heaslip.

Looks like Leamy is covering 6 &amp; 8 and SOB is covering 6 &amp; 7.

[born to hula]

An L'Equipe journo on twitter is saying that BOD is out and ROG is starting along with
O'Connell, Heaslip, Ross and Best. That's all he mentions.

[the plastic paddy]

An L'Equipe journo on twitter is saying that BOD is out and ROG is starting along with
O'Connell, Heaslip, Ross and Best. That's all he mentions. We know BOD is not playing from our very own Indo / times/ examiner.

[The Outlaw]

An L'Equipe
journo on twitter is saying that BOD is out and ROG is starting
along with O'Connell, Heaslip, Ross and Best. That's all he
mentions. We know BOD is not playing from our
very own Indo / times/ examiner.

That shoulder of BOD's seems to be more troublesome then
thought. He's been carrying it for a while now. To be fair he
doesnt really need to play in these matches in view of what
happened in the pre-2007 world cup games

[tickettout]

Anyone else get the feeling that we are going to balls up our preparation again for this w/c?

[Allez Les Rouges]

Anyone else get the feeling that we are going to balls up our preparation again for this w/c?





Lets not be doom and gloom! I realise that we didn't get things right in France 2007WC. But let's give everyone credit that we are doing things as professionally as possible. We have to be positive.


What could hit us harder than the bigger countries would be injuries to key players as we simply don't have the strength in depth. BOD, POC, Sexton, Bowe and ROG would be hard to replace. France have the depth of talent to replace "like with like". It is why there was a collective sigh of relief when Flannery came through 20 minutes of rugby on Saturday.Likewise with Geordan not yet quite ready we were delighted to see Kearney play 80 minutes.


I have no doubt that our team will be as well prepared as can be. Many of the players are HC winners and all are good professionals committed to the cause.


We have to believe!

[McCloud]

Anyone else get the feeling that we are going to balls up our preparation again for this w/c?





Nope.

[banjaxed]

Murphy returns to Irish squad after lay-off


GERRY THORNLEY


GEORDAN MURPHY has been recalled from Leicester’s pre-season preparations in France to re-join the Irish squad today after coming through 56 minutes of the Tigers’ pre-season defeat in Montpellier on Monday night unscathed. Leicester lost 52-24 but reported no injuries, with Murphy happy after his first outing since sustaining a broken foot and damaged ankle against Northampton last January.


Murphy missed the 2003 World Cup when he suffered a broken leg in Murrayfield two days before the squad was announced, and scored a try in the defeat to Argentina in Ireland’s final pool match four years ago when belatedly given his first game. The classy 33-year-old offers Declan Kidney experience as well as versatility, but is in a race against time to make the cut on August 22nd, and is unlikely to feature in the match-day squad for Saturday’s game in Bordeaux.


Realistically, therefore, Murphy would need to start in the return game the following week, or at any rate Ireland’s match against Connacht, to prove his well-being.


Ireland’s defeat to Scotland last Saturday has seen them slip two places, from fourth to sixth, in the IRB world rankings, as both England and France move above them.


Mick O’Driscoll, Niall Ronan, Marcus Horan, (who all played in Edinburgh), Damien Varley and Peter Stringer were all released back to Munster and will travel with the squad to France tomorrow for a training camp that concludes with the first of three pre-season matches in the picturesque port town of La Rochelle on the Bay of Biscay on Friday night. Also included in Munster’s squad are newcomers BJ Botha and Ian Keatley, along with Under-20 International JJ Hanrahan.


Similarly, Tom Court has been released to play for Ulster in their seasonal opener in Bayonne this evening, whereas Rory Best, Paddy Wallace and Andrew Trimble have not. Development and Irish under-20 World Cup outhalf James McKinney and Academy winger Ricky Andrew, who spent the past season at the Castres academy, will both make their debuts for the senior side.


As the preparations for the World Cup intensify, three of Ireland’s pool rivals are in action this weekend. Australia play South Africa in the Tri Nations in Durban, while Italy play Japan in Cesena on Saturday and Eddie O’Sullivan’s USA Eagles host Canada in Glendale, California, in a return meeting after the Canucks won the first match 28-22 in Toronto last weekend.


Mazda have been confirmed as the Official Title Sponsor of Connacht Rugby yesterday, and will invest over €1.5m over the next three years as part of a major sponsorship deal which will facilitate the development of both brands.


ULSTER (v Bayonne): A D’Arcy; C Gaston, D Cave, I Whitten, R Andrew; J McKinney, P Marshall; T Court, A Kyriacou, D Fitzpatrick, T Barker, N McComb, P Wannenburg, C Henry, R Diack. Replacements: C Black, P McAllister, A Macklin, J Cronin, J Burns, L Stevenson, M McComish, W Faloon, I Porter, P Jackson, C Gilroy.


MUNSTER SQUAD (v La Rochelle): D Hurley, S Zebo, D Howlett, J Murphy, S Deasy, JJ Hanrahan, D Barnes, L Mafi, I Keatley, D Cusack, G Hurley, P Stringer, D Williams, D Hurley, W du Preez, BJ Botha, M Horan, P Borlase, S Archer, D Varley, D Fogarty, M Sherry, M O’Driscoll, I Nagle, D O’Callaghan, P Butler, B Holland, N Ronan, J Coughlan, T O’Donnell, P O’Mahony.

[kahalui]

So Horan's back with Munster and Court is in Usters 1st 15 for the
Bayonne game tonight. Looks like Healy's starting at the weekend with
Court as cover?

[Cathal]

Hear that? It's the sound of Thornley cracking one out to old
videos of Murphy.

[Blindsider.]

Bloody ridiculous! I'm surprised to see GT so openly biased - he usually hides it better. Still the 30 will be announced soon, and Murphy needs all the help he can get.

Charlie Mulqueen was the same in yesterday's Examiner about TOL - grrrr!

For me, it's pretty simple. Geordan Murphy is too much of a gamble. He's been out injured too long and his international form has been poor for a few years. He no longer scares defences - Felix has shown excellent form last season and can counter well. He has no fears under a high ball and loves broken play running - he scares defences!

TOL is the same - out too long and his pass has been too slow since forever. He should consider converting to a 12 - then ill-informed commentators can gush about his physicality all day. His box-kicking is sooooo 3 years ago - has he not learned that kicking away possession needlessly just opens it up for the opposition? Why do players kick away possession, when there are no runners to chase the ball? I find this very frustrating.

Conor Murray needs at least 20 mins to prove himself at this level - he hasn't been found wanting and Tony Ward said this week that he's been going really well in training. I really hope he gets the chance on Saturday!

We need an aggressive, speedy backline who will counter-attack.

A backline of: Kearney (Jones), Bowe, Earls (Luke - if he stops the stupid chip-kicks!), BOD, McFadden, Sexton (ROG), Reddan/Boss (Murray) is what we need against Oz - not the old favourite who has done long interviews for their pet journo over the years!

In a squad of 30, there's no room for passengers!

[the plastic paddy]

So Horan's back with Munster and Court is in Usters 1st 15 for the
Bayonne game tonight. Looks like Healy's starting at the weekend with
Court as cover? Maybe we are going to be treated to Mushy packing down on the LH side. What could possibly go wrong? Looking like FR will be Healy, Best, Ross with Fla replacement hooker and Court replacement prop or maybe they will go with Bull off the bench as well given not sure ROG is 100% yet.

[bigron2010]

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=126479&amp;part=sp (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=126479&amp;part=sports) orts


Some people were looking for coverage of the match. Hopefully this will offer some options. Usually pretty reliable.

[Dumptruck]

Leamy starts again this weekend (not sure if at 6 or smileys/cool.gif .


Paulie starts, DOC starts.


Conor Murray on bench .


ROG still minding a slight niggle so prob won't play.


Fla will get another run .


Bowe, Earls will play .





That's what I am hearing

[McCloud]

Murray on the bench and getting 20 minutes would be good to
see.

[Waterfordlad]

Leamy starts again this weekend (not sure if at 6 or smileys/cool.gif .


Paulie starts, DOC starts.


Conor Murray on bench .


ROG still minding a slight niggle so prob won't play.


Fla will get another run .


Bowe, Earls will play .





That's what I am hearing Sounds good

[Allez Les Rouges]

Murray on the bench and getting 20 minutes would be good to
see.





Reddan starts


That will mean 4 of the squad scrumhalves will have got game time. at the end of two games.Looks like Peter S has fallen to No 5 in the pecking order (for the moment anyway) unless he performs at La Rochelle.


Kidney has been known to spring a surprise or two, contrary to what posters might believe.

[kahalui]

So Horan's back with Munster and Court is in Usters 1st 15 for the
Bayonne game tonight. Looks like Healy's starting at the weekend with
Court as cover? Maybe we are going to be treated to Mushy packing down on the LH side. What could possibly go wrong? Looking like FR will be Healy, Best, Ross with Fla replacement hooker and Court replacement prop or maybe they will go with Bull off the bench as well given not sure ROG is 100% yet.


Shave his head firstand we should be oksmileys/wink.gif

[Benji]

G Murphy was the top full back over in the premiership over the last maybe ten years and has won nearly everything.


His best day are behind him in my opinion but wouldnt doubt he would add something special if included in a squad. Eos wasnt a fan of his and he lost out to Mr Reliable at 15 for Ireland on too many occasions.


Cant see him making the squad.


Now. Jones. Maybe someone can tell me what has Jones done to deserve some of the high praise he seems to get here.


He was injured for most of last year and Its not like he was class on what he showed playing for Leinster/Munster before that? People using words like he scares defences- Great in the air and strong tackler based on a few games.


He didnt get enough of a chance last week and Im sure he will. I hope he turns out to be a great player but for me he needs to do it for more than a half dozen games before he can be judged.


Its a similar case with Murray. I for one like what I saw of him at the end of last season but he needs to continue his development.

[the plastic paddy]

So Horan's back with Munster and Court is in Usters 1st 15 for the
Bayonne game tonight. Looks like Healy's starting at the weekend with
Court as cover? Maybe we are going to be treated to Mushy packing down on the LH side. What could possibly go wrong? Looking like FR will be Healy, Best, Ross with Fla replacement hooker and Court replacement prop or maybe they will go with Bull off the bench as well given not sure ROG is 100% yet.


Shave his head firstand we should be oksmileys/wink.gif smileys/lol.gifwondered if anyone had spotted my great theory!?!

[JoeyFantastic]

G Murphy was the top full back over in
the premiership over the last maybe ten years and has
won nearly everything.


His best day are behind him in my opinion but wouldnt
doubt he would add something special if included in a
squad. Eos wasnt a fan of his and he lost out to Mr Reliable
at 15 for Ireland on too many occasions.


Cant see him making the squad.


Now. Jones.* Maybe someone can tell me what has
Jones done to deserve some of the high praise he seems to
get here.


He was injured for most of last year and Its not like he
was class on what he showed playing for Leinster/Munster
before that? People using words like he scares defences-
Great in the air and strong tackler based on a few games.



He didnt get enough of a chance last week and Im sure
he will. I hope he turns out to be a great player but for me
he needs to do it for more than a half dozen games before
he can be judged.


Its a similar case with Murray. I for one like what I saw
of him at the end of last season but he needs to continue
his development.


*


*


*

There's a lot of romance about the Felix Jones comeback
but I'd agree, it's too soon for him. He was very good at
the end of last season though. I also think people are over-
reacting to him because he looked like an actual fullback
when he played, as opposed to Warwick who looked good
but was hardly a classic fullback.

[Benji]

Here's an off the wall one. If your going with 5/6 type player to cover the backrow and second row. Well could Mushy cover second row duties.


Nobody would be lifting him but his big enough to hold a scrum. Surely strong enough.


A bench of Cronin, Mushy, Ryan and a loose head prop.

[Blindsider.]

G Murphy was the top full back over in the premiership over the last maybe ten years and has won nearly everything.


His best day are behind him in my opinion but wouldnt doubt he would add something special if included in a squad</span>. (A bit too vague for me - he hasn't played in ages!)</span> Eos wasnt a fan of his and he lost out to Mr Reliable at 15 for Ireland on too many occasions.


Cant see him making the squad.


Now. Jones. Maybe someone can tell me what has Jones done to deserve some of the high praise he seems to get here.


He was injured for most of last year and Its not like he was class on what he showed playing for Leinster/Munster before that? People using words like he scares defences- Great in the air and strong tackler based on a few games.


He didnt get enough of a chance last week and Im sure he will. I hope he turns out to be a great player but for me he needs to do it for more than a half dozen games before he can be judged.



Its a similar case with Murray. I for one like what I saw of him at the end of last season but he needs to continue his development.

IMHO the game has changed. Look at the SH teams and France - they are all running the ball out of defence. Kick/chase is dead - you're gifting possession to the opposition, who will make the yards, ruck, and set up the next phase. Once your team's defence has been caught by even a few yards, their attack has you cold.

Murphy can no longer operate in the kind of back line we need. We need fast backs with good hands and an eye for a gap.

Neither Murray no Jones have long pedigrees at any level. If they did we wouldn't be having this debate smileys/wink.gif

BUT, they have both taken every opportunity to impress. Anything asked of them was delivered.

Murray has worked well and shown TOL's passing for what it is - slow. Murray can break, and keeps his head. For me, he's ahead of TOL.

Personally I would bring Reddan, Boss and Strings - Strings offers sth different to the other 2. But DK seems unlikely to bring Strings, so I would bring Murray - he's up to it and we need him to develop more at this level.

Boss and Reddan are 31 - Strings is 34, TOL is almost 28. Murray is 22.

Murray is the future and needs the experience - he has the class.

Jones is (for me) the #2 FB in the country - simple as. He needs to go. Earls can cover, Luke can't - who else in the 43 should go instead?

[slipper1]

Murray on the bench and getting 20 minutes would be good to
see.


Murray starting would be better to see, give Reddan 15 - 20 minutes.


Jones needs a fair run aswell, as a fullback he's on a completely different level to Kearney.

[Dowlinz]

For me, it's pretty simple. Geordan Murphy is too much of a gamble. He's been out injured too long and his international form has been poor for a few years. He no longer scares defences - Felix has shown excellent form last season and can counter well. He has no fears under a high ball and loves broken play running - he scares defences!





I'll admit he scared the living daylights out of the Irish defence on saturday with his positional sense.

[Dowlinz]

G Murphy was the top full back over in the premiership over the last maybe ten years and has won nearly everything.


His best day are behind him in my opinion but wouldnt doubt he would add something special if included in a squad</span>. (A bit too vague for me - he hasn't played in ages!)</span> Eos wasnt a fan of his and he lost out to Mr Reliable at 15 for Ireland on too many occasions.


Cant see him making the squad.


Now. Jones. Maybe someone can tell me what has Jones done to deserve some of the high praise he seems to get here.


He was injured for most of last year and Its not like he was class on what he showed playing for Leinster/Munster before that? People using words like he scares defences- Great in the air and strong tackler based on a few games.


He didnt get enough of a chance last week and Im sure he will. I hope he turns out to be a great player but for me he needs to do it for more than a half dozen games before he can be judged.



Its a similar case with Murray. I for one like what I saw of him at the end of last season but he needs to continue his development.

IMHO the game has changed. Look at the SH teams and France - they are all running the ball out of defence. Kick/chase is dead - you're gifting possession to the opposition, who will make the yards, ruck, and set up the next phase. Once your team's defence has been caught by even a few yards, their attack has you cold.

Murphy can no longer operate in the kind of back line we need. We need fast backs with good hands and an eye for a gap.

Neither Murray no Jones have long pedigrees at any level. If they did we wouldn't be having this debate smileys/wink.gif

BUT, they have both taken every opportunity to impress. Anything asked of them was delivered.

Murray has worked well and shown TOL's passing for what it is - slow. Murray can break, and keeps his head. For me, he's ahead of TOL.

Personally I would bring Reddan, Boss and Strings - Strings offers sth different to the other 2. But DK seems unlikely to bring Strings, so I would bring Murray - he's up to it and we need him to develop more at this level.

Boss and Reddan are 31 - Strings is 34, TOL is almost 28. Murray is 22.

Murray is the future and needs the experience - he has the class.

Jones is (for me) the #2 FB in the country - simple as. He needs to go. Earls can cover, Luke can't - who else in the 43 should go instead?



I wouldn't disagree that Felix is the #2 FB in the country but for me that isn't enough for him to travel. Why? Because as a #2 FB he needs to offer more than just being the #2 FB he'd need to be an international standard winger as well which he doesn't seem capable of. Murphy is, he brings a cool head and experience for bench impact on the big games, he'd have no issue whatsoever in Earls backup up FB either.

For Felix to travel he'd either need to be a capable winger or to be head and shoulders better than Kearney, he's neither and has a weak claim to a backup spot as a result.

[slipper1]

Kearney shouldn't be the no. 1 fullback, why should he bein your opinion ? he caught a few high balls on a Lions tour, that any gaa player in the country could manage but Sky were amazed by it all. He's lost his pace and it shows, so he's no longer a threat. Same with Luke Fitz, hisstraight line speed is gone aswell and it was shown up badly v Scotland a few times, but we continue to play him on the wing. Coupled with 2 centers that have lost their pace.

[Benji]

Murray on the bench and getting 20 minutes would be good to
see.


Murray starting would be better to see, give Reddan 15 - 20 minutes.


Jones needs a fair run aswell, as a fullback he's on a completely different level to Kearney.


Completely different level? What level is that? He hasnt done enough. If Kearney doesnt make a massive mistake in the next two weeks the 15 shirt is his. Deccie isnt going to pick Jones based on a few end of season games for Munster ditto Murray.


Sure you could but a 20 minute video of some great things that Jones did at the end of the season but thats not enough.


People seem to be wishing that he will be a great full back rather than dealing with facts and actual performances

[Benji]

G Murphy was the top full back over in the premiership over the last maybe ten years and has won nearly everything.


His best day are behind him in my opinion but wouldnt doubt he would add something special if included in a squad. (A bit too vague for me - he hasn't played in ages!) Eos wasnt a fan of his and he lost out to Mr Reliable at 15 for Ireland on too many occasions.


Cant see him making the squad.


Now. Jones. Maybe someone can tell me what has Jones done to deserve some of the high praise he seems to get here.


He was injured for most of last year and Its not like he was class on what he showed playing for Leinster/Munster before that? People using words like he scares defences- Great in the air and strong tackler based on a few games.


He didnt get enough of a chance last week and Im sure he will. I hope he turns out to be a great player but for me he needs to do it for more than a half dozen games before he can be judged.


Its a similar case with Murray. I for one like what I saw of him at the end of last season but he needs to continue his development.




IMHO the game has changed. Look at the SH teams and France - they are all running the ball out of defence. Kick/chase is dead - you're gifting possession to the opposition, who will make the yards, ruck, and set up the next phase. Once your team's defence has been caught by even a few yards, their attack has you cold.

Murphy can no longer operate in the kind of back line we need. We need fast backs with good hands and an eye for a gap.

Neither Murray no Jones have long pedigrees at any level. If they did we wouldn't be having this debate smileys/wink.gif

BUT, they have both taken every opportunity to impress. Anything asked of them was delivered.

Murray has worked well and shown TOL's passing for what it is - slow. Murray can break, and keeps his head. For me, he's ahead of TOL.

Personally I would bring Reddan, Boss and Strings - Strings offers sth different to the other 2. But DK seems unlikely to bring Strings, so I would bring Murray - he's up to it and we need him to develop more at this level.

Boss and Reddan are 31 - Strings is 34, TOL is almost 28. Murray is 22.

Murray is the future and needs the experience - he has the class.

Jones is (for me) the #2 FB in the country - simple as. He needs to go. Earls can cover, Luke can't - who else in the 43 should go instead?
Murphy is a great open field runner and while he isnt as fast as he was he can sniff a gap and make a break- those little breaks open defences. His been doing it for years with Leicester. This is what I mean by offering something special. He can play off the cuff and he isnt and never was a real kick and chase merchant. Did you think he was?


Murray!! Some on here seemed to believe that he only arrived in Munster last march. His got alot of developing to do. ? We dont know what his like because he hasnt played enough. But sure someone will probably quote some A game or Ail match but were talking internationals which is a giant leap from what he has done.

[slipper1]

Murray on the bench and getting 20 minutes would be good to
see.


Murray starting would be better to see, give Reddan 15 - 20 minutes.


Jones needs a fair run aswell, as a fullback he's on a completely different level to Kearney.


Completely different level? What level is that? He hasnt done enough. If Kearney doesnt make a massive mistake in the next two weeks the 15 shirt is his. Deccie isnt going to pick Jones based on a few end of season games for Munster ditto Murray.


Sure you could but a 20 minute video of some great things that Jones did at the end of the season but thats not enough.


People seem to be wishing that he will be a great full back rather than dealing with facts and actual performances





Is that your criteria ? The jersey is yours provided you do not make a mistake Robert ? What about playing for it ? If they do, Jones will have it as he's a better tackler, counter-attacker, can join the line in attack, is faster, strong under a high ball and in form.

[Blindsider.]

For me, it's pretty simple. Geordan Murphy is too much of a gamble. He's been out injured too long and his international form has been poor for a few years. He no longer scares defences - Felix has shown excellent form last season and can counter well. He has no fears under a high ball and loves broken play running - he scares defences!





I'll admit he scared the living daylights out of the Irish defence on saturday with his positional sense.


Surely you're not trying to shift some of the blame for the try onto Felix????

McFadden shot up and created the hole, and Wallace(?) was naive enough to let himself get blocked in mid-field. That's where the damage was done - it was all over after that.

[Benji]

Murray on the bench and getting 20 minutes would be good to
see.


Murray starting would be better to see, give Reddan 15 - 20 minutes.


Jones needs a fair run aswell, as a fullback he's on a completely different level to Kearney.


Completely different level? What level is that? He hasnt done enough. If Kearney doesnt make a massive mistake in the next two weeks the 15 shirt is his. Deccie isnt going to pick Jones based on a few end of season games for Munster ditto Murray.


Sure you could but a 20 minute video of some great things that Jones did at the end of the season but thats not enough.


People seem to be wishing that he will be a great full back rather than dealing with facts and actual performances





Is that your criteria ? The jersey is yours provided you do not make a mistake Robert ? What about playing for it ? If they do, Jones will have it as he's a better tackler, counter-attacker, can join the line in attack, is faster, strong under a high ball and in form.


No thats not the criteria. Jones will get his chance in the next few weeks but would have to pull a great performance for Kidney to pick him. Kearney has been injured and is on the way back. I dont think Kearney is God but Kidney isnt one for massive gambles and if Kearney performs anyway well he will travel. If Jones performs Kidney may still see Kearney as no 1.


One of Kidneys problems has been his Loyalty to players and his lack of risk taking. See Ai's selections for examples. See Paddy Wallace-Doc-Best threads

[slipper1]

Murray on the bench and getting 20 minutes would be good to
see.


Murray starting would be better to see, give Reddan 15 - 20 minutes.


Jones needs a fair run aswell, as a fullback he's on a completely different level to Kearney.


Completely different level? What level is that? He hasnt done enough. If Kearney doesnt make a massive mistake in the next two weeks the 15 shirt is his. Deccie isnt going to pick Jones based on a few end of season games for Munster ditto Murray.


Sure you could but a 20 minute video of some great things that Jones did at the end of the season but thats not enough.


People seem to be wishing that he will be a great full back rather than dealing with facts and actual performances





Is that your criteria ? The jersey is yours provided you do not make a mistake Robert ? What about playing for it ? If they do, Jones will have it as he's a better tackler, counter-attacker, can join the line in attack, is faster, strong under a high ball and in form.


No thats not the criteria. Jones will get his chance in the next few weeks but would have to pull a great performance for Kidney to pick him. Kearney has been injured and is on the way back. I dont think Kearney is God but Kidney isnt one for massive gambles and if Kearney performs anyway well he will travel. If Jones performs Kidney may still see Kearney as no 1.


One of Kidneys problems has been his Loyalty to players and his lack of risk taking. See Ai's selections for examples. See Paddy Wallace-Doc-Best threads





You asked me what different level, I told you. Then you predictably go on to second guess Kidney. What's the point in that ? But if he gives Kearney and Jones an equal trial, there will be only one winner on merit. Kearney has nothing on Jones and is living off the past.

[NotreDameRFC]

Kearney has nothing on Jones? WTF...... are we putting our red tinted glasses on after one half season.... great in Brive.... but come on......


I advocate bringing both Jones and Murray ( instead of Stringer and Murphy incidentally) to the RWC and i have said that on numerous threads but to say either of them are world beaters ahead of for eg Kearney is madness....


granted Kearney needs rugby and his career has plateaued a bit but you lose the argument a bit there SLipper

[Aussiedub]

So according to Slipper a couple of good games at ML level now takes precedence over performances in the HC, International and Lions...

[slipper1]

So according to Slipper a couple of good games at ML level now takes precedence over performances in the HC, International and Lions...


He's not first choice at Leinster. And in the last 2 Munster - Leinster matches, Jones played better than Necewa, now you can debate that but it's a marker. I'm talking about performances now, not a game of kick chase from a few seasons ago.

[NotreDameRFC]

Slipper you saying Jones is better than Nacewa? ( over 2 games)


or can we say in reverse Nacewa was one of the best 5 players in Europe all season. Thats the real marker.

[Benji]

So is he better than nacewa also?
You can't compare fullbacks like that.

[slipper1]

So is he better than nacewa also?
You can't compare fullbacks like that.


I'm not saying he is better than Necewa, but in the last 2 head to heads he had the better game of the 2. what is certain is Necewa is first choice at Leinster, I'm not sure where Kearney stands. But if you want to counter attack and keep ball in hand, Necewa and Jones are well ahead of Kearney as he can't counter attack, simple as that.

[Red Hand Hero]

When dealing with Slipper's player analysis one must take into account Slipper has argued, consistently, that Botha is a s**t scrummager. This is not an argument you can win, its better to leave him be in these situations.

[Aussiedub]

So according to Slipper a couple of good games at ML level now takes precedence over performances in the HC, International and Lions...


He's not first choice at Leinster. And in the last 2 Munster - Leinster matches, Jones played better than Necewa, now you can debate that but it's a marker. I'm talking about performances now, not a game of kick chase from a few seasons ago.





Well I try not to judge players over a couple of games at a far lower level....It's like saying that D Ryan had 2/3 games better than POC that he should be on the team ahead of him.

[banjaxed]

<S&#079;NG>Le XV de départ :</S&#079;NG> Traille - Clerc, Marty, Mermoz, Palisson - Trinh-Duc, Yachvili - Harinordoquy, Lakafia, Dusautoir (cap.) - Millo-Chluski, Pierre - Ducalcon, Szarzewski, Marconnet

<S&#079;NG>Remplaçants :</S&#079;NG> Guirado, Poux, Nallet, Bonnaire, Parra, Skrela, Médard, Barcella (23e homme).

[NotreDameRFC]

<S&#079;NG>Le XV de départ :</S&#079;NG> Traille - Clerc, Marty, Mermoz, Palisson - Trinh-Duc, Yachvili - Harinordoquy, Lakafia, Dusautoir (cap.) - Millo-Chluski, Pierre - Ducalcon, Szarzewski, Marconnet

<S&#079;NG>Remplaçants :</S&#079;NG> Guirado, Poux, Nallet, Bonnaire, Parra, Skrela, Médard, Barcella (23e homme).





Looks weak!!!


like the look of the bench.... looks like E'equipe had backline right ( except Clerc, they had Huget in)


We need a strong team to counteract that..... great to see Barcella back.... big plus for French

[slipper1]

When dealing with Slipper's player analysis one must take into account Slipper has argued, consistently, that Botha is a s**t scrummager. This is not an argument you can win, its better to leave him be in these situations.


What's your problem ? I said Botha gave away 3 penalties v Biarritz at the scrum and the scrum improved when he was replaced, where was I wrong ?

[Dowlinz]

Kearneys a solid player and can actually catch the high balls unlike Fitz. He's a known quantity and certainly won't be a liability in our team. While I agree I'm far from convinced about him the reality is the world cup is next month, now is not the time to experiment. Kearney is fit, playing ok and is the most reliable option we have. Felix has it all to prove and a world cup is not the place for a lad to be finding his feet in the green.

[ruckinhell]

That's a pretty decent French pack, I'd be inclined to bomb Traille as his positioning at fullback is still a bit iffy. Definitely a step up from Scotland, that centre combo can really fire if they get some front foot ball, I'm abig fan of Mermoz.





Does anyone know if Picamoles is currently injured? He had a very good season for Toulouse, madness to leave him out of a World Cup squad if he's fit.

[the plastic paddy]

Given they have named 23 are we going to do the same? Is that an agreement between the sides?

[<BM>]

That's a pretty decent French pack, I'd be inclined to bomb Traille as his positioning at fullback is still a bit iffy. Definitely a step up from Scotland, that centre combo can really fire if they get some front foot ball, I'm abig fan of Mermoz.








Clerc always seems to get a try against us too. Worth putting a few quid on him, if he scores, it's money in your pocket, if he doesn't it's a seriously good omen for the world cup.

[Allez Les Rouges]

G Murphy was the top full back over in the premiership over the last maybe ten years and has won nearly everything.


His best day are behind him in my opinion but wouldnt doubt he would add something special if included in a squad. (A bit too vague for me - he hasn't played in ages!) Eos wasnt a fan of his and he lost out to Mr Reliable at 15 for Ireland on too many occasions.


Cant see him making the squad.


Now. Jones. Maybe someone can tell me what has Jones done to deserve some of the high praise he seems to get here.


He was injured for most of last year and Its not like he was class on what he showed playing for Leinster/Munster before that? People using words like he scares defences- Great in the air and strong tackler based on a few games.


He didnt get enough of a chance last week and Im sure he will. I hope he turns out to be a great player but for me he needs to do it for more than a half dozen games before he can be judged.


Its a similar case with Murray. I for one like what I saw of him at the end of last season but he needs to continue his development.




IMHO the game has changed. Look at the SH teams and France - they are all running the ball out of defence. Kick/chase is dead - you're gifting possession to the opposition, who will make the yards, ruck, and set up the next phase. Once your team's defence has been caught by even a few yards, their attack has you cold.

Murphy can no longer operate in the kind of back line we need. We need fast backs with good hands and an eye for a gap.

Neither Murray no Jones have long pedigrees at any level. If they did we wouldn't be having this debate smileys/wink.gif

BUT, they have both taken every opportunity to impress. Anything asked of them was delivered.

Murray has worked well and shown TOL's passing for what it is - slow. Murray can break, and keeps his head. For me, he's ahead of TOL.

Personally I would bring Reddan, Boss and Strings - Strings offers sth different to the other 2. But DK seems unlikely to bring Strings, so I would bring Murray - he's up to it and we need him to develop more at this level.

Boss and Reddan are 31 - Strings is 34, TOL is almost 28. Murray is 22.

Murray is the future and needs the experience - he has the class.

Jones is (for me) the #2 FB in the country - simple as. He needs to go. Earls can cover, Luke can't - who else in the 43 should go instead?
Murphy is a great open field runner and while he isnt as fast as he was he can sniff a gap and make a break- those little breaks open defences. His been doing it for years with Leicester. This is what I mean by offering something special. He can play off the cuff and he isnt and never was a real kick and chase merchant. Did you think he was?


Murray!! Some on here seemed to believe that he only arrived in Munster last march. His got alot of developing to do. ? We dont know what his like because he hasnt played enough. But sure someone will probably quote some A game or Ail match but were talking internationals which is a giant leap from what he has done.





Brian O' Driscoll was on a World Cup Squad at 20. Surely there is nothing wrong with bringing a 22 year old player. Class is permanent, they say, and a 22 year old scrum halfwho has class is worth bringing. The Australians are not afraid to introduce 19 year olds and 20 year olds. Look at their current backline. We have to do the same. Conor Murray is physically strong and able to look after himself -- this would be a consideration where you are dealing with smaller and young players -- but in Murray's case he is mature and has the temperament for the heat of battle -- he is "cool out" and will not be fazed by the big occasion as he has already shown.

[kahalui]

I dont thinkthe FB slotshould bethat clearcut, tbf. We're back to the 'past reputation,versus form' argument.


RK,was offering very little in attack for Irelandbefore his injuryand his defense/last line of defense has always been a little suspect. Great boot andusually sound under the high ball, though.


FJ performed exceptionallywell in defence in (arguably) his most important game todate. The ML final, was a high intensity affair, full of internationals from 2 rival, Heineken cup winning,teams.We desperately needed the win to restore some pride, Leinster wanted the double. Besides, places for the Irelands WCsquad were (presumably)up for grabs.You dont get too many bigger occassions..


I watched the game again and here's some highlights of Jones' tackling/defence if anybodys interested..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rMjKReIves&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rMjKReIves&amp;feature=related)stops Mcfadden in his tracks - 5:22mins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfOPfR6iOA&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfOPfR6iOA&amp;feature=related) outrucks Mike Ross and forces the turnover- 1:42min... hacks down BOD -2:35mins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7Za74MULo&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7Za74MULo&amp;feature=related) stops BOD from5mt out- 1:48mins...tackles Fitz from 5mt out preventinganother possible try- 3:59.Big hit on BOD, resulting in a turnover for Munster- 9:53


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9Fu4_pwro&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9Fu4_pwro&amp;feature=related) my personal favourite 6:02mins


I understand we're talking about only 1 game, but, how many times have we seen 'experienced' players, like Kearney/Murphy, defend likethat in any given game, at any level, throughout their professional careers?


Ive been a bigfan of Murphybut, like others, believe his time has come andgone. Idadvocate giving Kearney/Jones equal gametime in thewarmup games and let them compete for the 15 shirt. Besides, Jones has had plenty of gametime over the last few months andhas been going wellin both attack and defence.Atm, Murphy and Kearney have next to no form.


On a side note, poor defence fromReddan..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvcQkv5WsU.. 13:20 for the Dougie try


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ukIlHIS0A&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ukIlHIS0A&amp;feature=related).. 4:00 the Murray break

[i_like_cake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfOPfR6iOA&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfOPfR6iOA&amp;feature=related) outrucks Mike Ross and forces the turnover- 1:42min... hacks down BOD -2:35mins

that was pure brilliance......</span>


On a side note, poor defence fromReddan..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvcQkv5WsU.. 13:20 for the Dougie try

In fairness, Mafi is a bit of a speedster.... can't fault Reds too much...</span>



Excellent Stuff Kahalui.....

[Fetcher]

Was the team not meant to be named today?

[Adam1986]

While I agree that the way Jones and Murray played last year is not enough to be automatic WC selections they are young players who I hope force us to start thinking like the SH. Look at Will Genia and Quade cooper excellent talents both caped with good experience but still young and have long careers ahead. This idea we have of 24-25 for international rugby means our guys start later and are two to three years behind the SH in terms of experience and confidence.

I am a big fan of the O'Leary and Kearney both were amazing in our grandslam and Kearney on the 09 Lions tour, unfortunately Tomas was injured and since then hasnt really recaptured that form. Kearney since 09 seems to have lost his confidence in attack and we do not want another Dempsey a solid guy under the high ball but nothing going forward. Fact is we have two young guys here who possess excellent talent and confidence and more gametime. While I think Kearney will be and if hes fit should be the starting fullback I would allow Jones his chance on Saturday and Murray the same.

We all know what Reddan, Boss and Kearney bring to the Ireland jersey, so do our opponents. We need to have good talent in depth and Murray and Jones have that.

To say that because its so close to the world cup we cant and shouldnt try them is a bad excuse and could rob us of two players who could be key components if they react well to the pressure.

[ceemec]

what is certain is Necewa is first choice at
Leinster

Indeed. The only problem with that is the fact that Kearney is
first choice full back at Leinster. Nacewa has always been
pushed out to the wing to allow Kearney play 15 when both
have been fit.

[The Outlaw]

what is certain is
Necewa is first choice at
Leinster

Indeed. The only problem with that is the fact that Kearney
is
first choice full back at Leinster. Nacewa has always been
pushed out to the wing to allow Kearney play 15 when both
have been fit.

Fair point. One I've never understood.

Kidney is the ultra conservative and Kearney will be the
first choice 15 for the world cup.

Jones and Murphy are on a different level offensively. But
neither will get to play in any serious game in the WC. The
fact that Jones wasnt released to Munster means he must
be closer to the 30 then we thought.

Kearney was a Lion and that will get him into the Irish
side. Its not that he isnt a good player its just that he
doesnt offer any real gas when hitting the line except from
close range as he's a big lump and is hard to put down.

I've always thought Kearney could make a better winger.

In a knockout competition he probably suits Irelands style.

[Cowboy]

Listening to G Thornley on OTB tonight it's the Geordan
Murphy show anyway. He got more plugs into him than a
B&Q shop.

[MunsterTel]

I dont thinkthe FB slotshould bethat clearcut, tbf. We're back to the 'past reputation,versus form' argument.


RK,was offering very little in attack for Irelandbefore his injuryand his defense/last line of defense has always been a little suspect. Great boot andusually sound under the high ball, though.


FJ performed exceptionallywell in defence in (arguably) his most important game todate. The ML final, was a high intensity affair, full of internationals from 2 rival, Heineken cup winning,teams.We desperately needed the win to restore some pride, Leinster wanted the double. Besides, places for the Irelands WCsquad were (presumably)up for grabs.You dont get too many bigger occassions..


I watched the game again and here's some highlights of Jones' tackling/defence if anybodys interested..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rMjKReIves&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rMjKReIves&amp;feature=related)stops Mcfadden in his tracks - 5:22mins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfOPfR6iOA&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfOPfR6iOA&amp;feature=related) outrucks Mike Ross and forces the turnover- 1:42min... hacks down BOD -2:35mins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7Za74MULo&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7Za74MULo&amp;feature=related) stops BOD from5mt out- 1:48mins...tackles Fitz from 5mt out preventinganother possible try- 3:59.Big hit on BOD, resulting in a turnover for Munster- 9:53


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9Fu4_pwro&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9Fu4_pwro&amp;feature=related) my personal favourite 6:02mins


I understand we're talking about only 1 game, but, how many times have we seen 'experienced' players, like Kearney/Murphy, defend likethat in any given game, at any level, throughout their professional careers?


Ive been a bigfan of Murphybut, like others, believe his time has come andgone. Idadvocate giving Kearney/Jones equal gametime in thewarmup games and let them compete for the 15 shirt. Besides, Jones has had plenty of gametime over the last few months andhas been going wellin both attack and defence.Atm, Murphy and Kearney have next to no form.


On a side note, poor defence fromReddan..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvcQkv5WsU.. 13:20 for the Dougie try


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ukIlHIS0A&amp;feature=relat ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ukIlHIS0A&amp;feature=related).. 4:00 the Murray break











Excellent collection of clips. I ended up watching most of the game! While i've great respect for GM and all our SH's I just cant get over the hunger of felix and Murray. Outstanding players and thats what we need, newish to the jersey and putting the body on the line. Back to what we do best, playin with our hearts on our sleeves! smileys/smile.gif

[HurlerOnDeDitch]

The fact that both Jones and Murray were kept in the squad this weekhints that they will be in the 22.


I think Jones will probably start since Kearney playedthe 80 last week.


As for the WC squad, it is a bit early to tell before either player get any meaningful gametime.


If Jones plays well over the next few weeks I wouldexpect him to travel ahead of Murphy. Geordan, for all his brilliance at Leicester,is not at top international level anymore. Jones should travel as back up fullback, assuming he doesn't make the XV!


As for Murray, we'll learn more about him over the next few weeks. For me, TOL and Reddan will tour with the finalplace betweenBoss, Murray and Stringer.


I cannot see any point in bringing Boss as third choice. He offers nothing different toReddan and TOL. Stringer at least offers a tactical option and Murray is an unknown quantity which every squad needs a bit of.

[davidos]

Not sure I buy this about the ultra-conservative Kidney.
Both our Heineken Cup wins were largely dependent on
courageous decisions by Kidney to being in new blood.
Dowling, Murphy, Hurley, TOL. He will not be afraid of
throwing in a bolter or two if they offer that something extra.

He needs to give both Murray and Jones a chance to prove
themselves.If they perform then they should be on the
plane. What they can both potentially offer could make the
difference between a ok world cup and a good world cup. I
do worry though that there is too much emphasis on getting
TOL fit.

[The Outlaw]

Not sure I buy this about the ultra-
conservative Kidney.
Both our Heineken Cup wins were largely dependent on
courageous decisions by Kidney to being in new blood.
Dowling, Murphy, Hurley, TOL. He will not be afraid of
throwing in a bolter or two if they offer that something
extra.

He needs to give both Murray and Jones a chance to prove
themselves.If they perform then they should be on the
plane. What they can both potentially offer could make the
difference between a ok world cup and a good world cup. I
do worry though that there is too much emphasis on
getting
TOL fit.

Kidney likes Kearney. He's his number one. And he's a first
choice Lion pick. If fit he will definitely start.

[JohnnyQ]

So according to Slipper a couple of good games at ML level now takes precedence over performances in the HC, International and Lions...


He's not first choice at Leinster. And in the last 2 Munster - Leinster matches, Jones played better than Necewa, now you can debate that but it's a marker. I'm talking about performances now, not a game of kick chase from a few seasons ago.





Agreed, and on form Murray should go too

[son-of-munster]

healy fla ross
DOC POC
SOB Heaslip Wally
murray Sexton
wallace earls
Trimble Bowe (i'd have both wingers spend alot of time in the centre's too.)
Jones

-give fla the first half, lets see where he really is. Best on for him for second half, straight fight for our starting 2 i think.
-Buckly on, ross to
LH, think he could be a viable option there, this would free us of
having to have court on the bench and allow us to have a big impact sub in mushy.
-D.ryan and mike macarthy on for doc and wally, let them rotate between 4 and 6, again another chance to have another big impact player. we all know cullen would start if POC was out (god forbid) but this lets us see what a bruser coming on against a quality team would do for our game plan.
-Readin for murray, wouldn't mind if they swapped for the starting spot, but would like to see what murray looks like with Sexton.
Mcfadden for Sexton, wallace to 10. they see paddy as cover for there so give him a look in a big game to see if he crumbles.
-Kearny on for half an hour, @ fb, keep jones on and move him see if he can do a job on a wing if needed.

Looking at the french team its a 23 man squad. so extra spot goes to Leamy, Fitz, or drico if fit ( seems to be up for it from reading his interviews)

[Benji]

healy fla rossDOC POCSOB Heaslip
Wally** murray Sextonwallace earlsTrimble Bowe (i'd have
both wingers spend alot of time in the centre's too.)* Jones-give
fla the first half, lets see where he really is. Best on for him for
second half, straight fight for our starting 2 i think.-Buckly on, ross to
LH, think he could be a viable option there, this would free us of
having to have court on the bench and allow us to have a big impact
sub in mushy.-D.ryan and mike macarthy on for doc and wally, let
them rotate between 4 and 6, again another chance to have another
big impact player. we all know cullen would start if POC was out (god
forbid) but this lets us see what a bruser coming on against a quality
team would do for our game plan.-Readin for murray, wouldn't mind

if they swapped for the starting spot, but would like to see what
murray looks like with Sexton.Mcfadden for Sexton, wallace to 10.
they see paddy as cover for there so give him a look in a big game to
see if he crumbles.-Kearny on for half an hour, @ fb, keep jones on
and move him see if he can do a job on a wing if needed.Looking at
the french team its a 23 man squad. so extra spot goes to Leamy,
Fitz, or drico if fit ( seems to be up for it from reading his interview



Will someone save paddy Wallace! His not up to it. He was hardly
picked to play ten on form last year for ulster. Only when deccie
asked him
to be played there. It's unlikely that given s full squad that he would
get into the ulster team One player on the bench be it rog or sexton
can cover ten. No other team carries two tens in the reserves.


Would rather see McFadden and earls there in the centres

[son-of-munster]

healy fla rossDOC POCSOB Heaslip

Wally murray Sextonwallace earlsTrimble Bowe (i'd have

both wingers spend alot of time in the centre's too.) Jones-give

fla the first half, lets see where he really is. Best on for him for

second half, straight fight for our starting 2 i think.-Buckly on, ross to

LH, think he could be a viable option there, this would free us of

having to have court on the bench and allow us to have a big impact

sub in mushy.-D.ryan and mike macarthy on for doc and wally, let

them rotate between 4 and 6, again another chance to have another

big impact player. we all know cullen would start if POC was out (god

forbid) but this lets us see what a bruser coming on against a quality

team would do for our game plan.-Readin for murray, wouldn't mind



if they swapped for the starting spot, but would like to see what

murray looks like with Sexton.Mcfadden for Sexton, wallace to 10.

they see paddy as cover for there so give him a look in a big game to

see if he crumbles.-Kearny on for half an hour, @ fb, keep jones on

and move him see if he can do a job on a wing if needed.Looking at

the french team its a 23 man squad. so extra spot goes to Leamy,

Fitz, or drico if fit ( seems to be up for it from reading his interview







Will someone save paddy Wallace! His not up to it. He was hardly

picked to play ten on form last year for ulster. Only when deccie

asked him

to be played there. It's unlikely that given s full squad that he would

get into the ulster team One player on the bench be it rog or sexton

can cover ten. No other team carries two tens in the reserves.





Would rather see McFadden and earls there in the centres


For the record, i don't want to see wallace there either. But i tried to pick a team that's at least possible. And rog isn't on my bench cause i hear he's still coming back from his torn calf.
If i knew Paddy wasn't going to the WC i'd have either downey or Fitz at 12. and keatly on the bench.
As far as not having 2 tens waiting in the wings, im not sure. i agree in principle but what happens if one of ours gets injuired in the group matches and is only out for 2 weeks? do we send him home or put out squads with only one 10 in them?
thats wallace's only reason for going down under i think.

What would you do for our 10-12 starting and bench options Benji?

[Benji]

Well son of munster. I'd really hope we can select johnny and rog. If
one is out were in big trouble. The third choice best ten IMHO is
keatley but sadly decie never gave him a chance in the ai's.
Some players rise their game when surrounded by great players. He
was worth a half.
Kidney has put too much faith in Wallace and the two lads being fit.
I'd play McFadden or dray at 12. I think McFadden has what's needed
to be a great 12.
To answer your question . I really don't see us picking a match day
squad with only one ten. But kidney isn't going to change his plans at
this stage.
His not a risk taker and while he may have pulled a few rabbits out of
the hat when with munster he hasn't had any great vision regarding
Irish players. Big difference between Heineken cup where senior
players can help debutantes more than in internationals.

[he man rugger pints]

So according to Slipper a couple of good games at ML level now takes precedence over performances in the HC, International and Lions...


He's not first choice at Leinster</span>. And in the last 2 Munster - Leinster matches, Jones played better than Necewa, now you can debate that but it's a marker. I'm talking about performances now, not a game of kick chase from a few seasons ago.

He just starts at fullback when fit is it? What defines first choice then?smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

I'd bring both Jones and Kearney while dropping Murphy. It'd be great to see the young Leinster man get into the RWC squad after battling back from such a serious neck injury, he's been class for Munster when fit. Unfortunately he isn't yet proven at HEC level really but no doubt he will be next year.

[neiljung]

Well son of munster. I'd really hope we
can select johnny and rog. If
one is out were in big trouble. The third choice best ten
IMHO is
keatley but sadly decie never gave him a chance in the
ai's.
Some players rise their game when surrounded by great
players. He
was worth a half.
Kidney has put too much faith in Wallace and the two lads
being fit.
I'd play McFadden or dray at 12. I think McFadden has
what's needed
to be a great 12.
To answer your question . I really don't see us picking a
match day
squad with only one ten. But kidney isn't going to change
his plans at
this stage.
His not a risk taker and while he may have pulled a few
rabbits out of
the hat when with munster he hasn't had any great vision
regarding
Irish players. Big difference between Heineken cup where
senior
players can help debutantes more than in internationals.


The fact that it's a 44 man squad and there isn't really a
third recognised OH there is a real shocker for me to be
honest. Whatever about the 'controversy' over Downey's
omissions (who I'd like to have seen get a chance) the fact
that we're an injury away from not having an OH to select
for the bench is a bit ridiculous. Even fastforwarding to
early next year what are the odds that we'll get thru the
RWC/early ML & HEC and all of the 6Ns with both JS and
ROG available for every intl?
Surely whoever would get called up in such a scenario is at
least deserving of a sopt in a 44 man panel??

[Benji]

While not having his best season for Connacht keatley is ok he does
the basics well. Good runner and puts in his tackles. His a ball player
who has had a few games in the centre. I've been screaming about
kidney and his blind spot regarding our centre and second row
partnerships also. Look if he gave lads a decent shot and they weren't
up to it then at least we would know.

[Mebawsa Ritchie]

Kidney likes Kearney. He's his number one. And he's a first

choice Lion pick. If fit he will definitely start.

I wouldn't generally believe your radio, but you may be correct on this smileys/wink.gif

[jeepers]

Well son of munster. I'd really hope we

can select johnny and rog. If

one is out were in big trouble. The third choice best ten

IMHO is

keatley but sadly decie never gave him a chance in the

ai's.

Some players rise their game when surrounded by great

players. He

was worth a half.

Kidney has put too much faith in Wallace and the two lads

being fit.

I'd play McFadden or dray at 12. I think McFadden has

what's needed

to be a great 12.

To answer your question . I really don't see us picking a

match day

squad with only one ten. But kidney isn't going to change

his plans at

this stage.

His not a risk taker and while he may have pulled a few

rabbits out of

the hat when with munster he hasn't had any great vision

regarding

Irish players. Big difference between Heineken cup where

senior

players can help debutantes more than in internationals.





The fact that it's a 44 man squad and there isn't really a

third recognised OH there is a real shocker for me to be

honest. Whatever about the 'controversy' over Downey's

omissions (who I'd like to have seen get a chance) the fact

that we're an injury away from not having an OH to select

for the bench is a bit ridiculous. Even fastforwarding to

early next year what are the odds that we'll get thru the

RWC/early ML &amp; HEC and all of the 6Ns with both JS and

ROG available for every intl?

Surely whoever would get called up in such a scenario is at

least deserving of a sopt in a 44 man panel??

Easy to figure out why Humphreys/Keatly were not involved. Any OH development time had to go into Sexton. He has only 17 caps. He is only beginning to find his feet now.

We are far better off this time going into the world cup than last time with only ROG &amp; Wallace. Ireland has somehow struggled along with ROG as the only OH for about 4 years, I'd say we'll manage 5 games with two OH + Wallace this time.

[Benji]

Maybe but wouldn't have him in a match day 22 if rog and sexton
were availiable

[jeepers]

healy fla rossDOC POCSOB Heaslip

Wally murray Sextonwallace earlsTrimble Bowe (i'd have

both wingers spend alot of time in the centre's too.) Jones-give

fla the first half, lets see where he really is. Best on for him for

second half, straight fight for our starting 2 i think.-Buckly on, ross to

LH, think he could be a viable option there, this would free us of

having to have court on the bench and allow us to have a big impact

sub in mushy.-D.ryan and mike macarthy on for doc and wally, let

them rotate between 4 and 6, again another chance to have another

big impact player. we all know cullen would start if POC was out (god

forbid) but this lets us see what a bruser coming on against a quality

team would do for our game plan.-Readin for murray, wouldn't mind



if they swapped for the starting spot, but would like to see what

murray looks like with Sexton.Mcfadden for Sexton, wallace to 10.

they see paddy as cover for there so give him a look in a big game to

see if he crumbles.-Kearny on for half an hour, @ fb, keep jones on

and move him see if he can do a job on a wing if needed.Looking at

the french team its a 23 man squad. so extra spot goes to Leamy,

Fitz, or drico if fit ( seems to be up for it from reading his interview







Will someone save paddy Wallace! His not up to it. He was hardly

picked to play ten on form last year for ulster. Only when deccie

asked him

to be played there. It's unlikely that given s full squad that he would

get into the ulster team One player on the bench be it rog or sexton

can cover ten. No other team carries two tens in the reserves.





Would rather see McFadden and earls there in the centres


For the record, i don't want to see wallace there either. But i tried to pick a team that's at least possible. And rog isn't on my bench cause i hear he's still coming back from his torn calf.
If i knew Paddy wasn't going to the WC i'd have either downey or Fitz at 12. and keatly on the bench.
As far as not having 2 tens waiting in the wings, im not sure. i agree in principle but what happens if one of ours gets injuired in the group matches and is only out for 2 weeks? do we send him home or put out squads with only one 10 in them?
thats wallace's only reason for going down under i think.

What would you do for our 10-12 starting and bench options Benji?


Are you sure about ROG's injury? Ferris had a 'Congrats ROG on winning MVP at training today' comment on his twitter recently. Sounds like ROG is fit enough to train anyway.

I doubt if Kidney would start Murray with Sexton &amp; Heislip against France! Give the kid a break.

[JohnnyQ]

healy fla ross
DOC POC
SOB Heaslip Wally
murray Sexton
wallace earls
Trimble Bowe (i'd have both wingers spend alot of time in the centre's too.)
Jones

Mcfadden for Sexton, wallace to 10. they see paddy as cover for there so give



I too would like to see P. Wallace at 10 against a good team. It would pretty much make or break any logical selection of the guy (nothing against him I just don't think he's an international 10 or anything near one)

[JoeyFantastic]

Well son of munster. I'd
really hope we
can select johnny and rog. If
one is out were in big trouble. The third choice best ten
IMHO is
keatley but sadly decie never gave him a chance in the
ai's.
Some players rise their game when surrounded by great
players. He
was worth a half.
Kidney has put too much faith in Wallace and the two lads
being fit.
I'd play McFadden or dray at 12. I think McFadden has
what's needed
to be a great 12.
To answer your question . I really don't see us picking a
match day
squad with only one ten. But kidney isn't going to change
his plans at
this stage.
His not a risk taker and while he may have pulled a few
rabbits out of
the hat when with munster he hasn't had any great vision
regarding
Irish players. Big difference between Heineken cup where
senior
players can help debutantes more than in internationals.


The fact that it's a 44 man squad and there isn't really a
third recognised OH there is a real shocker for me to be
honest. Whatever about the 'controversy' over Downey's
omissions (who I'd like to have seen get a chance) the fact
that we're an injury away from not having an OH to select
for the bench is a bit ridiculous. Even fastforwarding to
early next year what are the odds that we'll get thru the
RWC/early ML & HEC and all of the 6Ns with both JS and
ROG available for every intl?
Surely whoever would get called up in such a scenario is at
least deserving of a sopt in a 44 man panel??Easy
to figure out why Humphreys/Keatly were not involved.
Any OH development time had to go into Sexton. He has
only 17 caps. He is only beginning to find his feet now. We
are far better off this time going into the world cup than
last time with only ROG & Wallace. Ireland has somehow
struggled along with ROG as the only OH for about 4 years,
I'd say we'll manage 5 games with two OH + Wallace this
time.

17 caps is a lot, Ollie Campbell, for example, only got 22,
Tony Ward only got 19, Paul Dean got 32 and Elwood got
35.

Even in the age of cheap test caps (relative term), Sexton
needs a better excuse than that for performances like last
Saturday.

As said before I wouldn't read anything into people being kept or not. Game time will be key and it's equally possible that players like Stringer, Horan and MOD, who've been sent back to the provinces, are the ones likely to travel and are being sent for game time. Meaning guys like Murray are just being kept as spares in case something happens, not with any intention of them actually going near the WC. (Or as long term investments).

Well son of munster. I'd
really hope we
can select johnny and rog. If
one is out were in big trouble. The third choice best ten
IMHO is
keatley but sadly decie never gave him a chance in the
ai's.
Some players rise their game when surrounded by great
players. He
was worth a half.
Kidney has put too much faith in Wallace and the two lads
being fit.
I'd play McFadden or dray at 12. I think McFadden has
what's needed
to be a great 12.
To answer your question . I really don't see us picking a
match day
squad with only one ten. But kidney isn't going to change
his plans at
this stage.
His not a risk taker and while he may have pulled a few
rabbits out of
the hat when with munster he hasn't had any great vision
regarding
Irish players. Big difference between Heineken cup where
senior
players can help debutantes more than in internationals.


The fact that it's a 44 man squad and there isn't really a
third recognised OH there is a real shocker for me to be
honest. Whatever about the 'controversy' over Downey's
omissions (who I'd like to have seen get a chance) the fact
that we're an injury away from not having an OH to select
for the bench is a bit ridiculous. Even fastforwarding to
early next year what are the odds that we'll get thru the
RWC/early ML &amp; HEC and all of the 6Ns with both JS and
ROG available for every intl?
Surely whoever would get called up in such a scenario is at
least deserving of a sopt in a 44 man panel??Easy
to figure out why Humphreys/Keatly were not involved.
Any OH development time had to go into Sexton. He has
only 17 caps. He is only beginning to find his feet now. We
are far better off this time going into the world cup than
last time with only ROG &amp; Wallace. Ireland has somehow
struggled along with ROG as the only OH for about 4 years,
I'd say we'll manage 5 games with two OH + Wallace this
time.

17 caps is a lot, Ollie Campbell, for example, only got 22,
Tony Ward only got 19, Paul Dean got 32 and Elwood got
35.

Even in the age of cheap test caps (relative term), Sexton
needs a better excuse than that for performances like last
Saturday.





Yeah but joey I'd be willing to bet that Tony Ward's 19 caps involved 2-3 times as long on the pitch. And don't forget those guys played the top teams and pretty much no one else.

[MrsMcGahan]

Does anyone know if this match is on TV?

[McCloud]

Does anyone know if this match is*
on* TV?

It's on RTE

[MrsMcGahan]

Does anyone know if this match is�

on� TV?



It's on RTE
Thank you.
Your Supreme Majesty smileys/wink.gif

[Kerry-Exile]

Does anyone
know if this match is*
on* TV?

It's on RTE

ITV 4 apparently as well for those in the UK

[Talking Sense]

Does anyone know if this match is*
on* TV?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=france+ireland+rugby+on+tv

[the plastic paddy]

Does anyone
know if this match is
on TV?

It's on RTE

ITV 4 apparently as well for those in the UK Live or highlights?

[the plastic paddy]

What tme announcement? nothing on IRFU website. Anyone know? + can't find anything on ITV4 for game for fans in UK.

[McCloud]

IRFU site says the team will be announced this afternoon.
Doesn't give a time, must be trying to generate additional hits
on their site smileys/wink.gif

Last week the team was announced at 1pm

[the plastic paddy]

IRFU site says the team will be announced this afternoon.
Doesn't give a time, must be trying to generate additional hits
on their site smileys/wink.gif

Last week the team was announced at 1pm Is that what they are doing fecking infuriating

[Dowlinz]

As said before I wouldn't read anything into people being kept or not. Game time will be key and it's equally possible that players like Stringer, Horan and MOD, who've been sent back to the provinces, are the ones likely to travel and are being sent for game time. Meaning guys like Murray are just being kept as spares in case something happens, not with any intention of them actually going near the WC. (Or as long term investments).

This is probably true. Especially since Court who is a near certainty to travel was sent back to Ulster.

[Kerry-Exile]

What tme announcement? nothing
on IRFU website. Anyone know? + can't find anything on ITV4
for game for fans in UK.

I saw it on this site http://www.livesportontv.com/, checked
ITV's own listings and no sign, hopefully they will be showing it

[Chrizzzie]

What tme announcement? nothing

on IRFU website. Anyone know? + can't find anything on ITV4

for game for fans in UK.



I saw it on this site http://www.livesportontv.com/, checked

ITV's own listings and no sign, hopefully they will be showing it

Otherwise there's always myP2P.

[MMCorkman]

What tme
announcement? nothing
on IRFU website. Anyone know? + can't find anything on ITV4
for game for fans in UK.

I saw it on this site http://www.livesportontv.com/, checked
ITV's own listings and no sign, hopefully they will be showing
itOtherwise there's always myP2P.

Coverage on ITV4 is limited to highlights that evening AFAIK.

[ruckinhell]

What tme announcement? nothing on IRFU website. Anyone know? + can't find anything on ITV4 for game for fans in UK.








Irish team is being announced at one o'clock today, live on Irishrugby.ie.

[Blindsider.]

http://www.irishrugby.ie/matchdaytv/

[Blindsider.]

I'll add the team here and include the Pge. no. in the title ASAP

[barryfitz8]

Looks like Cullen is going to be captain again

[barryfitz8]

Healy
Best
Ross
DOC
Cullen - capt
Ryan
O'Brien
Leamy
Reddan
ROG
Fitzgerald
Wallace
Earls
Trimble
Kearney

Subs
Fla
Mushy
POC
Heaslip
Murray
McFadden
Jones

[Blindsider.]

Ireland team to play France:

<div ="absact="" "="">The Ireland team to play France this
Saturday in Bordeaux shows a total of nine changes to the starting team
from the side that played Scotland last weekend.</div>
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The back three remains unchanged with <s&#111;ng>Rob Kearney, Andrew Trimble</s&#111;ng> and <s&#111;ng>Luke Fitzgerald</s&#111;ng> all named in the side. <s&#111;ng>Paddy Wallace</s&#111;ng> starts in the centre, with <s&#111;ng>Keith Earls</s&#111;ng> getting his first taste of action this season at outside centre. <s&#111;ng>Ronan O'Gara</s&#111;ng> and <s&#111;ng>Eoin Reddan</s&#111;ng> start the game as the halfback combination.


In the forwards, one of the nine changes to the team is a positional switch, with <s&#111;ng>Donnacha Ryan</s&#111;ng> moving from the second row to the blindside and <s&#111;ng>Donncha O'Callaghan</s&#111;ng> coming in to partner <s&#111;ng>Leo Cullen</s&#111;ng>, who will again captain the team.


The other change to the back row is <s&#111;ng>Sean O'Brien</s&#111;ng>, who starts his first game of the August programme. There is an entirely new front row, with <s&#111;ng>Cian Healy, Rory Best</s&#111;ng> and <s&#111;ng>Mike Ross</s&#111;ng> coming into the side.


In the replacements, <s&#111;ng>Paul O'Connell</s&#111;ng> and <s&#111;ng>Jamie Heaslip</s&#111;ng> are named in their first match 22 of the season, with the uncapped former Ireland U20 scrumhalf <s&#111;ng>Conor Murray</s&#111;ng> being named in a match squad for the first time.


<s&#111;ng>Ireland Team &amp; Replacements (v France, Chaban-Delmas, Bordeaux, Saturday, August 13th, kick-off 8.45pm local):</s&#111;ng>


15 - Rob Kearney (UCD/ Leinster)

14 - Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)

13 - Keith Earls (Thomond/Munster)

12 - Paddy Wallace (Ballymena/ Ulster)

11 - Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College/ Leinster)

10 - Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)

9 - Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)

1 - Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)

2 - Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)

3 - Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)

4 - Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)

5 - Leo Cullen (Blackrock College/Leinster) Captain

6 - Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)

7 - Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)

8 - Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster)


Replacements:

16 - Jerry Flannery (Shannon/ Munster)

17 - Tony Buckley (Sale Sharks)

18 - Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster)

19 - Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)

20 - Conor Murray (Garryowen/ Munster)

21 - Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)

22 - Felix Jones (Shannon/ Munster)
</div>

[NotreDameRFC]

that the team Barry?

[Dowlinz]

Appears Paddy Wallace is the 12 of choice in Darcy's absence, as if there was any doubt.

Same back 3 is surprising, would rather Earls and Bowe there. Still no gametime for POC, Heaslip and Wallace.

[the plastic paddy]

Do you think they might have a go at the 10/12 channel?

[king]

Looks weak

[barryfitz8]

Yes indeed. Just watched the announcement

[Benji]

Were going to get a going over in midfield. Looks weak with the centre pairing and Rog. Seanie at 7 also so will be tough

[Kerry-Exile]

What tme
announcement? nothing
on IRFU website. Anyone know? + can't find anything on ITV4
for game for fans in UK.

I saw it on this site http://www.livesportontv.com/, checked
ITV's own listings and no sign, hopefully they will be showing
itOtherwise there's always myP2P.

You showing it Chrizzzie?

[JoeyFantastic]

Paddy Wallace and Rory Best, two players bound to crack
when the pressure comes on, great stuff.

[Blindsider.]

Glad to see fitz in the centre

???Wing, you mean?

[mahoney]

Good team but jesus why Paddy Wallace at 12 would of much
preffered to see mcfadden there alondside Earls.That center
paring and in praticular Wallace at 12 is weak defensively.

[bugler]

Glad to see fitz in the centre

Are you being sarcastic?

[Cowboy]

Delighted for Murray and Jones. Really hope they get half
an hour. No hope of winning in Bordeaux when you've two
6's and a 5.5 as your back row?

Why do we have a panel of 22 and the French have 23?