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The Outlaw
18th-February-2011, 22:11
ngland lock Tom Palmer believes France will be fired up to
win their crunch Six Nations clash because England are
seen as the "big boys" of world rugby.
France defence coach Dave Ellis said his players are more
motivated against their cross-channel rivals than others.
"Everyone hates the English. Everyone raises their game
when we come up against them," said Palmer.
"England are essentially the biggest union in the world and
it's always good to beat the big boys, isn't it?"
Palmer, who plays his club rugby with Stade Francais in
Paris, said he took opponents' attitude as "a compliment",
and that it comes with the territory of playing for England.

I think we've got guys who can hurt the French
Tom Palmer
"It is the same when we go to Cardiff, Dublin, Edinburgh,
even the Australians and Kiwis don't like us!
"That's just the way it is really, it's all part of our colonial
history and our empire."
England and France will face each other next Saturday, 26
February, as the only two undefeated sides in the
tournament, knowing the winner has a real chance of going
on to win the Grand Slam.
England, chasing a first Championship title and clean sweep
since 2003, have impressed in opening wins over Wales
and Italy, while France have beaten Scotland at home and
won in Dublin.
"It will be a tough challenge," acknowledged Palmer, one of
England's star turns so far. "They will try and dominate you
up front, in the line-out and in the mauls and they are very
dangerous off turnover ball.

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England forwards coach John Wells described Palmer as
"near enough the complete forward for the modern age"
"We have to match them and impose ourselves in the
forward game and not give them any opportunities to
counter-attack, so no sloppy passes, no turnovers, no poor
kicks. That is where they are so dangerous.
"I think we've got guys who can hurt the French. Look at
the way James Haskell played in the second half against
Italy, with all those carries.
"If he can bring some of that into the French game, he will
cause some problems."
England could make changes to their starting side with prop
Andrew Sheridan - a late withdrawal before the Italy game
- likely to return providing he proves his fitness for club
side Sale this weekend.
Captain Lewis Moody could also be in contention if he
proves his fitness for Bath in their Premiership match
against Northampton, while Leicester flanker Tom Croft is
also poised to return three months out.

Consumer
19th-February-2011, 00:20
France have been playing crap and this is England's chance to see how good they really are. It's all very well knocking 50+ points past Italy. But they hammered Australia last year and went straight back to being crap, what makes them think it'll be different this time?
They're trying to intimidate the French and get a bit of confidence going I suppose.

lactose intolerant
19th-February-2011, 00:42
well he got one part right, we do all hate the c*ntssmileys/biggrin.gif

Duffman
19th-February-2011, 07:32
England are good again, christ I hate the bstrds

kermit
19th-February-2011, 07:35
Did you write all that yourself? If not, please edit & provide a link to the source.

sewa
19th-February-2011, 07:36
I don't see anything delusional in that article. Any chance you'd change the thread title

19th-February-2011, 08:18
I don't see anything delusional in that article. Any chance you'd change the thread title
+1.
There is no room for 'English rugby' and 'style' in the same thread.

Red October
19th-February-2011, 10:06
I'm not comfortable with any mention of the phrase 'Self
Delusion' on this site in relation to any side other than our
own.

There's my bit of 'honesty' for today. I am not proud of it
BTW.

As for passion - by God we're a long way from that emotion
these past two years.

rathbaner
19th-February-2011, 10:08
We should all shout for England now.

We want</span> them one game short of a grand Slam, puffed up and cocky, when they come to Dublin in march and with Martin Johnson at the helm.

B R I N G I T O N smileys/cool.gif

ECSquared
21st-February-2011, 08:32
They will beat France, and then we'll beat them toremind ushow badly we f*cked up against the French

Cowboy
21st-February-2011, 08:35
Lining us up for a fall with a thread title like that no?

John123
21st-February-2011, 09:00
I for one LOVE the thread title Outlaw.

onthe 22
26th-February-2011, 18:21
That wasn't bad at all from the English.

Mebawsa Ritchie
26th-February-2011, 18:26
Outlaw in yet another "done it in my pants" shocker smileys/lol.gif

sewa
26th-February-2011, 18:30
But sure he has changed yet again

ustix
26th-February-2011, 18:36
Outlaw in yet another "done it in my pants" shocker smileys/lol.gif

Would ye mind leaving Outlaw's pants out of it, in fairness?

26th-February-2011, 18:46
I'm just waiting to hear all the people who kept saying France
let us get close, couldn't be bothered to get out of first gear
etc say the same things about them losing to England - I won't
hold my breath cos that only ever applies to us doesn't it smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

Consumer
26th-February-2011, 19:06
I'm just waiting to hear all the people who kept saying France

let us get close, couldn't be bothered to get out of first gear

etc say the same things about them losing to England - I won't

hold my breath cos that only ever applies to us doesn't it smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif

I don't think England have improved, I just think the likes of France and Ireland have completely collapsed. England will win the 6 nations but if they played New Zealand tomorrow they'd be destroyed. Big fish in a small pond, just like we were when we were doing well.

Cowboy
26th-February-2011, 19:08
They strangled France, they buckled them in areas they
could and took their chances. I would be very worried
about our chances if the red rose rolls in sniffing a slam,
they're hard to beat in this guise and have 4 great
halfbacks to control a game. Their defence is very very
hard, they wrap men up and double team at the
breakdown (Clancy let a lot go on the deck I felt). The
French scrum was the better of the two but when the
chips were down a couple of times England clued in and
worked as a unit to get out of jail. It might not be pretty
but it's winning.

The Outlaw
26th-February-2011, 22:47
But sure he has changed yet again


coming from the cooler and his resident sidekick that is the
pot calling the kettle black. Lets face it Sewa if you backed
Fine Gael prior to this election you can be guaranteed Cowen
would still be in power after it.

treatycity1
27th-February-2011, 01:50
I was impressed by them at the ruck,despite a couple of stupid errors their counter rucking was savage, saying that the bounce of the ball and a few handling errors by the french cost them the game. two tries went went begging because of their failure to be clinical when it was needed.

Lets get past scotland and take each game individually. England are on a high, confidence is up, 3 wins under their belt and that is worth money in the bank to any team.

Mebawsa Ritchie
27th-February-2011, 06:26
But sure he has changed yet again





coming from the cooler and his resident sidekick that is the

pot calling the kettle black. Lets face it Sewa if you backed

Fine Gael prior to this election you can be guaranteed Cowen

would still be in power after it.

Fudge, misdirect etc.

We've seen it all before from Outlaw the bluffer!smileys/lol.gif

Mcork
27th-February-2011, 06:30
France's defence much improved on Irish &amp; scottish performance. However bar Italy, no team is playing more sterile rugby than France currently in world rugby. They are playing risk free defensive rugby - they have a combined total of 3 try scoring chances in their last 2 matches with 1 converted. Interesting as most NH coaches are talking about a need to play open expansive rugby, they are moving in the absolutely opposite direction. They have the defence and penalty kickers to eek out wins against mediocre sides like Ireland. Think it would fall badly short against any of the 3 SH sides playing that way IMO.

On England, Jes, Youngs &amp; Flood looked flustered during that match and both had mare's really. The jury is still out there. If We could get a run of form and somehow improve our handling, we could make it a very uncomfortable last game of the 6n's.

sewa
27th-February-2011, 07:22
But sure he has changed yet again





coming from the cooler and his resident sidekick that is the
pot calling the kettle black. Lets face it Sewa if you backed
Fine Gael prior to this election you can be guaranteed Cowen
would still be in power after it.

Fudge, misdirect etc.

We've seen it all before from Outlaw the bluffer!smileys/lol.gif



The resurgence of this England side was clear in the AI series but some "experts" knew better. I wonder how much Jhonno is on smileys/wink.gif

27th-February-2011, 07:28
France's defence much improved on Irish
& scottish performance. However bar Italy, no team is
playing more sterile rugby than France currently in world
rugby. They are playing risk free defensive rugby - they
have a combined total of 3 try scoring chances in their last
2 matches with 1 converted. Interesting as most NH
coaches are talking about a need to play open expansive
rugby, they are moving in the absolutely opposite direction.
They have the defence and penalty kickers to eek out wins
against mediocre sides like Ireland. Think it would fall
badly short against any of the 3 SH sides playing that way
IMO.On England, Jes, Youngs & Flood looked flustered
during that match and both had mare's really. The jury is
still out there. If We could get a run of form and somehow
improve our handling, we could make it a very
uncomfortable last game of the 6n's.


I do wonder if the French thinking is to spend this time
developing the aspects of the game that are alien to their
natural style, knowing full well they can turn on the flair
any time. Any other side I'd say you can't just do that but
this is the French, they could still score from behind their
own posts against anyone if the mood took them. I wonder
if they're going to roll up to the WC a much more rounded
team than anyone thinks. Also, if I was them, having won
GSs at will and (in spite of what the English will try to
claim) dominated the tournament for decades, I'd be
concentrating on being right for the WC. It's the one thing
they haven't won despite playing in 2 finals.

As for England, this side could possibly be the worst ever to
win a GS. As someone has already said, I think it's how
s**te the rest of us are that's helping here.

GO'C
27th-February-2011, 09:56
I find their pomp incredible, yesterdays gamewaslabelled as the "GRAND SLAM DECIDER".


It's hugely presumptious to dimiss the Scotland and Ireland games with such ease.

Mebawsa Ritchie
27th-February-2011, 10:06
I find their pomp incredible, yesterdays gamewaslabelled as the "GRAND SLAM DECIDER".


It's hugely presumptious to dimiss the Scotland and Ireland games with such ease.




I guess with Ireland and Scotland having been beaten already in the championship, and with England and France unbeaten to that point, the title wasn't entirely misleading.

p.s. I agree they get rapidly ahead of themselves and don a veneer of invincibility. That's why it's so deeply satisfying to turn them over.

lawrence
27th-February-2011, 10:21
I find their pomp incredible, yesterdays gamewaslabelled as the "GRAND SLAM DECIDER".


It's hugely presumptious to dimiss the Scotland and Ireland games with such ease.




I guess with Ireland and Scotland having been beaten already in the championship, and with England and France unbeaten to that point, the title wasn't entirely misleading.

p.s. I agree they get rapidly ahead of themselves and don a veneer of invincibility. That's why it's so deeply satisfying to turn them over.


we wont turn them over with an italy like performance.

their confidence helps in getting the bounce of the ball that they need, if it wasnt for spot on reffering they might have won by 14 more points,

their defence didnt let france get a try, and in attack they were close to getting more scores,

they are coming to dublin on the back of beating the best NH team, even with a great performance void of errors today we will wonder on the day are we good enough, in fairness its annoying but they use overconfidence very well.

ustix
27th-February-2011, 10:34
Let them have it, so to speak.

lactose intolerant
27th-February-2011, 10:45
if we keep going the way we have benn.....we could absolutely demoralise them, and how sweet it would besmileys/cool.gif

The Outlaw
27th-February-2011, 11:00
if we keep going the way we
have benn.....we could absolutely demoralise them, and
how sweet it would be*smileys/cool.gif


I think what was shown yesterday is that when you put
pressure on them you can get at- Flood and Youngs. But
the backup is Care and Wilkinson who are excellent
players.

England won that game at the breakdown. They physically
outmuscled France which we couldnt do. Time and again
they drove over the ruck and won the ball. They deserved
their win.

27th-February-2011, 11:09
to be equally fair on this, but for an unlucky bounce and a
couple of almost stuck passes France could have won that by
10+ points as well. Also they rode their luck amazingly on
knock ons and handling in the ruck that didn't get seen. Put it
this way, France could have won that game and that's playing
badly. This championship is going to be decided on the least
bad team not the best.

The Outlaw
27th-February-2011, 11:14
to be equally fair on this, but for an
unlucky bounce and a
couple of almost stuck passes France could have won that by
10+ points as well. Also they rode their luck amazingly on
knock ons and handling in the ruck that didn't get seen. Put it
this way, France could have won that game and that's playing
badly. This championship is going to be decided on the least
bad team not the best.

Standard is disappointing though. The rugby in the Super 15
would blow your mind in comparison. Only England of the NH
teams will make an impact in the WC on current form.