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Bullman
26th-May-2011, 15:07
I will be disgusted if this guy get a World Cup slot & just thought I'd check out other peoples opinions on the matter.smileys/wink.gif

The Word Is Born
26th-May-2011, 15:22
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Dirge
26th-May-2011, 15:23
you must be some player yourselfsmileys/lol.gif

JoeyFantastic
26th-May-2011, 15:39
People give out about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like
MOD and Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace
is the biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He
only covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf.

the plastic paddy
26th-May-2011, 16:04
People give out about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like
MOD and Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace
is the biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He
only covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf. +1

Bullman
26th-May-2011, 16:17
People give out about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like
MOD and Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace
is the biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He
only covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf. +1


+1 Well said.

26th-May-2011, 16:29
People give out about Kidney's
blindspots in keeping guys like
MOD and Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace
is the biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He
only covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf.

not really, he's another guy he worked with in the past and
has a soft spot for

Bluedave
26th-May-2011, 17:11
2009 versus wales, remember???

tickettout
26th-May-2011, 17:16
I went for the not really/very averageoption.


Lots of Ulster fans I know don't rate him aswell.

Upfront_1979
26th-May-2011, 17:41
good player, thought he made our midfield tick when he played instead of Darcy. Unfortunately not in fantastic form this season and far too easily injured. McFadden is head and shoulders above him now and deserves a RWC spot on form and because he covers more positions and is a goal kicker.

manofmunster
26th-May-2011, 17:49
good player, thought he made our midfield tick when he played instead of Darcy. Unfortunately not in fantastic form this season and far too easily injured. McFadden is head and shoulders above him now and deserves a RWC spot on form and because he covers more positions and is a goal kicker.


Yup - it'd be a travesty if PW got a spot at the expense of McFadden.

Upfront_1979
26th-May-2011, 17:51
A good game on Saturday could be McFaddens chancesmileys/smile.gif

Pixie
27th-May-2011, 08:06
2009 versus wales, remember???






That's the stuff nightmares are made of. Ugh thankfully Stephen Jones's nerves lost out.

Hugonaut
27th-May-2011, 08:25
Paddy Wallace has played well for Ireland in the not too distant past - very decent, confident performances against both the Maori and Australia in the June 2010 summer tour.

I do think that Kidney has an overly cautious/misguided attitude towards his bench selection, and that he's overly loyal to Wallace. We absolutely don't</span> need more outhalf cover on the bench with one of ROG or Sexton there. That's crazy stuff.

McFadden took him to the cleaners in the recent league game [not the semi-final] in the RDS, and gives both cover from 11-14 and </span>impact off the bench. Not a bad place-kicker either.

Dowlinz
27th-May-2011, 08:58
He was considered our starting centre up to 2009 under Kidney, and it took some strong performances from D'arcy to dislodge him. You can see his logic in why hes still around the squad, a pure utility player.

I don't personally have a problem with him on the plane in this capacity though I don't want to see him in the matchday squad for big games if its avoidable. If you don't bring paddy wallace whos the 3rd outhalf, mcfadden? I really would trust him in that position even less than wallace.

Cecil
27th-May-2011, 09:10
People give out about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like
MOD and Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace
is the biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He
only covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf.


He is a good squad player but on current form not good enough to be in the match day squad. Would prefer to see Downey on the bench.

Dowlinz
27th-May-2011, 09:18
People give out about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like
MOD and Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace
is the biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He
only covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf.


He is a good squad player but on current form not good enough to be in the match day squad. Would prefer to see Downey on the bench.

Would agree.

pancake
27th-May-2011, 09:53
He is kept in the frame as an inside centre option because he can do something that Gordan D'arcy struggles to do: take and give an accurate pass on the run.

offshorerules
27th-May-2011, 09:56
[QUOTE=JoeyFantastic]People give out about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like
MOD and Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace
is the biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He
only covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf. +1


+1 Well said.





+1 Pointless is the word that comes to mind when I think of Paddy Wallace.

blackadder II
27th-May-2011, 11:03
A few things to say here.


1) Paddy Wallace is a good rugby player, he brings something to the inside centre berth that D'Arcy, McFadden or Downey doesn't. To say he is pointless is in itself pointless and wrong.


2) Paddy Wallace hasn't been ingreat form this season and Fergus McFadden has been very good, on form McFadden should be in the WC squad ahead of him.


3) The idea that Wallaceshould go as third choice out half iswrong anywayIMO. If either Sexton or ROG get injured simplay replace them with Ian Humphreys who is a far better out half than Paddy.


So put another way he isn't half as bad as some make out here but no he shouldn't go to the WC.

offshorerules
27th-May-2011, 11:07
1. Paddy wallace is not a good rugby player he is dire.


2. Paddy Wallace hasn't been in good form for the last 6 seasons, so nothing new this year.


3. Ian Humphreys is possibly even worse than Wallace and definitely worse defensively than ROG which is saying something.


So like him as a player this discussion is, pointless.

Big-al
27th-May-2011, 11:16
People give out
about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like MOD and
Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace is the
biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He only
covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf.


He is a good squad player but on current form not good
enough to be in the match day squad.* Would prefer to see
Downey on the bench.

Was this the same James Downey who Paddy Wallace totally
outclassed in the Hcup Quarter finals?

Hugonaut
27th-May-2011, 11:20
People give out

about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like MOD and

Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace is the

biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He only

covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a

replacement fullback and outhalf.



He is a good squad player but on current form not good

enough to be in the match day squad. Would prefer to see

Downey on the bench.



Was this the same James Downey who Paddy Wallace totally

outclassed in the Hcup Quarter finals?

I think it's actually the James Downey that covers exactly one position.

bomahony
27th-May-2011, 11:23
Paddy Wallace's head must be made of cheese. I dont think ive ever seen him finish an Irish match without a bandage on his head.

g-macca
27th-May-2011, 11:25
good
player, thought he made our midfield tick when he played
instead of Darcy. Unfortunately not in fantastic form this
season and far too easily injured. McFadden is head and
shoulders above him now and deserves a RWC spot on
form and because he covers more positions and is a goal
kicker.


Yup - it'd be a travesty if PW got a spot at the expense
of McFadden.

I'm in complete agreement for McFadden is just simply a
better player and can actually make a difference in games whereas PW is anonymous when it comes to big games.
McFadden can play in either centre position as well as on
the wing and he's a handy place kicker in case of an
emergency. I think that the aggression he shows in the
tackle and with the ball in hand make him twice the player
PW ever was, is or can be. Can anyone remember PW
having a good game ever. I'd bring O'Malley and Cave
ahead of.

END OF RANT

Talking Sense
27th-May-2011, 11:50
I went for the not really/very
average*option.


Lots of Ulster fans I know don't rate him aswell.


*

Haha what an idiotic post.

blackadder II
27th-May-2011, 12:20
1. Paddy wallace is not a good rugby player he is dire.


2. Paddy Wallace hasn't been in good form for the last 6 seasons, so nothing new this year.


3. Ian Humphreys is possibly even worse than Wallace and definitely worse defensively than ROG which is saying something.


So like him as a player this discussion is, pointless.





1. Utter bull***t


2. Utter bull***t


3. How many times have you seen Humphreys play?

g-macca
27th-May-2011, 12:30
1. Paddy wallace is not a good rugby player he is dire.



2. Paddy Wallace hasn't been in good form for the last 6
seasons, so nothing new this year.


3. Ian Humphreys is possibly even worse than Wallace
and definitely worse defensively than ROG which is saying
something.


So like him as a player this discussion is, pointless.





1. Utter bull***t


2. Utter bull***t


3. How many times have you seen Humphreys play?


Get your own Fubbing fan site! Ulster have plenty of good
players Wallace and Humphreys just arent two of em!

P.S. Tell Gilroy to stop coming in off his wing he's leaking
tries

blackadder II
27th-May-2011, 12:32
1. Paddy wallace is not a good rugby player he is dire.




2. Paddy Wallace hasn't been in good form for the last 6
seasons, so nothing new this year.



3. Ian Humphreys is possibly even worse than Wallace
and definitely worse defensively than ROG which is saying
something.



So like him as a player this discussion is, pointless.







1. Utter bull***t



2. Utter bull***t



3. How many times have you seen Humphreys play?





<S&#079;NG>Get your own Fubbing fan site!</S&#079;NG> Ulster have plenty of good
players Wallace and Humphreys just arent two of em!

P.S. Tell Gilroy to stop coming in off his wing he's leaking
tries


What? Is this site for Munster fans only?

jeepers
27th-May-2011, 14:15
1. Paddy wallace is not a good rugby player he is dire.




2. Paddy Wallace hasn't been in good form for the last 6
seasons, so nothing new this year.



3. Ian Humphreys is possibly even worse than Wallace
and definitely worse defensively than ROG which is saying
something.



So like him as a player this discussion is, pointless.







1. Utter bull***t



2. Utter bull***t



3. How many times have you seen Humphreys play?





<s&#079;ng>Get your own Fubbing fan site!</s&#079;ng> Ulster have plenty of good
players Wallace and Humphreys just arent two of em!

P.S. Tell Gilroy to stop coming in off his wing he's leaking
tries


What? Is this site for Munster fans only?

If it was, at least one of those 2 posters wouldn't be here smileys/biggrin.gif

On the query about Paddy Wallace ever having a good game - I thought he had a pretty good game against the ABs down there - think he scored a try as well.

BPH1
27th-May-2011, 16:50
Topics like this always make me laugh as to how poor some
alleged rugby fans' knowledge of the game is.

Paddy is a very good club player (carried an awful Ulster in
08/09) and was deservedly first choice Irish inside-centre in
our GS year, until the last 2 games.

He was alarmingly out of form this season and - as such -
should be nowhere near the Ireland matchday 22.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a WUM or needs to re-
evaulate how much they actually know about rugby

mr chips
27th-May-2011, 16:55
Humphries is a vastly improved player this season and one of the key components of Ulster's improved results over the past year.

BourkeofDublin
27th-May-2011, 17:03
Topics like this always make me laugh as
to how poor some
alleged rugby fans' knowledge of the game is.

Paddy is a very good club player (carried an awful Ulster in
08/09) and was deservedly first choice Irish inside-centre
in
our GS year, until the last 2 games.

He was alarmingly out of form this season and - as such -
should be nowhere near the Ireland matchday 22.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a WUM or needs to re-
evaulate how much they actually know about
rugby
He actually is solid at times. Somehow, when playing for
Ulster, manages to stay on the feet when being tackled and
open up space for team mates, yet when he plays for
Ireland, he seems a bit average and is prone to brain farts
i.e. Against Wales in the grand slam year, and this year
against (I think it was France) when he butchered a try
scoring opportunity for Earls at a crucial point in the game.

slipper1
27th-May-2011, 19:09
There are so many players that have overtaken Paddy at this stage, i'd be surprised if he goes to the RWC. Having said that D'arcy has been off-form for nearly 2 years. Kidney should realise by now, it's all about the form players if you want to win.

onthe 22
27th-May-2011, 19:47
Tell the truth I'm pretty disappointed at what has been said
here about Wallace.

Big-al
27th-May-2011, 20:12
onthe 22 - It's always the same idiots though

mr chips
27th-May-2011, 20:24
I think Paddy is a good 12, with an excellent passing game as someone else has mentioned. Never really thought he was anything more than a "break glass in case of emergency" option for the 10 shirt though. Think it's fair to say that this past season hasn't been his best - if he doesn't go to NZ it'll be interesting to see if he keeps his place in the Ulster squad ahead of the likes of Spence/Whitten.

i_like_cake
27th-May-2011, 21:21
People give out

about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like MOD and

Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace is the

biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He only

covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a

replacement fullback and outhalf.



He is a good squad player but on current form not good

enough to be in the match day squad. Would prefer to see

Downey on the bench.



Was this the same James Downey who Paddy Wallace totally

outclassed in the Hcup Quarter finals?


onthe 22 - It's always the same idiots though

yes, I can tell you are a little upset about the comments, Big-al.... so out of curiosity, where do you see Wallace in the pecking order...

and indeed, the rest of our Northern brethern....

where would you ideally put Wallace, Darcy, McFadden, Downey, ... (have we no more 12's..??) in the great scheme of things...

better to construct than deconstruct... helps the website...

unless we are talking about Ryan Tubridy....

blackadder II
27th-May-2011, 21:55
People give out
about Kidney's blindspots in keeping guys like MOD and
Leamy around the squads but surely Paddy Wallace is the
biggest, least explainable of Kidney's blindspots. He only
covers one position, despite seemingly being seen as a
replacement fullback and outhalf.



He is a good squad player but on current form not good
enough to be in the match day squad. Would prefer to see
Downey on the bench.




Was this the same James Downey who Paddy Wallace totally
outclassed in the Hcup Quarter finals?


onthe 22 - It's always the same idiots though

yes, I can tell you are a little upset about the comments, Big-al.... so out of curiosity, where do you see Wallace in the pecking order...

and indeed, the rest of our Northern brethern....

where would you ideally put Wallace, Darcy, McFadden, Downey, ... (have we no more 12's..??) in the great scheme of things...

better to construct than deconstruct... helps the website...

unless we are talking about Ryan Tubridy....



Quite a lot of Ulster fans, possibly most, would agree that McFadden should go ahead of Wallace, the thing that gets me, and I dare say the rest of the Ulster folk here is some of the guff that's een posted here. Wallace is not a dire player, not even close.


As for the pecking order above.


IMO it goes


1) D'Arcy, 2) McFadden, 3) Wallace, 4) Downey


Edit - I see that almost 70% of Munsterfans posters think that Wallace is "nowhere near good enough". Fair enough, Rugby is a game of opinions...but in this case they're all wrong...smileys/smile.gif

i_like_cake
27th-May-2011, 22:00
Agreed B2.... I am not the biggest fan of Downey either... but he seems to have soe fans..

Wallace has some great instincts... quck hands and knows when to kick...
and i agree with your order...

Red Hand Hero
27th-May-2011, 22:02
Good player, slightly off-form and approaching the twilight of his career would be how I'd assess Wallace. One thing that should (and probably does) stand to him is that he offers a style of play that none of the other 12's do and thats the ability to pass accurately at pace. I thought he was desperately unlucky to lose the 12 jersey during the Slam season, he still has that ability to bring in wide players that Dorse and McFadden don't.

I'd say unfortunately for him he could struggle to get to the RWC. BOD is the cap'n, Dorse is for whatever reason still highly regarded by Kidney and McFadden has been quite simply fantastic this season for Leinster. He was pretty average for Ireland though. Add to that the ability of both Earls and Bowe to play in the midfield and you'd question the reasons for his inclusion. Kidney, however, could well bring him because of the perception of him being able to play 10, something I hope never to see at international level.

Dowlinz
27th-May-2011, 23:04
It doesn't really matter about pecking order between Wallace, Downey and McFadden though does it. Wallace is trusted to cover outhalf, the other two aren't. We won't travel without 3 outhalves and taking Humphreys + Downey/McFadden is eating up an extra spot.

If BOD or Darce were injured on tour I don't think Wallace would be next in line, I think Earls, Fitz or Bowe would be with a reshuffle in the back 3. Wallace is there for cover and I'm fine with him in that capacity, I just don't want to see him on the bench.

Bullman
28th-May-2011, 11:31
The reason I started this poll was becausea while back IWatched an interview with Stephen Ferris &amp; he described Paddy Wallace as the most skillful Rugby player he had ever played with, Now this coming from a Guy who was a B &amp; ILion &amp; has played with or against the best players in the World.


I started thinking that maybeI was missing something &amp; maybe he was a much better player than I gave him credit for, Hence the reason for this poll. Under no circumstances would I ever insult a player by calling him Dire or lazy or anything along those lines as we all know he would not have made it as a proffesional Rugby player if he was either of those.


The options I gave on the poll were I believe Very fair compared to some in the past asI gave 2 posotive options &amp; 1 slightly neutral option &amp; the other 2 were slightly negative without being insulting in any way.I for one am not a bigfan butmaybe he is as good a player as some people on here claim him to be, If he is and he is selected for theWorld cup squad thenI hope he displays his better side so we can do some damage at this world cupsmileys/wink.gif

Lomasney
28th-May-2011, 11:34
COME ON MUNSTER

Mule
28th-May-2011, 12:27
I was hoping for an "ULSTER SAYS NO!" option, and on the
other side, "THE MAN FROM DEL MONTE, HE SAY, YEEEES!"

mtcmolloy
3rd-June-2011, 13:26
Humphries is a vastly improved player this season and one of the key components of Ulster's improved results over the past year.


Is it not an accepted fact that his defence is, in fact,worse than that of RJR O'Gara, and that this would deem him unselectable for Ireland even in a friendly match against the Scottish women's team?

Paulie Walnuts
3rd-June-2011, 15:39
The Humphries brothers must have inherited their tacking abilities from old Mrs. Humphries. Or maybe just the attitude to tackling of their mother; hide, run away, avoid at all costs. For all the criticism of a lightly-built player like ROG getting run over by men 5 or 6 stone heavier than him, he never shirks the tackle. As for Wallace, not good enough as a third choice outhalf, not good enough as fifth/sixth choice centre, not good enough as a 'second five-eight'....not good enough.

kahalui
3rd-June-2011, 16:14
It doesn't really matter about pecking order between Wallace, Downey and McFadden though does it. Wallace is trusted to cover outhalf, the other two aren't. We won't travel without 3 outhalves and taking Humphreys + Downey/McFadden is eating up an extra spot.

If BOD or Darce were injured on tour I don't think Wallace would be next in line, I think Earls, Fitz or Bowe would be with a reshuffle in the back 3. Wallace is there for cover and I'm fine with him in that capacity, I just don't want to see him on the bench.



PWcanteven be trustedat 10 for Ulster..

mr chips
4th-June-2011, 08:36
I think people like to knock players like iHump &amp; ROG for their relatively poor defending, and use this as an excuse to damn them from any squad. ROG has definitely been less of a speed-bump over the past season, and while Humphreys clearly isn't at the same level, where he really has an advantage over Paddy Wallace at 10 is his game-management - he has a real ability to see where the gaps are and put his team-mates into excellent attacking positions. I believe he has also improved somewhat as a defender over the same period, in that he has made one or two tackles stick. smileys/wink.gif Can't see him ever being part of an impenetrable defensive system but it's not that common that fly-halves are, in fairness.

hooke
4th-June-2011, 11:18
The logic for having wallace cover 10 is long gone - its the same stupid logic that has Court in supposedly covering TH/LH. Like the Bull, kidney will need a brain transplant before he chnages his innately conservative selection policy so MOD,Hayes, Horan, Fla, Court, PW, Leamy, R Kearny will all be in the squad at RWC despite all living off past good perfromances but poor current form or past it/never had it or like FLA no rugby and injured fro almost entire season.

blackadder II
4th-June-2011, 12:48
The logic for having wallace cover 10 is long gone -


I think the logic for Wallace being in the 30 man squad remains as strong as ever, however he shouldn't be in the matchday 22 as he was in the 6Ns. I've reconsidered this recently, previously I thought his form dictated that he shouldn't go, however the fact remains if either ROG or Sexton gets a dead leg putting them out for a week or twobut not the whole tournament we will need out half cover on the bench, and whether Wallace is a brillant out half or not is completely irrelevant there is absolutely nobody else in the squad who can cover 10.


Remember once a playeris replaced in the squad he can't come back in. I'm actually moresure than ever that Wallace will go to the WC.

Moll Mason
4th-June-2011, 14:25
The logic for having wallace cover 10 is long gone -


I think the logic for Wallace being in the 30 man squad remains as strong as ever, however he shouldn't be in the matchday 22 as he was in the 6Ns. I've reconsidered this recently, previously I thought his form dictated that he shouldn't go, however the fact remains if either ROG or Sexton gets a dead leg putting them out for a week or twobut not the whole tournament we will need out half cover on the bench, and whether Wallace is a brillant out half or not is completely irrelevant there is absolutely nobody else in the squad who can cover 10.


Remember once a playeris replaced in the squad he can't come back in. I'm actually moresure than ever that Wallace will go to the WC.

Moll Mason
4th-June-2011, 14:41
Paddy shoud be nowhere near the WC squad.


He is not up to international standard. Hi is to light for an IC, TO slow for an OC and as a Fly Half is a back rows dream. I would have anybody at 10 apart from him including the Bull on one leg


If we have ambitions of competing with the big boys,we must leave our little boys at home.Although lookimg at the US V Saxons at the moment, my local team would give the USA a good game

hooke
6th-June-2011, 12:26
The logic for having wallace cover 10 is long gone -


I think the logic for Wallace being in the 30 man squad remains as strong as ever, however he shouldn't be in the matchday 22 as he was in the 6Ns. I've reconsidered this recently, previously I thought his form dictated that he shouldn't go, however the fact remains if either ROG or Sexton gets a dead leg putting them out for a week or twobut not the whole tournament we will need out half cover on the bench, and whether Wallace is a brillant out half or not is completely irrelevant there is absolutely nobody else in the squad who can cover 10.


Remember once a playeris replaced in the squad he can't come back in. I'm actually moresure than ever that Wallace will go to the WC.





PW cant play 10 either last time was tried at Ulster he played Pants...you are right he'll go, but not becasue he should but becasue Kidney would still be playing Hayes at 3 and Buckley on Bench had injury not intervened.

blackadder II
6th-June-2011, 13:08
The logic for having wallace cover 10 is long gone -


I think the logic for Wallace being in the 30 man squad remains as strong as ever, however he shouldn't be in the matchday 22 as he was in the 6Ns. I've reconsidered this recently, previously I thought his form dictated that he shouldn't go, however the fact remains if either ROG or Sexton gets a dead leg putting them out for a week or twobut not the whole tournament we will need out half cover on the bench, and whether Wallace is a brillant out half or not is completely irrelevant there is absolutely nobody else in the squad who can cover 10.


Remember once a playeris replaced in the squad he can't come back in. I'm actually moresure than ever that Wallace will go to the WC.





PW cant play 10 either last time was tried at Ulster he played Pants...you are right he'll go, but not becasue he should but becasue Kidney would still be playing Hayes at 3 and Buckley on Bench had injury not intervened.





The thing is thoughhe's better at out half than anyone else in the squad bar ROG and Sexton while being able to play12 and (in Deccie's eyes anyway...) cover 15.


I agree that he won't be a form pick (though he won't be the only one I'm sure), rather he'll be a pragmatic pick.

kahalui
6th-June-2011, 13:27
PW isnt an intl quality 12 anymore, and he's not a utility player either.
Talk of him being used at 10/15 is madness. Surely having
Humphries/Keatley on standby would be the option if Rog/Sexton took
a serious knock. I know they're not ideal replacements but at least
they're OHs.

blackadder II
6th-June-2011, 13:39
PW isnt an intl quality 12 anymore, and he's not a utility player either.
Talk of him being used at 10/15 is madness. Surely having
Humphries/Keatley on standby would be the option if Rog/Sexton took
a serious knock. I know they're not ideal replacements but at least
they're OHs.



But the point is that if you replace Sexton or ROG with Humphreys then whoever he replaces is gone for good. However if Sexton or ROG get a dead leg then you don't want them being replaced for good, but you still need out half cover on the bench in case the last 10 standing gets injured 5 mins into a match. You need to have a third player in the squad who is capable of playing out half. If it was a form pick you'd take McFadden (might still go anyway) over him, in fact you'd probably take Spence and Downey over him as well, but as I said above he's a pragmatic choice rather than a form choice.


Whether you think Wallace is a good 10 or not is irrelavent, he's better than anyone else outside ROG/Sexton in the Irish squad and if you argue that point then you're just on a wind up mission.

kahalui
6th-June-2011, 14:17
PW isnt an intl quality 12
anymore, and he's not a utility player either. Talk of him being used
at 10/15 is madness. Surely having Humphries/Keatley on standby
would be the option if Rog/Sexton took a serious knock. I know
they're not ideal replacements but at least they're OHs.



But the point is that if you replace Sexton or ROG with Humphreys
then whoever he replaces is gone for good. However if Sexton or
ROG get a dead leg then you don't want them being replaced for
good, but you still need out half cover on the bench in case the last
10 standing gets injured 5 mins into a match. You need to have a
third player in the squad who is capable of playing out half. If it was a
form pick you'd take McFadden (might still go anyway) over him, in
fact you'd probably take Spence and Downey over him as well, but as
I said above he's a pragmatic choice rather than a form choice.


Whether you think Wallace is a good 10 or not is irrelavent, he's
better than anyone else outside ROG/Sexton in the Irish squad and if
you argue that point then you're just on a wind up
mission.
Thats why i refered to the injury as 'serious'.. ie being out for the
rest of the tournament.

the plastic paddy
6th-June-2011, 16:37
The logic for having wallace cover 10 is long gone -


I think the logic for Wallace being in the 30 man squad remains as strong as ever, however he shouldn't be in the matchday 22 as he was in the 6Ns. I've reconsidered this recently, previously I thought his form dictated that he shouldn't go, however the fact remains if either ROG or Sexton gets a dead leg putting them out for a week or twobut not the whole tournament we will need out half cover on the bench, and whether Wallace is a brillant out half or not is completely irrelevant there is absolutely nobody else in the squad who can cover 10.


Remember once a playeris replaced in the squad he can't come back in. I'm actually moresure than ever that Wallace will go to the WC. Fair enough, understand what you are saying but was there not talk of Conor murray having played OH? Could he cover the bench against the Ruskies? Seems crazy to be taking a place in the squad to cover a fairly unlikely scenario and deny a place to the next best 12 in Ireland, McFadden, Spence whoever. I don't know just a question.

blackadder II
6th-June-2011, 18:19
The logic for having wallace cover 10 is long gone -


I think the logic for Wallace being in the 30 man squad remains as strong as ever, however he shouldn't be in the matchday 22 as he was in the 6Ns. I've reconsidered this recently, previously I thought his form dictated that he shouldn't go, however the fact remains if either ROG or Sexton gets a dead leg putting them out for a week or twobut not the whole tournament we will need out half cover on the bench, and whether Wallace is a brillant out half or not is completely irrelevant there is absolutely nobody else in the squad who can cover 10.


Remember once a playeris replaced in the squad he can't come back in. I'm actually moresure than ever that Wallace will go to the WC.


Fair enough, understand what you are saying but was there not talk of Conor murray having played OH? Could he cover the bench against the Ruskies? Seems crazy to be taking a place in the squad to cover a fairly unlikely scenario and deny a place to the next best 12 in Ireland, McFadden, Spence whoever. I don't know just a question.


Murray may have played 10 at U20 level IIRC. It would be a bit of an ask to get him to cover 10 given he's uncapped even at scrum half and at this stage unlikely to go to the WC anyway.We might get away withBOD or maybe Kearneyas out half cover against Russia but not against Italy or Australia.


How many people here would seriously want Conor Murray at out half 10 minutes into a WC group match against Australia?

Jackie Brown
8th-June-2011, 05:45
I will be disgusted if this guy get a World Cup slot &amp; just thought I'd check out other peoples opinions on the matter.smileys/wink.gif





I will be disgusted if you ever manage to pass your genes on. smileys/lol.gif

NotreDameRFC
8th-June-2011, 14:16
Jackie id prefer to bring Nevin Spence than Paddy....