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the plastic paddy
9th-June-2011, 09:07
Is he a 6 or should he be looking to really bulk up to become a full time 4/5? How much more bulking up would his natural body shape take? Think he is going to be a key player for Munster and Ireland over the next five years butIMO he would be better off commiting to4/5.

bruffian
9th-June-2011, 09:23
Is he a 6 or should he be looking to really bulk up to become a full time 4/5? How much more bulking up would his natural body shape take? Think he is going to be a key player for Munster and Ireland over the next five years butIMO he would be better off commiting to4/5.


Hes 27 now. Hes been playing professional rugbyfor 6 or so years.


Hes not going to bulk up much more at this stage. If at all.


Hes just not naturally a bear of a man.

the plastic paddy
9th-June-2011, 09:30
Is he a 6 or should he be looking to really bulk up to become a full time 4/5? How much more bulking up would his natural body shape take? Think he is going to be a key player for Munster and Ireland over the next five years butIMO he would be better off commiting to4/5.


Hes 27 now. Hes been playing professional rugbyfor 6 or so years.


Hes not going to bulk up much more at this stage. If at all.


Hes just not naturally a bear of a man. Is he big enough for 4/5?

bruffian
9th-June-2011, 09:36
Is he a 6 or should he be looking to really bulk up to become a full time 4/5? How much more bulking up would his natural body shape take? Think he is going to be a key player for Munster and Ireland over the next five years butIMO he would be better off commiting to4/5.


Hes 27 now. Hes been playing professional rugbyfor 6 or so years.


Hes not going to bulk up much more at this stage. If at all.


Hes just not naturally a bear of a man.


Is he big enough for 4/5?


Well hes apparently about 17 stone, I mean, hes a little light compared to some, but not every second row has to be Simon Shaw.


I dont see how his current size and physicality would hamper him as a second row.

Jandek
9th-June-2011, 09:38
Given our paucity of back-up locks & backrowers in his age demographic - I don't rate either Holland or Ronan - I think Munster will need him to cover both 4/5 & 6 for the next few years.


Hopefully next season, O'Mahoney, O'Donnell, Nagle, Foley, Hayes andButler can all make real and meaningful impacts.

dropkick
9th-June-2011, 09:40
Ryan is more mobile than most second rows.

The Lion King
9th-June-2011, 09:49
I think Brian Hayes and Nagle could make good strides next season. Munster's future second row pairing imo. I have heard from very reliable sources that DaveFoley is likely to leave after next season. I would leave Ryan at 6, he is very mobile, very aggresive and has put in some outstanding performances of late. I think POM is more of a 7, animal on the deck made about 3 or 4 turnovers when he came on in the AIL final. I wouldplace him as Wally's succesor, has the rare talent but needs more gamtime next year

Talking Sense
9th-June-2011, 09:54
Ryan is a great athlete, very fast for a guy 6'7 and is strong.
He doesn't have the frame that can really bulk up so I'd say
hes stronger than he looks. He played a key role in that
scrum against Leinster than won the PT.

Jandek
9th-June-2011, 09:55
Why is Foley leaving?


Didn't POM play wing in the AIL final, due to injuries?


I think Hayeshas the ball-carring skills tomake it as am 8.

The Lion King
9th-June-2011, 09:59
Why is Foley leaving?


Didn't POM play wing in the AIL final, due to injuries?


I think Hayeshas the ball-carring skills tomake it as am 8.





Ya was really impressed with Hayes this year with Con. Not the tallest guy, but would offer something different similar to Mhilo Chluski or DOC that type of player.

Thorns
9th-June-2011, 10:01
Big fan of DR's. Hes very mobile for his size and has genuine aggression which is somthing not alot of irish players have. Huge in defence and not a bad ball carrier.


Hes an excellentML standard 6 and an adequate HC standard 6.


More importantly he "could" be an international standard 4 if Dumper and Deccie has the balls to drop DOCwho is a shadow of a good 4.

manofmunster
9th-June-2011, 10:06
Strength should never be confused with size. Ryan might not be the biggest but he wants for nothing in the physicality stakes.

JoeyFantastic
9th-June-2011, 10:07
I think Brian Hayes and Nagle
could make good strides next season. Munster's future
second row pairing imo. I have heard from very reliable
sources that Dave*Foley is likely to leave after next season.
*I would leave Ryan at 6, he is very mobile, very aggresive
and has put in some outstanding performances of late. I
think POM is more of a 7, animal on the deck made about 3
or 4 turnovers when he came on in the AIL final. I
would*place him as Wally's succesor, has the rare talent
but needs more gamtime next year

Very hard to predict what a player will do a year in
advance in fairness.

The fact that Con didn't think POM was good enough or fit
enough or whatever to actually start either the semi or the
final in the backrow is worrying. I thought POM did well this
season but to not be able to break into a AIL club backrow
isn't something he should be happy about.

Ryan has probably had his best season for Munster, really
looks more at home in the backrow than he's ever done,
after a run of games without injury. Long term I don't see
how we'll need him in the second row, POC, DOC and MOD
aren't retiring all that soon and Nagle, Foley and Hayes are
coming through well enough.

If Ryan wants an International career he'd be better off
looking for a second row slot somewhere else, can't see
him being anything other than a bit part backrower for
Ireland with guys like Ferris, O'Brien, Ruddock around etc.

scotscor
9th-June-2011, 10:33
I was very impressed with the half hour that Ryan spent signing autographs and posing for photos after the ml final.
Everyone else had gone in a long time, and there he was being grabbed by grannies and baba's alike.
I think he has had a fantastic end of season both at second row and back row. Every time he has moved to the second row, the scrum has improved. And he has managed to keep Denis Leamy out of our side in the back row.
As I think Dave Cahill has mentioned in the past 'Size is a skill'. Ryan as a back row has a wide set of skills. And for me (in a Munster sense) I would be delighted if he commited himself to being a 6 who can cover 4. I think this would give him a reasonable chance of decent international career.
But if he wants to be a second row, and he has the ability to be a very good one, I agree with Joey he needs to move.

the plastic paddy
9th-June-2011, 11:16
Is it possible Ryan could wind up predominately playing 6 for Munster and 4 for Ireland? Sort of reverse of Hines. Agree with comments about size and strength. Is thehulking great Shaw/ Bakkies lock a bit of an anachronism in modern rugby? For me Donnacha Ryan has had a cracking start to 2011 and assuming fitness should be going to RWC as best 5.5/6 in the country; although, as with almost everyposition bar props, we are blessed with serious options.

Restrepo
9th-June-2011, 11:35
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Seagull
9th-June-2011, 11:36
This thread is based on a misconception, which is that DR is the lightest of the Munster locks. In fact, he's consistently the heaviest. The Munster and Ireland website figures are about four years old and were probably inaccurate for most of the forwards even then. The forwards' weights go up and down quite a bit - one big game and they'll struggle to keep the weight high. But for consistent weight in the locks, Dryan is the man.

If you've seen him in action recently it's pretty
obvious and I don't think he's carrying much loose change either. It's
all solid pounds on that man. And judging on his scrummaging and rucking performance at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't the strongest of the locks as well. I'd imagine Micko and Doc are a little nervous at the moment, because post world cup I don't think he'll be playing 6 half as much, if at all. We have good 6s coming through and in position, both for Munster and for Ireland. Four of our first choice Ireland locks however are well into their thirties and Ryan is the one who's holding his hand highest amongst the others I'd say, with the possible exception of Tuohy.

Charco
9th-June-2011, 11:39
Strength should never be confused
with size. Ryan might not be the biggest but he wants for
nothing in the physicality stakes.

Aye, certainly not someone that suffers from being
underpowered, a lá Micko.

Jandek
9th-June-2011, 11:43
What about the invisible man that is Billy Holland?


The guy has beenpart ofthe Munster set-up for about 6 years and has probably started about 5 games of merit.


Nice work, if you can get it.

ormond lad
9th-June-2011, 11:49
Slighly heavier than 17stone is enough, look atcourtney lawes whois around 18 stone and as others have mentioned Donnachais quitemobile and aggressive


We can all thank Pat Whelan for the day donnacha walked into Nenagh Ormond looking to train over the winter to try improve his chances on making the tipp minor hurlers and Pat, the Rugby God that he is, saw straight away that donnacha had the talent and helped fast track him into munster youths set up. Pat also got him into munchins where he helped them win a senior cup

Seagull
9th-June-2011, 11:53
What about the invisible man that is Billy Holland?


The guy has beenpart ofthe Munster set-up for about 6 years and has probably started about 5 games of merit.


Nice work, if you can get it.
He was playing good rugby before Christmast and did very well in the Ulster game. I would say he's been unlucky in that Ryan has taken up the available spots at 6 since then which is where I think he'll be playing next season and I think he was injured for a couple of months as well. I see him making a big push for 6 next season. A good player.

dropkick
9th-June-2011, 12:04
Big fan of DR's. Hes very mobile for
his size and has genuine aggression which is somthing not
alot of irish players have. Huge in defence and not a bad
ball carrier.


Hes an excellent*ML standard 6 and an adequate HC
standard 6.


More importantly he "could" be an international standard
4 if Dumper and Deccie has the balls to drop DOC*who is a
shadow of a good 4.

Agree completely. He should have gotten more games with
POC.

Brian Hayes has always looked good too and is good
around the park and knows where the try line is.

Talking Sense
9th-June-2011, 12:25
I dont think Ryan has to move on to get games in 2nd row, I
think next season he will be vying with DOC properly for the 4
jersey and Micko will be moved backwards.

Nagle and co still need time to bulk up further, Ryan still is
well ahead of the rest.

Ragusa
9th-June-2011, 13:08
He Won the match for Munster against Brive through his defending of the maul. Brive were going in for a try and he he hit the player so hard the ball went forward and Munster escaped a Brive try to leave us in the manure. He has played consistently well in the backrow and second row together with the lineout and scrum. Any club in France or England would be delighted to have him. He will move up a notch this coming season as everyone can see DOC is living in the DK sweet zone and this will end after the RWC. TMcG s hands were tied by DK this season which is rubbish tactics.

The Blackness
9th-June-2011, 13:12
Ryan is more mobile than most second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment the mobile athletic guys.

ormond lad
9th-June-2011, 13:23
Ryan is more mobile than most second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment the mobile athletic guys.





Who are these mobile 2nd rows? We dont have many like richie grey and courtney lawes who are very mobile 2nd rows, I wouldnt be calling toner, cullen, POC, DOC, MOD very mobile. Tuohy would be the closest to DR as a mobile 2nd row capable of playing back row.


Nagle and dave foley are still light for 2nd rows, according to munsterrugby.ie they both are only 15 1/2stone(frommunsterrugby so probably not that accurate)but if they can keep any of their pace esp foley we will have 2 very good mobile effective 2nd rows

ciaranb
9th-June-2011, 13:48
http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/Restrepo/798_DR.jpg





Is that Drew Carey?

NotreDameRFC
9th-June-2011, 13:53
http://www.munsterfans.com//uploads/images/Restrepo/798_DR.jpg





Is that Drew Carey?








or Larry Murphy?

JoeyFantastic
9th-June-2011, 14:05
He Won the match for Munster against
Brive through his defending of the maul. Brive were going
in for a try and he he hit the player so hard the ball went
forward and Munster escaped a Brive try to leave us in the
manure. He has played consistently well in the backrow
and second row together with the lineout and scrum. Any
club in France or England would be delighted to have him.
He will move up a notch this coming season as everyone
can see DOC is living in the DK sweet zone and this will end
after the RWC. TMcG s hands were tied by DK this season
which is rubbish tactics.

Think it was better than that if I'm thinking of the same
maul. Ryan actually managed to get his hand around the
Brive player and knock the ball loose, very subtly done.

dropkick
9th-June-2011, 14:23
Ryan is more mobile than most
second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is
missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment
the mobile athletic guys.





Who are these mobile 2nd rows? We dont have many
like richie grey and courtney lawes who are very mobile
2nd rows, I wouldnt be calling toner, cullen, POC, DOC,
MOD very mobile. Tuohy would be the closest to DR as a
mobile 2nd row capable of playing back row.


Nagle and dave foley are still light for 2nd rows,
according to munsterrugby.ie they both are only 15
1/2*stone(from*munsterrugby so probably not that
accurate)*but if they can keep any of their pace esp foley
we will have 2 very good mobile effective 2nd rows


POC is very mobile.

Ragusa
9th-June-2011, 14:31
He Won the match for Munster against
Brive through his defending of the maul. Brive were going
in for a try and he he hit the player so hard the ball went
forward and Munster escaped a Brive try to leave us in the
manure. He has played consistently well in the backrow
and second row together with the lineout and scrum. Any
club in France or England would be delighted to have him.
He will move up a notch this coming season as everyone
can see DOC is living in the DK sweet zone and this will end
after the RWC. TMcG s hands were tied by DK this season
which is rubbish tactics.

Think it was better than that if I'm thinking of the same
maul. Ryan actually managed to get his hand around the
Brive player and knock the ball loose, very subtly done.


You are right it is the same maul.

the plastic paddy
9th-June-2011, 15:51
Ryan is more mobile than most second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment the mobile athletic guys. But is the big enforcer type needed in the modern game?

bruffian
9th-June-2011, 15:53
Ryan is more mobile than most second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment the mobile athletic guys.


But is the big enforcer type needed in the modern game?


Never amy harm in having a big bruiser who hits hard and runs hard,and adds some bulk to the scrum

The Blackness
9th-June-2011, 17:37
Ryan is more mobile than most
second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is
missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment
the mobile athletic guys. But is the big
enforcer type needed in the modern game?

I think so, I reckon you need at least one bruiser in each
pack, just look at NZ, SA, France, England, etc., they all
have that balance of one enforcer, one athlete...

And at the end of the day the old saying still rings true,
forwards win matches, if you don't have a balanced pack
you won't be at the races.

Armin Tamzarian
9th-June-2011, 17:40
I have heard from a good source that he's heavierPOC and I think can lift more.the scrum is definitely better when he's in it.

The Blackness
9th-June-2011, 17:40
Ryan is more mobile than most
second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is
missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment
the mobile athletic guys.





Who are these mobile 2nd rows? We dont have many
like richie grey and courtney lawes who are very mobile
2nd rows, I wouldnt be calling toner, cullen, POC, DOC,
MOD very mobile. Tuohy would be the closest to DR as a
mobile 2nd row capable of playing back row.


Nagle and dave foley are still light for 2nd rows,
according to munsterrugby.ie they both are only 15
1/2*stone(from*munsterrugby so probably not that
accurate)*but if they can keep any of their pace esp foley
we will have 2 very good mobile effective 2nd rows


O'Connell, Cullen, Tuohy and D. Ryan spring to mind, all
very athletic and none of them what you would consider
comparable to Thion, Shaw, Thorn or Botha whom I would
consider the enforcer type locks.

Restrepo
9th-June-2011, 17:48
I have heard from a good source that he's heavierPOC and I think can lift more.the scrum is definitely better when he's in it.


True and playing him at 6 gives Munster a third lineout option.....


Remember all the fuss before playing the Hairsprays that we didn't have that third option while they did??

the plastic paddy
9th-June-2011, 18:02
Ryan is more mobile than most
second rows.



Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is
missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment
the mobile athletic guys. But is the big
enforcer type needed in the modern game?

I think so, I reckon you need at least one bruiser in each
pack, just look at NZ, SA, France, England, etc., they all
have that balance of one enforcer, one athlete...

And at the end of the day the old saying still rings true,
forwards win matches, if you don't have a balanced pack
you won't be at the races. Know what you are saying and would have always agreed but with the size of your average backrower/ centre/ winger in modern game, are players like Shaw/ Bakkies so necessary? The flat track bully Chabal has gone from France according to last Lievremont statement; Palmer and Lawes are both athletes rather than enforcers and wouldn,t say the NZ/ Aussecond row would be monsters. The second rows coming through worldwide seem to be in the mould of D Ryan although it is probably little more than coincidence.

ormond lad
9th-June-2011, 18:07
Ryan is more mobile than most
second rows.



Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is
missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment
the mobile athletic guys.







Who are these mobile 2nd rows? We dont have many
like richie grey and courtney lawes who are very mobile
2nd rows, I wouldnt be calling toner, cullen, POC, DOC,
MOD very mobile. Tuohy would be the closest to DR as a
mobile 2nd row capable of playing back row.



Nagle and dave foley are still light for 2nd rows,
according to munsterrugby.ie they both are only 15
1/2stone(frommunsterrugby so probably not that
accurate)but if they can keep any of their pace esp foley
we will have 2 very good mobile effective 2nd rows





O'Connell, Cullen, Tuohy and D. Ryan spring to mind, all
very athletic and none of them what you would consider
comparable to Thion, Shaw, Thorn or Botha whom I would
consider the enforcer type locks.


I still wouldnt call POC that mobile, look at him taking ball into contact, he is rarely downed by one man, which makes a ruck [rather than a tackle] out of most of his carries, leaving him less susceptible to being turned over but you rarely see him making 25-30 mtr runs ball inhandwhich d ryanis capable of(look at some of ryans recent games and his running lines when supporting breaks by outside backs). If you look at most second rows coming through worldwide they mainly seem to be athletes rather than enforcers like lawes etc

9th-June-2011, 18:39
What about the invisible man that is
Billy Holland?


The guy has been*part of*the Munster set-up for about
6 years and has probably started about 5 games of merit.



Nice work, if you can get it.He was playing
good rugby before Christmast and did very well in the Ulster
game. I would say he's been unlucky in that Ryan has
taken up the available spots at 6 since then which is where
I think he'll be playing next season and I think he was
injured for a couple of months as well. I see him making a
big push for 6 next season. A good player.

Holland is much more of the back row who can cover lock
than Ryan will ever be. Problem is he's nowhere near the
lock Ryan is. I actually think he's a really useful guy to
have around, if he was the level of our reserves when we're
missing a lot of players then I'd be pretty comfortable with
that as a squad level.



On the subject of Ryan being "mobile" people need to learn
not to confuse mobile for a lock (which he certainly is) with
a back row. Genuine back rows are a fair bit quicker off
the mark (one of the biggest differences) and more
dynamic in their play than he is. I really have issues with
Munster's policy of trying to play locks in the back row, as
a rule it 1) doesn't work out all that well and 2) blocks the
development of the back rows we have. Ryan should have
come through by now and hasn't, simply put he's lost
several key years due to being #4 lock at Munster. Having
said that, he has his best chance yet of becoming #2
behind POC this year - the issue is going to be fitting
together in the lineout.

9th-June-2011, 18:43
Ryan is more mobile than most
second rows.


Ireland has plenty of mobile second rows, what is
missing is the big enforcer type second row to compliment
the mobile athletic guys.





Who are these mobile 2nd rows? We dont have many
like richie grey and courtney lawes who are very mobile
2nd rows, I wouldnt be calling toner, cullen, POC, DOC,
MOD very mobile. Tuohy would be the closest to DR as a
mobile 2nd row capable of playing back row.


Nagle and dave foley are still light for 2nd rows,
according to munsterrugby.ie they both are only 15
1/2*stone(from*munsterrugby so probably not that
accurate)*but if they can keep any of their pace esp foley
we will have 2 very good mobile effective 2nd rows


POC is very mobile.

What do people think they mean by mobile? They're all
fecking mobile or they'd be playing wheelchair rugby!!!!!

If you mean quick around the park then POC isn't. He's not
a fat lump waddling half a yard behind play all the time but
he's nothing special pace wise and to be fair I don't think
he's ever really tried to be. He's also not dynamic, which if
we're discussing locks who can play back row is far more
important. He doesn't have that explosion of pace across
short distances that guys like Wally or Coughlan have. Or
for that matter players like McLaughlin or Heaslip or Ferris.

In fact before anyone makes any more comments about
mobile locks take a look at the size of Stephen Ferris and
his pace, athleticism and dynamism and think about what
you're actually looking at with the average lock.

dropkick
9th-June-2011, 19:10
POC is very mobile.

What do people think they mean by mobile? They're all
fecking mobile or they'd be playing wheelchair rugby!!!!!

If you mean quick around the park then POC isn't. He's
not
a fat lump waddling half a yard behind play all the time but
he's nothing special pace wise and to be fair I don't think
he's ever really tried to be. He's also not dynamic, which if
we're discussing locks who can play back row is far more
important. He doesn't have that explosion of pace across
short distances that guys like Wally or Coughlan have. Or
for that matter players like McLaughlin or Heaslip or Ferris.

In fact before anyone makes any more comments about
mobile locks take a look at the size of Stephen Ferris and
his pace, athleticism and dynamism and think about what
you're actually looking at with the average lock.

Mobile is about movement. For me being mobile means
somebody can cover alot of ground. Take POC and Chabal
as examples. Chabal is a much better ball carrier than POC
but POC is more mobile because he does alot more work
around the pitch and covers more ground.

The Blackness
9th-June-2011, 19:44
POC is very mobile.

What do people think they mean by mobile? They're all
fecking mobile or they'd be playing wheelchair rugby!!!!!

If you mean quick around the park then POC isn't. He's
not
a fat lump waddling half a yard behind play all the time but
he's nothing special pace wise and to be fair I don't think
he's ever really tried to be. He's also not dynamic, which if
we're discussing locks who can play back row is far more
important. He doesn't have that explosion of pace across
short distances that guys like Wally or Coughlan have. Or
for that matter players like McLaughlin or Heaslip or Ferris.

In fact before anyone makes any more comments about
mobile locks take a look at the size of Stephen Ferris and
his pace, athleticism and dynamism and think about what
you're actually looking at with the average lock.

Mobile is about movement. For me being mobile means
somebody can cover alot of ground. Take POC and Chabal
as examples. Chabal is a much better ball carrier than POC
but POC is more mobile because he does alot more work
around the pitch and covers more ground.

Exactly, when I said mobile it would probably be more
correct to say athletic rather than a big lump that
pulverizes rucks and scrums.

The Outlaw
9th-June-2011, 19:49
Slighly heavier than 17*stone is
enough, look at*courtney lawes who*is around 18 stone and
as others have mentioned Donnacha*is quite*mobile and
aggressive


We can all thank Pat Whelan for the day donnacha
walked into Nenagh Ormond looking to train over the
winter to try improve his chances on making the tipp minor
hurlers and Pat, the Rugby God that he is, saw straight
away that donnacha had the talent and helped fast track
him into munster youths set up. Pat also got him into
munchins where he helped them win a senior cup


Nagle seriously depowers the scrum when he packs down.

Donncha Ryan has arguably wasted a 50 cap international
career sitting on the bench for Munster in my view.

Ja Boetie
9th-June-2011, 23:06
Slighly heavier than 17stone is
enough, look atcourtney lawes whois around 18 stone and
as others have mentioned Donnachais quitemobile and
aggressive



We can all thank Pat Whelan for the day donnacha
walked into Nenagh Ormond looking to train over the
winter to try improve his chances on making the tipp minor
hurlers and Pat, the Rugby God that he is, saw straight
away that donnacha had the talent and helped fast track
him into munster youths set up. Pat also got him into
munchins where he helped them win a senior cup





Nagle seriously depowers the scrum when he packs down.

Donncha Ryan has arguably wasted a 50 cap international
career sitting on the bench for Munster in my view.




Hmmm. It is seriously arguable.


There is no guarantee that he'd have made the International impact you are suggesting.


Would he play regularly for Leinster? No guarantee. He'd be in much the same position there as he is here, IMHO, unless he made the move prior to Hines' arrival.


For Ulster? Yes...but their lack of exposure to the knockout stages of the Heineken Cup, inconsistency in the ML over the last four or five years might have gone against him.


He would play regularly for Connacht, but there are very few Weshties in the Ireland team - certainly not regulars in the 23 over a four/five year period - enough to gain anywhere near the amount of caps that you're talking about.


Playing in the GP? Ask Bob Casey how that works out for your international chances. Regardless of whether he was good enough or not, there are, again, very few Irish players playing in the GP who regularly feature internationally


A move to the T14 would have been a massive gamble - even then Trevor Brennan's prominence for Tolouse won him no favours. Unfortunately he came to prominence at a time when Munster's star was on the wane and when established players were blocking his path.

ormond lad
9th-June-2011, 23:30
Slighly heavier than 17stone is
enough, look atcourtney lawes whois around 18 stone and
as others have mentioned Donnachais quitemobile and
aggressive

We can all thank Pat Whelan for the day donnacha
walked into Nenagh Ormond looking to train over the
winter to try improve his chances on making the tipp minor
hurlers and Pat, the Rugby God that he is, saw straight
away that donnacha had the talent and helped fast track
him into munster youths set up. Pat also got him into
munchins where he helped them win a senior cup




Nagle seriously depowers the scrum when he packs down.

Donnacha Ryan has arguably wasted a 50 cap international
career sitting on the bench for Munster in my view.




Hmmm. It is seriously arguable.


There is no guarantee that he'd have made the International impact you are suggesting.

Would he play regularly for Leinster? No guarantee. He'd be in much the same position there as he is here, IMHO, unless he made the move prior to Hines' arrival.

For Ulster? Yes...but their lack of exposure to the knockout stages of the Heineken Cup, inconsistency in the ML over the last four or five years might have gone against him.


He would play regularly for Connacht, but there are very few Weshties in the Ireland team - certainly not regulars in the 23 over a four/five year period - enough to gain anywhere near the amount of caps that you're talking about.


Playing in the GP? Ask Bob Casey how that works out for your international chances. Regardless of whether he was good enough or not, there are, again, very few Irish players playing in the GP who regularly feature internationally


A move to the T14 would have been a massive gamble - even then Trevor Brennan's prominence for Tolouse won him no favours. Unfortunately he came to prominence at a time when Munster's star was on the wane and when established players were blocking his path.





Ja Boetie maybe not 50 caps but if donncha had played the last few years at another club and he would start in 2nd row at most clubs in europe, he would have a lot more than 7 caps. He would be well into double figures. You say bob casey, different position but playing in the premiership did the likes of geordan murphy no harm in relation to playing for ireland. Donncha biggest problem is that he had 3 top class players in front of him nevermind 2 so has had to fight extremaly hard just to get a bench spot


If donncha had been playing week in week out over the last few years he would have much more caps as hes such agreat athlete, veryfast for a guy 6'7 and is verystrong

jeepers
10th-June-2011, 07:27
D. Ryan was very unlucky to get injured in the 6ns last year,
as with POC out for most of last year, he would have had a
great opportunity for both Munster & Ireland.

The best chance of getting international recognition over the
next few years though, is to be playing regularly with POC, so
maybe he was right to stick around Munster.

ArabianBrush
10th-June-2011, 11:09
POC for all his ability goes to ground way too easily! He didnt
against London Irish when we had backs to the wall. Shame
he doesnt do that more often IMHO.

ormond lad
21st-September-2011, 11:59
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/world-cup/irish-news/ryan-can-be-the-new-oconnell-smal-2882539.html

Ryan can be the new O'Connell -- Smal
Wednesday September 21 2011
DONNACHA RYAN has done remarkably well to make Ireland's World Cup squad considering he has been moved around between flanker and second-row over the past few seasons and has struggled to get a regular run of games with Munster, due to the province's strength in both positions.

The Nenagh man looks certain to start this weekend against Russia, probably in the second-row, and will be happy to hear the words of Ireland forwards coach Gert Smal, who believes he has the ability to be the long-term replacement for the totemic Paul O'Connell.
"I think he is," said Smal yesterday. "We have to put confidence in him. He doesn't maybe have the experience yet because of Paul and Mick O'Driscoll, but he is well capable of doing so.
He is a very clever boy and if your mindset is right, the results will come."

tmunster
21st-September-2011, 12:33
good stuff Gert, and what about Tony Buckley!?

epaddy
21st-September-2011, 12:34
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/world-cup/irish-news/ryan-can-be-the-new-oconnell-smal-2882539.html

Ryan can be the new O'Connell -- Smal
Wednesday September 21 2011
DONNACHA RYAN has done remarkably well to make Ireland's World Cup squad considering he has been moved around between flanker and second-row over the past few seasons and has struggled to get a regular run of games with Munster, due to the province's strength in both positions.

The Nenagh man looks certain to start this weekend against Russia, probably in the second-row, and will be happy to hear the words of Ireland forwards coach Gert Smal, who believes he has the ability to be the long-term replacement for the totemic Paul O'Connell.
"I think he is," said Smal yesterday. "We have to put confidence in him. He doesn't maybe have the experience yet because of Paul and Mick O'Driscoll, but he is well capable of doing so.
He is a very clever boy and if your mindset is right, the results will come."

Kiss of death, wasnt Buckley goign to be the best tighthead in the world. Ryan is in his late twenties, his ship has sailed.

masterchief
21st-September-2011, 12:45
Ian Nagle is the future.

isola ciarrai
21st-September-2011, 17:10
Ian Nagle is the future.
Not unless he toughens/bulks up - he took quite a physical battering, down twice, in the 'friendly' V Irish. Strictly Rabo/Celtic this season.

Paddy Whac
21st-September-2011, 17:24
Not unless he toughens/bulks up - he took quite a physical battering, down twice, in the 'friendly' V Irish. Strictly Rabo/Celtic this season.

Did you miss the word "future"?

the plastic paddy
21st-September-2011, 17:31
Well it looks like the answer to my initial question has been given, DR's future is in the second row, especially with POMs promotion. Hope he goes well against the Russians on Sunday; all the squad players will have plenty to prove and as unIrish as it would be I hope they bully the hell out of the Ruskies and rack up a cricket score.

Kevy-Wevz
22nd-September-2011, 10:54
I don't think DR's ship has sailed just yet but at that age he'd want to be getting some serious international gametime soon